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Malcrasternus 09/13/23 7:20:54 PM #101:	A temporary restraining order has been granted against the governor's open and concealed carry ban. --- 4/15/1951 - 3/18/2014 <cite>Malcrasternus posted [p:976045733] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>A temporary restraining order has been granted against the governor's open and concealed carry ban. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RuneterranSnap 09/13/23 7:33:08 PM #102:	Malcrasternus posted... A temporary restraining order has been granted against the governor's open and concealed carry ban. Which I hope she disregards. --- Joyrock/DSFlashlight/OctilIery <cite>RuneterranSnap posted [p:976045993] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>Malcrasternus posted... </cite><quote>A temporary restraining order has been granted against the governor's open and concealed carry ban.</quote>Which I hope she disregards. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darklit_Minuet 09/13/23 8:59:40 PM #103:	Malcrasternus posted... A temporary restraining order has been granted against the governor's open and concealed carry ban. Why are people so damn desperate to have murder cannons on them <cite>Darklit_Minuet posted [p:976047844] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>Malcrasternus posted... </cite><quote>A temporary restraining order has been granted against the governor's open and concealed carry ban.</quote>Why are people so damn desperate to have murder cannons on them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 09/13/23 9:00:09 PM #104:	Darklit_Minuet posted... Why are people so damn desperate to have murder cannons on them Muh freedumbs <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:976047858] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>Darklit_Minuet posted... </cite><quote>Why are people so damn desperate to have murder cannons on them</quote>Muh freedumbs</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Malcrasternus 09/13/23 9:39:56 PM #105:	Darklit_Minuet posted... Why are people so damn desperate to have murder cannons on them Completely missing the point why people are fighting against this. Imagine other established rights either on the state or national level being suspended/infringed under the guise of being a public health crisis. Letting this slide lets other scumbags think they can try it and test the waters with things they don't like in their state without consequence. Kloe_Rinz posted... Muh freedumbs Here's your daily allotment of attention. See you tomorrow, though hopefully not. --- 4/15/1951 - 3/18/2014 <cite>Malcrasternus posted [p:976048674] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>Darklit_Minuet posted... </cite><quote>Why are people so damn desperate to have murder cannons on them</quote>Completely missing the point why people are fighting against this. Imagine other established rights either on the state or national level being suspended/infringed under the guise of being a public health crisis. Letting this slide lets other scumbags think they can try it and test the waters with things they don't like in their state without consequence.Kloe_Rinz posted... </cite><quote>Muh freedumbs</quote>Here's your daily allotment of attention. See you tomorrow, though hopefully not. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 09/13/23 9:45:45 PM #106:	Malcrasternus posted... Completely missing the point why people are fighting against this. Imagine other established rights either on the state or national level being suspended/infringed under the guise of being a public health crisis. Letting this slide lets other scumbags think they can try it and test the waters with things they don't like in their state without consequence. you already don't really have freedom of speech. cowards like Trump and DeSantis throw people out for asking questions all the time --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:976048774] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>Malcrasternus posted... </cite><quote>Completely missing the point why people are fighting against this. Imagine other established rights either on the state or national level being suspended/infringed under the guise of being a public health crisis. Letting this slide lets other scumbags think they can try it and test the waters with things they don't like in their state without consequence.</quote>you already don't really have freedom of speech. cowards like Trump and DeSantis throw people out for asking questions all the time </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chaos_knight 09/13/23 9:46:01 PM #107:	Regardless of where you stand on the law, allowing something like this to remain would be incredibly dangerous. If you can suspend part of one amendment, what's to stop other governors from doing the same thing? Like red states suspending freedom of speech and such. --- Seattle Seahawks Super Bowl XLVIII Champions <cite>chaos_knight posted [p:976048777] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>Regardless of where you stand on the law, allowing something like this to remain would be incredibly dangerous. If you can suspend part of one amendment, what's to stop other governors from doing the same thing? Like red states suspending freedom of speech and such. