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Sufferedphoneix
09/26/23 11:30:08 PM
#100:


GranTurismo posted...
the huge homes can get many times more than the expensive cars. But, like a private jet.......

I'd settle for a comfortable life on a piece of land big enough I ain't gotta deal with neighbors

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Villain_S_Fiend
09/26/23 11:30:15 PM
#101:


pegusus123456 posted...
Bruh, fuck you.
Yeah, I get encouraging smart financial decisions, but that shit smells like "stay in your lane, pretender".

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DragonClaw01
09/26/23 11:40:53 PM
#102:


Bubble_Gum posted...
They say it's actually smarter to take the lump sum and invest right away, otherwise you have all that money that isn't accruing interest. Of course the majority of people DON'T do this and don't plan well and end up broke again.
Agreed. Tax efficiency is irrelevant with the sums that they are paying out, since it all is mostly going to be in the upper brackets rather than the lower no matter what payment scheme you choose and if anything you may save money on taxes on lump sum given that taxes have a way of raising over time. Plus they don't pay you interest, so your money gets eaten alive via inflation if you choose payments, whereas you could have it in a relative safe investment and at least keep the value of your fortune under lump sum. Also the opportunity costs are massive for not choosing lump sum. The lotto does a terrible job of incentivizing payments, lump sum everytime

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KazGT6
09/26/23 11:42:00 PM
#103:


DragonClaw01 posted...
Agreed. Tax efficiency is irrelevant with the sums that they are paying out, since it all is mostly going to be in the upper brackets rather than the lower no matter what payment scheme you choose and if anything you may save money on taxes on lump sum given that taxes have a way of raising over time. Plus they don't pay you interest, so your money gets eaten alive via inflation if you choose payments, whereas you could have it in a relative safe investment and at least keep the value of your fortune under lump sum. Also the opportunity costs are massive for not choosing lump sum. The lotto does a terrible job of incentivizing payments, lump sum everytime
I really can't remember any powerball winner taking the annuity
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MyMainAccount
09/26/23 11:42:58 PM
#104:


I would, but then I've only payed Powerball a handful of times when everyone at work decide to go in on it together.

Honestly it's probably for the best we didn't win those, woof, imagine the drama.

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DragonClaw01
09/26/23 11:46:57 PM
#106:


KazGT6 posted...
I really can't remember any powerball winner taking the annuity
No one does. The annuity is just there for people with absolutely no impulse control, but these are the same people that would never take the annuity in the first place, so it is hard to think it is for.

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Damn_Underscore
09/26/23 11:48:14 PM
#107:


BlueTigerLion posted...
Financial advisers typically recommend that winners collect their large lottery payouts though annual payments, rather than the lump sump Mr Castro sprung for.

wat

Youre supposed to take the lump sum and invest most of it

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Robot2600
09/26/23 11:50:44 PM
#108:


he has more money than jk rowling.

he can afford 3 houses.

jfc yall think about it for 2 seconds instead of just believing the article.

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kingdrake2
09/26/23 11:52:46 PM
#109:


Robot2600 posted...
he can afford 3 houses


he can have many houses... it's those yearly housing taxes that get us.

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littlebro07
09/26/23 11:54:31 PM
#110:


kingdrake2 posted...
he can have many houses... it's those yearly housing taxes that get us.


Yeah, sucks that even after paying off my mortgage Ill still be on the hook for around 1k a month on taxes and insurance.

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gu-gohan
09/26/23 11:58:16 PM
#111:


Raiden2909 posted...
Sigh.. I mean i can kinda understand the desire. but if i somehow lucked out and won that much money i would buy a slightly bigger house, Pay off my families debts, then invest 90% of whats left over, I wouldnt feel the need to live an extravagant lifestyle (Honestly.. i just prefer a nice quiet life)
Same.

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Trumble
09/27/23 12:52:52 AM
#112:


I mean, if I had a big win, I'd sure as fuck waste some of it on dumb stuff. Maybe like 20% or so.

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MabusIncarnate
09/27/23 12:58:35 AM
#113:


Zelduh posted...
If you have a billion dollars why not, at least he didn't waste it on buying Twitter
Because he basically spent a tenth of it already lol. He's on pace to be bankrupt and lose everything before 2030.

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FolkenRawr
09/27/23 12:59:38 AM
#114:


Trumble posted...
I mean, if I had a big win, I'd sure as fuck waste some of it on dumb stuff. Maybe like 20% or so.