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EnterTheTekken 09/13/23 9:46:07 PM #108:	Malcrasternus posted... Completely missing the point why people are fighting against this. Imagine other established rights either on the state or national level being suspended/infringed under the guise of being a public health crisis. Letting this slide lets other scumbags think they can try it and test the waters with things they don't like in their state without consequence. Exactly this. Imagine if governors of Alabama or Arkansas declared abortion a "public health crisis" and used similar tactics to suspend that right. And that's an even more difficult road to counteract because that actually involves health care & is not a clear Constitutional right. --- https://media.giphy.com/media/a3IWyhkEC0p32/giphy.gif <cite>EnterTheTekken posted [p:976048782] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>Malcrasternus posted... </cite><quote>Completely missing the point why people are fighting against this. Imagine other established rights either on the state or national level being suspended/infringed under the guise of being a public health crisis. Letting this slide lets other scumbags think they can try it and test the waters with things they don't like in their state without consequence.</quote> Exactly this. Imagine if governors of Alabama or Arkansas declared abortion a "public health crisis" and used similar tactics to suspend that right. And that's an even more difficult road to counteract because that actually involves health care & is not a clear Constitutional right. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 09/13/23 9:51:32 PM #109:	Malcrasternus posted... Completely missing the point why people are fighting against this. Imagine other established rights either on the state or national level being suspended/infringed under the guise of being a public health crisis. Letting this slide lets other scumbags think they can try it and test the waters with things they don't like in their state without consequence. Here's your daily allotment of attention. See you tomorrow, though hopefully not. Conservatives are the ones constantly on the ban train so yeah, tomorrow you probably wont be around here no more on this alt. <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:976048892] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>Malcrasternus posted... </cite><quote>Completely missing the point why people are fighting against this. Imagine other established rights either on the state or national level being suspended/infringed under the guise of being a public health crisis. Letting this slide lets other scumbags think they can try it and test the waters with things they don't like in their state without consequence.Here's your daily allotment of attention. See you tomorrow, though hopefully not.</quote>Conservatives are the ones constantly on the ban train so yeah, tomorrow you probably wont be around here no more on this alt. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gmanthebest 09/14/23 3:39:57 AM #110:	chaos_knight posted... Regardless of where you stand on the law, allowing something like this to remain would be incredibly dangerous. If you can suspend part of one amendment, what's to stop other governors from doing the same thing? Like red states suspending freedom of speech and such. This is what I don't get. People are actually happy the government is trying to take away constitutional rights. --- The large print giveth And the small print taketh away <cite>gmanthebest posted [p:976052868] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>chaos_knight posted... </cite><quote>Regardless of where you stand on the law, allowing something like this to remain would be incredibly dangerous. If you can suspend part of one amendment, what's to stop other governors from doing the same thing? Like red states suspending freedom of speech and such.</quote>This is what I don't get. People are actually happy the government is trying to take away constitutional rights. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Skankhair 09/14/23 4:01:42 AM #111:	Darklit_Minuet posted... Why are people so damn desperate to have murder cannons on them Because they are the worse trash humans ever to exist and we need to remove them from the gene pool in order to survive as a species. <cite>Skankhair posted [p:976052971] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>Darklit_Minuet posted... </cite><quote>Why are people so damn desperate to have murder cannons on them</quote>Because they are the worse trash humans ever to exist and we need to remove them from the gene pool in order to survive as a species.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
divot1338 09/14/23 4:11:59 AM #112:	gmanthebest posted... This is what I don't get. People are actually happy the government is trying to take away constitutional rights. Someone didnt read the Constitution. --- Moustache twirling villian https://i.imgur.com/U3lt3H4.jpg- Kerbey <cite>divot1338 posted [p:976053025] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>gmanthebest posted... </cite><quote>This is what I don't get. People are actually happy the government is trying to take away constitutional rights.</quote>Someone didnt read the Constitution. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ai123 09/14/23 4:23:09 AM #113:	Darklit_Minuet posted... Why are people so damn desperate to have murder cannons on them You never know when someone might refuse you service at a bar, drive a little too close on the highway, not have your pizza ready on time, argue with you about a dog, a hamburger, or a basketball game. Without the ability the murder them, you are at risk of losing face. --- You'll see motivational pictures about working hundred hour weeks/Well, it only applies to those who are operating at a really basic level <cite>ai123 posted [p:976053090] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>Darklit_Minuet posted... </cite><quote>Why are people so damn desperate to have murder cannons on them</quote>You never know when someone might refuse you service at a bar, drive a little too close on the highway, not have your pizza ready on time, argue with you about a dog, a hamburger, or a basketball game.Without the ability the murder them, you are at risk of losing face. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gmanthebest 09/14/23 5:15:11 AM #114:	divot1338 posted... Someone didnt read the Constitution. Yeah, the governor. Unless you're admitting to not knowing your own country's rights --- The large print giveth And the small print taketh away <cite>gmanthebest posted [p:976053374] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>divot1338 posted... </cite><quote>Someone didnt read the Constitution.</quote>Yeah, the governor. Unless you're admitting to not knowing your own country's rights </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 09/14/23 6:04:59 AM #115:	gmanthebest posted... This is what I don't get. People are actually happy the government is trying to take away constitutional rights. You "don't get" why people are happy steps are being taken towards reducing the quantity of mass shootings and school shootings? I don't get what chuds think the benefit of playing dumb is. <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:976053681] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>gmanthebest posted... </cite><quote>This is what I don't get. People are actually happy the government is trying to take away constitutional rights.</quote>You "don't get" why people are happy steps are being taken towards reducing the quantity of mass shootings and school shootings? I don't get what chuds think the benefit of playing dumb is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gmanthebest 09/14/23 6:32:18 AM #116:	Kloe_Rinz posted... You "don't get" why people are happy steps are being taken towards reducing the quantity of mass shootings and school shootings? I don't get what chuds think the benefit of playing dumb is. I'm ok with laws that make it harder to get guns. I'm not ok with a governor taking away constitutional rights under the guise of "public health order". It's less about the specific right and more about rights being taken away. Not sure what you think the benefit of playing dumb is --- The large print giveth And the small print taketh away <cite>gmanthebest posted [p:976053857] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>Kloe_Rinz posted... </cite><quote>You "don't get" why people are happy steps are being taken towards reducing the quantity of mass shootings and school shootings? I don't get what chuds think the benefit of playing dumb is.</quote>I'm ok with laws that make it harder to get guns. I'm not ok with a governor taking away constitutional rights under the guise of "public health order". It's less about the specific right and more about rights being taken away. Not sure what you think the benefit of playing dumb is </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chaos_knight 09/14/23 6:37:20 AM #117:	To make it clear how egregious this was, a Biden appointed judge was the one who immediately struck this down. --- Seattle Seahawks Super Bowl XLVIII Champions <cite>chaos_knight posted [p:976053893] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>To make it clear how egregious this was, a Biden appointed judge was the one who immediately struck this down. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 09/14/23 7:14:58 AM #118:	gmanthebest posted... I'm not ok with a governor taking away constitutional rights under the guise of "public health order". So you're not OK with the government trying to save lives? This is a yes/no question, I'm not instructing you to have a melty over this. <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:976054164] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>gmanthebest posted... </cite><quote>I'm not ok with a governor taking away constitutional rights under the guise of "public health order".</quote>So you're not OK with the government trying to save lives? This is a yes/no question, I'm not instructing you to have a melty over this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
majin_nemesis 09/14/23 7:19:39 AM #119:	Good although she should just ban guns all together <cite>majin_nemesis posted [p:976054205] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>Good although she should just ban guns all together </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Avirosb 09/14/23 7:24:37 AM #120:	gmanthebest posted... I'm ok with laws that make it harder to get guns. I'm not ok with a governor taking away constitutional rights under the guise of "public health order". It's less about the specific right and more about rights being taken away. Not sure what you think the benefit of playing dumb is It's so cute that people think they have rights in a land with no mandatory paid leave and no free travel. --- Really attractive in 144p <cite>Avirosb posted [p:976054245] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>gmanthebest posted... </cite><quote>I'm ok with laws that make it harder to get guns. I'm not ok with a governor taking away constitutional rights under the guise of "public health order". It's less about the specific right and more about rights being taken away. Not sure what you think the benefit of playing dumb is</quote>It's so cute that people think they have rights in a land with no mandatory paid leave and no free travel. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