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KitKats
09/27/23 1:10:44 AM
#115:


The lump sum value is the value of the jackpot, and the annuity prize they advertise is an estimate of how much the jackpot would be worth if they invested it for you. Thats why when interest rates went down, so did the difference between the two values.

The annuity payments are also structured to pay out annually with the smallest payment first and the largest payment last, with each year increasing by about 20%. So you wouldnt even see most of your money for the first few decades.

It depends on the person but usually its better to take the lump sum to invest yourself, and playing your cards right it should or can grow to a higher value otherwise.

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Inohira
09/27/23 1:26:17 AM
#116:


There's no way he fucks up 1.6 bil tho, right?

The guys going broke usually only won 7 or 8 figure amounts. 1.6 bil is more than you can reasonably spend even if you buy all the most expensive luxuries you know about.

Damn_Underscore posted...


wat

Youre supposed to take the lump sum and invest most of it

Financial planners know most winners aren't doing that shit lol. Playing lotto is already financially irresponsible, so the expectation is that the winners will continue spending recklessly. In that case it's best for the payment to be distributed annually, preventing them from blowing it all at once.

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ai123
09/27/23 1:59:41 AM
#117:


I didn't realize lottery winnings were taxed in the US.

I'm sure this guy will be fine.

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GranTurismo
09/27/23 2:00:56 AM
#118:


ai123 posted...
I didn't realize lottery winnings were taxed in the US.

I'm sure this guy will be fine.
aren't they taxed everywhere? They might be most heavily taxed in the u.s. Like 40 perc.
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EyeWontBeFooled
09/27/23 2:04:11 AM
#119:


GranTurismo posted...
aren't they taxed everywhere? They might be most heavily taxed in the u.s. Like 40 perc.
Not in Canada :3

https://piggybank.ca/taxes/lottery-winnings-tax-canada

Granted, we lose our shit if the jackpot goes to 70 million CDN, but it is nice that the taxman cant touch your take home unless you make income on the earnings.


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Karovorak
09/27/23 2:07:06 AM
#120:


First of all: Don't confuse the AUD figures with the USD ones.

Edwin Castro, 31, scooped up $3.2 billion ($US2.04 billion) in a California lottery last year and became an overnight billionaire, adding $1.6 billion ($US997.6 million) to his account after coming forward to collect the lump sum payment.

Next: It went down from 2.04 billion USD to 1 billion USD just like that, so I'm pretty sure at least the 1 billion is already the cold hard cash after tax.

And then he bought a 25 million USD mansion, another 4 million one and a "vintage Porsche 911".

That's not a 100 million superyacht no one has an actual use for, that's not 100 luxury cars at once he will never drive at all.

Seriously, the stuff he buys doesn't sound crazy at all.

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pnut027
09/27/23 2:12:39 AM
#121:


Invested in those properties is a very liberal way to describe what he did.

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EyeWontBeFooled
09/27/23 2:13:26 AM
#122:


Karovorak posted...
First of all: Don't confuse the AUD figures with the USD ones.

Next: It went down from 2.04 billion USD to 1 billion USD just like that, so I'm pretty sure at least the 1 billion is already the cold hard cash after tax.

And then he bought a 25 million USD mansion, another 4 million one and a "vintage Porsche 911".

That's not a 100 million superyacht no one has an actual use for, that's not 100 luxury cars at once he will never drive at all.

Seriously, the stuff he buys doesn't sound crazy at all.

That's STILL such a huge amount of money left over. I would be paranoid of assassination, lol

It's happened.

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ai123
09/27/23 2:30:12 AM
#123:


GranTurismo posted...
aren't they taxed everywhere? They might be most heavily taxed in the u.s. Like 40 perc.
You don't pay any tax on lottery winnings in the UK or most of Europe.

Though any income from investing the winnings will be taxed, obviously.

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nexigrams
09/27/23 2:32:19 AM
#124:


Any "financial advisors" that recommend the annuity option are so clearly and obviously in bed with the lottery people that it should be a crime.

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variasuite
09/27/23 3:33:45 AM
#125:


pikakaeru posted...
Are people cheering for this guy to go broke?
Why not? He's a dumbass.

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SiO4
09/27/23 3:35:26 AM
#126:


Problem Gamblers always give the money back.

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Zithers
09/27/23 3:42:37 AM
#127:


god, it would be so hard for me to spend 73 million dollars.

i wouldnt even want a mansion much less three. especially in los angeles, which is a shit hole.

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Kloe_Rinz
09/27/23 3:44:41 AM
#128:


You know how on some fighting anime, slower characters are like oh my god hes so fast, I was fighting his afterimage this whole time?

that after image would be all whats left at my desk at work once I won the lottery
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variasuite
09/27/23 3:52:08 AM
#129:


Zithers posted...
god, it would be so hard for me to spend 73 million dollars.

i wouldnt even want a mansion much less three. especially in los angeles, which is a shit hole.
You need to staff houses of that size. Landscaping, pools, keeping it clean. It's not even an option when it comes to the area. This is fine for people who generate money, not so much for those who don't. Obviously, with that amount of money, it being a one-time thing would be perfectly fine. Bro ain't acting like that. Poor bastard's gonna find out the very hard way that buying things gives you dopamine hits, not actual satisfaction.

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09/27/23 4:01:57 AM
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Zithers
09/27/23 4:04:48 AM
#130:


variasuite posted...
You need to staff houses of that size. Landscaping, pools, keeping it clean. It's not even an option when it comes to the area. This is fine for people who generate money, not so much for those who don't. Obviously, with that amount of money, it being a one-time thing would be perfectly fine. Bro ain't acting like that. Poor bastard's gonna find out the very hard way that buying things gives you dopamine hits, not actual satisfaction.

i imagine he is giving them to his family or friends or something and he isnt actually keeping it all for himself. i dont even know if he can rent them given how expensive it'd be. maybe he can loan them out to movies/shows with good budgets?

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IceCreamOnStero
09/27/23 4:36:25 AM
#131:


nexigrams posted...
Any "financial advisors" that recommend the annuity option are so clearly and obviously in bed with the lottery people that it should be a crime.

Yeah tbh the annuinity option is basically just burning a bunch of that money for bo reason. I doubt the rest of their advice would be that good.

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Kim_Seong-a
09/27/23 4:45:12 AM
#132:


Villain_S_Fiend posted...
Yeah, I get encouraging smart financial decisions, but that shit smells like "stay in your lane, pretender".

Last I heard, lots (if not most) of big lottery winners go broke because they jump right into these extravagant lifestyles with no planning.

I assume they mean "don't quit your job, don't buy a mansion, right away." Get your shit in order and make sure the money is being properly managed before you make crazy life changes.

But then it is his money, fuck it.


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SomeGuyUO
09/27/23 5:08:54 AM
#133:


He can start a pro wrestling fed
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willythemailboy
09/27/23 6:15:22 AM
#134:


GranTurismo posted...
aren't they taxed everywhere? They might be most heavily taxed in the u.s. Like 40 perc.
Some states exempt lottery winnings from state income taxes or don't have state income taxes at all. Everyone has to pay federal, of course. Some states even have municipal income taxes tacked on to the state tax bill, but California isn't one of them. This guy's effective tax is going to be a bit over 51%.

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TonyKojima
09/27/23 6:18:00 AM
#135:


thronedfire2 posted...
he got 1.6 billion after taxes. that's all his

but he's going to be paying a ton of taxes on these properties. maybe he's planning on renting them out
People that rich don't rent.

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ClayGuida
09/27/23 6:37:13 AM
#136:


Kim_Seong-a posted...
Last I heard, lots (if not most) of big lottery winners go broke because they jump right into these extravagant lifestyles with no planning.

I assume they mean "don't quit your job, don't buy a mansion, right away." Get your shit in order and make sure the money is being properly managed before you make crazy life changes.

But then it is his money, fuck it.
They go broke because they won a million dollars and think they won a billion.

This guy won a billion and is investing in property.

People acting like the value of a 75m mansion will somehow evaporate and cease to exist are fooling themselves. For all we know that house could be worth 100m in the next decade.

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Tora_Sami
09/27/23 6:42:17 AM
#137:


If I won a billion dollars take home this is my plan

50% goes into an account that will accrue interest for me monthly, that's what I'm gonna live

20% is gonna go to churches and charities. My way of paying GOD back from not tithing.

The. I would buy all of my family members houses, they have to pay the taxes but I'll buy them the house so they don't have mortgages. I'll put some aside to pay for any medical bills my family may have in the future, pay off everyone's debts, set up the younger family members with a college plan and pay for their education. Keep myself at least $10 million for play money. Yeah my whole family would be set for life and I would have to never work again.

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Philip027
09/27/23 6:47:04 AM
#138:


He would need to have spent a lot more of what he won in order to be in any conceivable danger of running out in his lifetime. Don't know what people are freaking out over.

It's only natural for people with a sudden enormous financial windfall to want to splurge with it a bit.