divot1338 09/14/23 7:25:33 AM #121:	Kloe_Rinz posted... So you're not OK with the government trying to save lives? This is a yes/no question, I'm not instructing you to have a melty over this. They cant even list the text of the guaranteed right being abridged. --- Moustache twirling villian https://i.imgur.com/U3lt3H4.jpg- Kerbey <cite>divot1338 posted [p:976054249] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>Kloe_Rinz posted... </cite><quote>So you're not OK with the government trying to save lives? This is a yes/no question, I'm not instructing you to have a melty over this.</quote>They cant even list the text of the guaranteed right being abridged. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gmanthebest 09/14/23 7:26:24 AM #122:	Kloe_Rinz posted... So you're not OK with the government trying to save lives? This is a yes/no question, I'm not instructing you to have a melty over this. I am. I am not ok with doing it the wrong way, as the wrong way doesn't fix anything. Sorry if that's too difficult for you to unpack --- The large print giveth And the small print taketh away <cite>gmanthebest posted [p:976054257] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>Kloe_Rinz posted... </cite><quote>So you're not OK with the government trying to save lives? This is a yes/no question, I'm not instructing you to have a melty over this.</quote>I am. I am not ok with doing it the wrong way, as the wrong way doesn't fix anything. Sorry if that's too difficult for you to unpack </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Avirosb 09/14/23 7:28:20 AM #123:	Carrying guns around is the wrong way, the developed world has largely agreed on that. --- Really attractive in 144p <cite>Avirosb posted [p:976054276] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>Carrying guns around is the wrong way, the developed world has largely agreed on that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
majin_nemesis 09/14/23 7:34:14 AM #124:	Malcrasternus posted... Completely missing the point why people are fighting against this. Imagine other established rights either on the state or national level being suspended/infringed under the guise of being a public health crisis. Letting this slide lets other scumbags think they can try it and test the waters with things they don't like in their state without consequence. Here's your daily allotment of attention. See you tomorrow, though hopefully not. You are already losing rights but since they fall under the screw the libs umbrella you don't care but when this time it's something that needs to happen so people in the US especially kids stop being shot to death,you are all like wahhh my rights and this could open a precedent wahh This precedent needs to happen the gun culture in the US needs to go away,you guys need to detox from the drug that's guns <cite>majin_nemesis posted [p:976054344] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>Malcrasternus posted... </cite><quote>Completely missing the point why people are fighting against this. Imagine other established rights either on the state or national level being suspended/infringed under the guise of being a public health crisis. Letting this slide lets other scumbags think they can try it and test the waters with things they don't like in their state without consequence.Here's your daily allotment of attention. See you tomorrow, though hopefully not.</quote>You are already losing rights but since they fall under the screw the libs umbrella you don't care but when this time it's something that needs to happen so people in the US especially kids stop being shot to death,you are all like wahhh my rights and this could open a precedent wahh This precedent needs to happen the gun culture in the US needs to go away,you guys need to detox from the drug that's guns</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RuneterranSnap 09/14/23 8:34:31 AM #125:	chaos_knight posted... Regardless of where you stand on the law, allowing something like this to remain would be incredibly dangerous. If you can suspend part of one amendment, what's to stop other governors from doing the same thing? Like red states suspending freedom of speech and such. Conservatives are ignoring and violating the constitution all over the place. They've corrupted the Supreme Court and endangered the lives of millions. So yeah, I'm ok with a governor saying fuck the constitution and fixing what needs to be fixed. --- Joyrock/DSFlashlight/OctilIery <cite>RuneterranSnap posted [p:976054962] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>chaos_knight posted... </cite><quote>Regardless of where you stand on the law, allowing something like this to remain would be incredibly dangerous. If you can suspend part of one amendment, what's to stop other governors from doing the same thing? Like red states suspending freedom of speech and such.</quote>Conservatives are ignoring and violating the constitution all over the place. They've corrupted the Supreme Court and endangered the lives of millions. So yeah, I'm ok with a governor saying fuck the constitution and fixing what needs to be fixed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kloe_Rinz 09/14/23 8:36:15 AM #126:	gmanthebest posted... I am. I am not ok with doing it the wrong way Gun control isn't "the wrong way". Are you against gun control (yes/no)? If no, that contradicts what you said earlier about you being OK with the government working to save lives. I didn't ask for commentary/melties either. A simple yes/no will suffice. <cite>Kloe_Rinz posted [p:976054977] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>gmanthebest posted... </cite><quote>I am. I am not ok with doing it the wrong way</quote>Gun control isn't "the wrong way". Are you against gun control (yes/no)?If no, that contradicts what you said earlier about you being OK with the government working to save lives. I didn't ask for commentary/melties either. A simple yes/no will suffice. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DnDer 09/14/23 8:58:28 AM #127:	gmanthebest posted... I'm not ok with a governor taking away constitutional rights Has anyone conclusively proven that open carry is a constitutional right? I'm not questioning the right to own a gun (for the purpose of this specific reply), mind you, but the idea that it's a right to be visibly armed in public. --- What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 <cite>DnDer posted [p:976055203] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>gmanthebest posted... </cite><quote>I'm not ok with a governor taking away constitutional rights</quote>Has anyone conclusively proven that open carry is a constitutional right?I'm not questioning the right to own a gun (for the purpose of this specific reply), mind you, but the idea that it's a right to be visibly armed in public. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gmanthebest 09/14/23 9:06:43 AM #128:	DnDer posted... Has anyone conclusively proven that open carry is a constitutional right? I'm not questioning the right to own a gun (for the purpose of this specific reply), mind you, but the idea that it's a right to be visibly armed in public. "Bear arms" --- The large print giveth And the small print taketh away <cite>gmanthebest posted [p:976055306] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>DnDer posted... </cite><quote>Has anyone conclusively proven that open carry is a constitutional right?I'm not questioning the right to own a gun (for the purpose of this specific reply), mind you, but the idea that it's a right to be visibly armed in public.</quote>"Bear arms" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
divot1338 09/14/23 9:08:14 AM #129:	gmanthebest posted... "Bear arms" Yeah thats sort of what I thought. --- Moustache twirling villian https://i.imgur.com/U3lt3H4.jpg- Kerbey <cite>divot1338 posted [p:976055320] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>gmanthebest posted... </cite><quote>"Bear arms"</quote>Yeah thats sort of what I thought. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RuneterranSnap 09/14/23 9:11:23 AM #130:	gmanthebest posted... "Bear arms" Doesn't mean open carry is allowed, or even concealed carry. --- Joyrock/DSFlashlight/OctilIery <cite>RuneterranSnap posted [p:976055364] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>gmanthebest posted... </cite><quote>"Bear arms"</quote>Doesn't mean open carry is allowed, or even concealed carry. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gmanthebest 09/14/23 9:13:06 AM #131:	RuneterranSnap posted... Doesn't mean open carry is allowed, or even concealed carry. What does that mean to you? I'm just going off of the definition --- The large print giveth And the small print taketh away <cite>gmanthebest posted [p:976055391] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>RuneterranSnap posted... </cite><quote>Doesn't mean open carry is allowed, or even concealed carry.</quote>What does that mean to you? I'm just going off of the definition </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RuneterranSnap 09/14/23 9:15:54 AM #132:	gmanthebest posted... What does that mean to you? I'm just going off of the definition Given modern constitutional law? It means literally anything you argue it to mean. The constitution is incredibly ill defined and misinterpreted even by legal scholars. And even if those who wrote it meant for open and concealed carry to be allowed, they were wrong and should be disregarded. --- Joyrock/DSFlashlight/OctilIery <cite>RuneterranSnap posted [p:976055427] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>gmanthebest posted... </cite><quote>What does that mean to you? I'm just going off of the definition</quote>Given modern constitutional law? It means literally anything you argue it to mean. The constitution is incredibly ill defined and misinterpreted even by legal scholars.And even if those who wrote it meant for open and concealed carry to be allowed, they were wrong and should be disregarded. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ooger 09/14/23 9:25:41 AM #133:	Why can't i carry around a cruise missile? --- Dumpy Trumpy: Inmate No. P01135809 <cite>ooger posted [p:976055540] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>Why can't i carry around a cruise missile? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 09/14/23 9:34:04 AM #134:	gmanthebest posted... "Bear arms" Has that been the legal ruling? (Bear arms means open carry) Because it's not allowed in some states... <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:976055649] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>gmanthebest posted... </cite><quote>"Bear arms"</quote>Has that been the legal ruling? (Bear arms means open carry) Because it's not allowed in some states...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gremlynn 09/14/23 9:34:52 AM #135:	It's adorable how many people think they actually have a right to bear arms in America. --- "Now, was that civilized? No, clearly not. Fun, but in no sense civilized." <cite>Gremlynn posted [p:976055665] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>It's adorable how many people think they actually have a right to bear arms in America. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 09/14/23 9:35:04 AM #136:	Malcrasternus posted... Completely missing the point why people are fighting against this. Imagine other established rights either on the state or national level being suspended/infringed under the guise of being a public health crisis. Letting this slide lets other scumbags think they can try it and test the waters with things they don't like in their state without consequence. How have you concluded this is "under the guise of being a public health crisis"? <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:976055669] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>Malcrasternus posted... </cite><quote>Completely missing the point why people are fighting against this. Imagine other established rights either on the state or national level being suspended/infringed under the guise of being a public health crisis. Letting this slide lets other scumbags think they can try it and test the waters with things they don't like in their state without consequence.