But financial planners have criticised Mr Castros lavish spending, classing the three homes as well as a vintage Porsche 911 hes been seen driving to and from the bank as terrible purchases. Financial advisers typically recommend that winners collect their large lottery payouts though annual payments, rather than the lump sump Mr Castro sprung for. Financial advisers also recommend that lottery winners or anyone else coming into a large amount of wealth consult with a financial planner, tax lawyer or other expert to create a plan, according to Fortune. Dont make any visible life changes. Dont quit your job, dont go out and buy a Ferrari, dont buy a mansion, Emily Irwin, managing director of advice and planning at Wells Fargos investing and wealth management division, told the publication. Maybe you have student loans you want to pay off, that makes sense. But try to avoid that mega-purchase.

All I got out of this is that "financial advisers" are a bunch of boring sticks in the mud.
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Karovorak
09/27/23 6:52:10 AM
#140:


Sansoldier posted...
Why does this matter? It's pennies compared to his total net worth now. The property is also likely to stagnate or appreciate in value anyways.

It's obivious.

The guy just went and quit his job and spent some money on a house.

That's terrible!

He should just ignore this huge shit of money. It's way too much for him. The best thing to do, is to give all of the billion dollars to the trustworthy and selfless finacial advisors.

They will handle it with great care, invest it in the very best investments totally unrelated to them, and will probably give you some allowence if you ask them nicely.

And they only ask for just a tiny bit of some percentage of that cake.

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Raikuro
09/27/23 7:03:29 AM
#141:


Even just 600M sitting in savings doing nothing generates over 2M every MONTH. Even after taxes having that huge of a win is like winning another lottery every month for life. Even if he "blows" 99% of his final lump sum win he still is set for life.
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Axiom
09/27/23 7:04:31 AM
#142:


I hope he burns one down just for fun
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Sufferedphoneix
09/27/23 7:35:38 AM
#143:


TonyKojima posted...
People that rich don't rent.


Think he means rent it out to others. Make it a fair bit cheaper than what a monthly payment would be and you probably could find a suckered that thinks it would make them look richer than theybare

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FLAMING_EVIL_HOMER
09/27/23 7:37:26 AM
#144:


I dont understand how people win this money and just try to find ways of making even more money lol.

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Sufferedphoneix
09/27/23 7:39:32 AM
#145:


FLAMING_EVIL_HOMER posted...
I dont understand how people win this money and just try to find ways of making even more money lol.

Cause they want that extravagant life style but know they'd just blow through it if they pursue it.

I'd invest some but just to have backup money incase shit happens

Biggest problem I'd have spending too much money is I become very free with my money if I got enough like someone comes begging for money with some probably bullshit story like they need gas to get home ill give it to them.

Or like at work sometimes they collect money for a CO worker who say his or hers significant other is bad off in the hospital. Or some other things where they just wanna do something nice for said co worker.

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Error1355
09/27/23 7:41:00 AM
#146:


BlueTigerLion posted...
As a reminder, though the home is clearly extravagant, it only cost 2.5 per cent of Mr Castros total lottery winnings.

He will be just fine.

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FLAMING_EVIL_HOMER
09/27/23 7:57:11 AM
#147:


I guess for other lottery winners who dont win as much, i can see the concern wanting to invest the money to stay rich.
But as far this guys winning, like others said just keeping it in a savings account nets a million or whatever.

I wouldnt buy mansions like this guy except maybe one in a location i consider home. I would probably buy nice apartments different locations i would consider vacationing or letting my family use for vacations in NYC, LA, Phillipines, etc.
All after i give my close family members a million to leave me alone
Not into cars so i would just buy a newer Honda that has the extra bells and whistles.

Just chill and take a vacation maybe once a month ir every other month. First class flights though since i can afford it now lol

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GranTurismo
09/27/23 8:10:30 AM
#148:


DragonClaw01 posted...
No one does. The annuity is just there for people with absolutely no impulse control, but these are the same people that would never take the annuity in the first place, so it is hard to think it is for.
Do most of you here believe that you would be able to spend 1 bil?
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Sufferedphoneix
09/27/23 8:12:56 AM
#149:


GranTurismo posted...
Do most of you here believe that you would be able to spend 1 bil?

It's not that hard if you have no impulse control and a desire for extravagant things or want status/clout. Or other stupid things

Like I could see some people on this site buying out a game company cause they are deluded enough to think they could run it better and get their dream games made. Like for example someone not happy with the direction final fantasy is going.

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bluezero
09/27/23 8:14:31 AM
#150:


BlueTigerLion posted...
Dont quit your job
Fuck that

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