</quote>How have you concluded this is "under the guise of being a public health crisis"?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DnDer 09/14/23 10:07:12 AM #137:	gmanthebest posted... "Bear arms" That is not a universally recognized or accepted interpretation of the phrase. It is a minority usage of the phrase in historical documents, and Heller's majority was written with no eye or ear towards actual, historical context, otherwise Scalia would have been able to point to a half-dozen more references than his ass. Several states' constitutions had to specifically qualify that bear arms includes defense of the self and not the more commonly understood "in a military capacity only." https://firearmslaw.duke.edu/2021/07/legal-corpus-linguistics-and-the-meaning-of-bear-arms/#:~:text= [link break] These%20founding%2Dera%20sources%20used,of%20constitutional%20rights%20to%20arms. I don't see a good argument (just an argument) to think that "bear arms" means "getting to flash my piece around to scare the libs at Target." --- What has books ever teached us? -- Captain Afrohead Subject-verb agreement. -- t3h 0n3 <cite>DnDer posted [p:976056214] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>gmanthebest posted... </cite><quote>"Bear arms"</quote>That is not a universally recognized or accepted interpretation of the phrase. It is a minority usage of the phrase in historical documents, and Heller's majority was written with no eye or ear towards actual, historical context, otherwise Scalia would have been able to point to a half-dozen more references than his ass.Several states' constitutions had to specifically qualify that bear arms includes defense of the self and not the more commonly understood "in a military capacity only."https://firearmslaw.duke.edu/2021/07/legal-corpus-linguistics-and-the-meaning-of-bear-arms/#:~:text= [link break] These%20founding%2Dera%20sources%20used,of%20constitutional%20rights%20to%20arms.I don't see a good argument (just an argument) to think that "bear arms" means "getting to flash my piece around to scare the libs at Target." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gmanthebest 09/14/23 11:01:59 AM #138:	RuneterranSnap posted... Given modern constitutional law? It means literally anything you argue it to mean. The constitution is incredibly ill defined and misinterpreted even by legal scholars. And even if those who wrote it meant for open and concealed carry to be allowed, they were wrong and should be disregarded. I feel like it's pretty clear, considering the people who wrote it were just in a war with a tyrannical state militia. I'm fine if people want to change the law and amend the constitution. Law should be a living, breathing thing that can be changed. But it should be going through the proper channels to be changed. There needs to be buy-back programs planned in advance as well as clarity in how the laws will be implemented. Doing it this way will only get the people who say "They're coming for our guns" to change to "See, they're doing it now". Especially when asked if she thinks this will stop criminals from carrying, her answer is no. So in their eyes, it looks like all she's doing to trying to get guns away from law-abiding citizens. As an aside, I feel like it's worth noting that Albuquerque has one of the highest rates of fatal shootings by officers in the country. Some may find that good or bad in this situation, depending on which direction they lean. --- The large print giveth And the small print taketh away <cite>gmanthebest posted [p:976058385] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>RuneterranSnap posted... </cite><quote>Given modern constitutional law? It means literally anything you argue it to mean. The constitution is incredibly ill defined and misinterpreted even by legal scholars.And even if those who wrote it meant for open and concealed carry to be allowed, they were wrong and should be disregarded.</quote>I feel like it's pretty clear, considering the people who wrote it were just in a war with a tyrannical state militia. I'm fine if people want to change the law and amend the constitution. Law should be a living, breathing thing that can be changed. But it should be going through the proper channels to be changed. There needs to be buy-back programs planned in advance as well as clarity in how the laws will be implemented. Doing it this way will only get the people who say "They're coming for our guns" to change to "See, they're doing it now". Especially when asked if she thinks this will stop criminals from carrying, her answer is no. So in their eyes, it looks like all she's doing to trying to get guns away from law-abiding citizens. As an aside, I feel like it's worth noting that Albuquerque has one of the highest rates of fatal shootings by officers in the country. Some may find that good or bad in this situation, depending on which direction they lean. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 09/14/23 11:08:27 AM #139:	gmanthebest posted... "Bear arms" well regulated --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:976058643] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>gmanthebest posted... </cite><quote>"Bear arms"</quote>well regulated </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cocytus 09/14/23 11:10:14 AM #140:	gmanthebest posted... total overreach --- You're never ever fully dressed without a smile! <cite>Cocytus posted [p:976058712] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>gmanthebest posted... </cite><quote>total overreach</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 09/14/23 12:04:10 PM #141:	gmanthebest posted... I feel like it's pretty clear, considering the people who wrote it were just in a war with a tyrannical state militia. I'm fine if people want to change the law and amend the constitution. Law should be a living, breathing thing that can be changed. But it should be going through the proper channels to be changed. There needs to be buy-back programs planned in advance as well as clarity in how the laws will be implemented. Doing it this way will only get the people who say "They're coming for our guns" to change to "See, they're doing it now". Especially when asked if she thinks this will stop criminals from carrying, her answer is no. So in their eyes, it looks like all she's doing to trying to get guns away from law-abiding citizens. As an aside, I feel like it's worth noting that Albuquerque has one of the highest rates of fatal shootings by officers in the country. Some may find that good or bad in this situation, depending on which direction they lean. I might have misunderstood - are you saying you believe the constitution currently allows open carry? Or that federal law as written currently allows open carry? <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:976060257] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>gmanthebest posted... </cite><quote>I feel like it's pretty clear, considering the people who wrote it were just in a war with a tyrannical state militia. I'm fine if people want to change the law and amend the constitution. Law should be a living, breathing thing that can be changed. But it should be going through the proper channels to be changed. There needs to be buy-back programs planned in advance as well as clarity in how the laws will be implemented. Doing it this way will only get the people who say "They're coming for our guns" to change to "See, they're doing it now". Especially when asked if she thinks this will stop criminals from carrying, her answer is no. So in their eyes, it looks like all she's doing to trying to get guns away from law-abiding citizens. As an aside, I feel like it's worth noting that Albuquerque has one of the highest rates of fatal shootings by officers in the country. Some may find that good or bad in this situation, depending on which direction they lean.</quote>I might have misunderstood - are you saying you believe the constitution currently allows open carry? Or that federal law as written currently allows open carry?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gmanthebest 09/14/23 12:16:40 PM #142:	Ruvan22 posted... I might have misunderstood - are you saying you believe the constitution currently allows open carry? Or that federal law as written currently allows open carry? I feel like as written, the constitution allows open carry. That's why I feel the steps taken for gun control would require the second amendment to be changed. And sorry if my thoughts are a little short/not completely clear, replying while at work --- The large print giveth And the small print taketh away <cite>gmanthebest posted [p:976060527] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>Ruvan22 posted... </cite><quote>I might have misunderstood - are you saying you believe the constitution currently allows open carry? Or that federal law as written currently allows open carry?</quote>I feel like as written, the constitution allows open carry. That's why I feel the steps taken for gun control would require the second amendment to be changed. And sorry if my thoughts are a little short/not completely clear, replying while at work </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 09/14/23 4:13:06 PM #143:	gmanthebest posted... I feel like as written, the constitution allows open carry. That's why I feel the steps taken for gun control would require the second amendment to be changed. And sorry if my thoughts are a little short/not completely clear, replying while at work Hmm - some states already prohibit open carry and haven't been overruled by the supreme court, with even Scalia not speaking in defense of the practice. In the majority opinion in the case of District of Columbia v. Heller (2008), Justice Antonin Scalia wrote concerning the entirety of the elements of the Second Amendment; "We find that they guarantee the individual right to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation." However, Scalia continued, "Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose."[55] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_carry_in_the_United_States#Constitutional_implications So current interpretation of the constitution as written doesn't support open carry, though the Hawaii law is currently being appealed I believe <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:976066109] in NM governo... [t:80561146]...</cite> <quote>gmanthebest posted... </cite><quote>I feel like as written, the constitution allows open carry. That's why I feel the steps taken for gun control would require the second amendment to be changed. And sorry if my thoughts are a little short/not completely clear, replying while at work</quote>Hmm - some states already prohibit open carry and haven't been overruled by the supreme court, with even Scalia not speaking in defense of the practice.In the majority opinion in the case of District of Columbia v. Heller (2008), Justice Antonin Scalia wrote concerning the entirety of the elements of the Second Amendment; "We find that they guarantee the individual right to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation." However, Scalia continued, "Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose."[55] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_carry_in_the_United_States#Constitutional_implicationsSo current interpretation of the constitution as written doesn't support open carry, though the Hawaii law is currently being appealed I believe</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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