Current Events > Police in Ohio fatally shot a pregnant shoplifting suspect

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i dont feel bad for her getting shot for trying to run someone over but the cop should have also never stepped in front of the car and create the situation

and tbh the whole situation should have never started anyways over fucking shoplifting of all things

Heavy_D_Forever posted...

How would she be arrested and in custody if the police just let her leave the scene of the crime? Just because they have her license plate number doesn't automatically mean they could locate her. Her registered address may have changed, or the vehicle could be stolen or registered in someone else's name.

"Well, WHAT IF...!" ganes don't leave you with very many options, then.

The choice then becomes killing the shoplifter... or letting the shoplifter get away without the public endangered or harmed.

TaylorHeinicke posted...

lethal force isn't justified to prevent attempted murder?

What do you think is going to happen with people around her screaming and pointing guns?

Surely she can be expected to be as calm, cool, collected, and professional as the people... trained in every interaction to fear for their lives... because they might not make it home...

Huh. There's an unreasonable burden of behavior expected from someone when the trained people can't maintain that, and they're the ones who are supposed to be in control of the situation? You don't say!

Sega9599 posted...

He shot once. She wasn't restrained with a knee on her neck cutting off airflow. Her car was not peppered with bullets.

"It was totally justified because he doesn't resemble the most extreme examples I can cite as the worst of the worst of officers. He only shot a black woman once for shoplifting. All good, right? You can't say that's overreacting."

Sega9599 posted...

No? So....lets say i see someone doing crack. I tell the police, he runs away and gets hit by a car.

Why on earth would you say it's my fault?

Every crime can be punishable by death, and you feel no remorse for being the one that created the situation directly leading to someone's death.

That... that is not being a good human being.

DnDer posted... .

Was his gun drawn? Is there anything not aggressive about someone with a gun in their hand telling you what to do?

We don't know. What we do know is she attempted to run him over.

GATTJT posted...

It's all that post deserves.

Ok, if you say so.

Figure I'll match the amount of effort you're putting in.

Philip027 posted...

Ok, if you say so.

Figure I'll match the amount of effort you're putting in.

You don't see anything wrong with "eh sure dead pregnant woman but that kid would have sucked anyway"?

Really?

Tenlaar posted...

This is about the stupidest take. Youre literally saying that the cops trying to arrest her forced her to resist with potentially deadly force. Nobody forced her to put her foot on the gas.

It's called a fight or flight instinct. When you take away the ability to flight, only fight remains. This is why cops shouldn't do something stupid like, oh let's say point guns at people for shoplifting

More information released makes Young look guilty af.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/local/2023/08/28/body-camera-takiya-young- police-shooting-not-coming-monday-blendon- township-ohio-columbus-kroger/70698174007/ (remove spaces)

The body camera footage from a shooting involving Blendon Township police that left a 21-year-old pregnant mother dead will not be released until several steps are completed, including showing it to the woman's family before it is publicly released, the police chief announced Monday afternoon.
Blendon Township officials are working to process the body camera footage from two officers involved in the Thursday evening incident in the Kroger parking lot at 5991 S. Sunbury Road.

The shooting left 21-year-old Ta'Kiya Young dead.

Blendon Township Chief John Belford said in a video statement Friday that Young and several other people allegedly stole items from the Kroger store. An employee flagged down two officers who were in the parking lot on an unrelated call, who approached Young's vehicle.

At the time the officers approached Young's four-door sedan, Belford said, Young was already inside the car. One officer was on the vehicle's driver's side and the other officer was in front of the vehicle. More than a dozen verbal commands were given for Young to get out of the car and to turn the car off, Belford said.

Instead, according to Belford, Young accelerated directly at the officer in front of the vehicle, who fired a single gunshot through the windshield.

Young's vehicle drove a short distance, going over the curb and striking the exterior of the building. Belford said officers broke the driver's side window to get Young out of the vehicle and begin providing medical aid, with assistance from an emergency room doctor who was in the parking lot at the time.

Young was taken to Mount Carmel St. Ann's hospital, where she died from her injuries.

Young, who is the mother of a 6-year-old and 3-year-old son, was pregnant with a daughter that was due in November, according to her family.
In his statement Friday, Belford said that processing the body camera footage will take time because of the redactions that are required to be made by Ohio law. Blendon Township is a small department without the staffing of agencies like Columbus police that have a dedicated unit of multiple people who process records requests.

In an updated statement at 5 p.m. on Monday, Belford explained that the process to release the bodycam video involves identifying which redactions must be made, getting approval of the redactions and confirming they comply with the law from legal counselm giving the video to the investigating agency, the Ohio BCI, to make sure it won't interfere with its investigation; and showing the video to Young's family before releasing it to the public.

"Blendon Township has a small staff, but we are still committed to abiding by Ohio public records law, which requires records like body camera video to be released in a reasonable amount of time," Belford said in the statement.

Local activists and protest groups met at the Kroger on Friday night and again on Sunday evening to call for justice and accountability in the shooting.

Blendon Township also canceled a previously scheduled concert that was to be held in Ridgewood park on Saturday evening.

Darklit_Minuet posted...

When you take away the ability to flight, only fight remains.

False. Surrender also remains.

It's not fight or flight when you're the aggressor 100% of the time

Shoplifting - aggressor
Resisting 12+ verbal commands to surrender peacefully and be arrested - aggressor
Attempted murder - aggressor

You cannot play the fight or flight card

ITT: the worst internet lawyering Ive ever seen

Well your Honour, my client didnt know how to surrender to officers, given more than enough attempts to do so.

My client has never been to jail before. So it would be unreasonable for them to have to adapt to that situation based on the consequences of their actions.

Slayer_22 posted...

Let's say she did get away, the cop gets hit and injured...it's fine, because she was attempting to escape?

Cops get paid to that that risk. The other people in the parking lot that might be caught in a crossfire didn't. It's much better to let a suspect (especially one for a non-violent crime like shoplifting) leave the premises and then arrest them during a much safer window in a much less dangerous place.

andel posted...

your rationale is the same one people used to try and defend the people that run over protestors. "they just want to get away" is never a valid reason to try and run people over.

Bad analogy? Protestors aren't usually pointing guns and threatening a driver's life. Most of the people who talk about running protestors over want to run protestors over, and like to use their protest or political position as an excuse to do it.

I don't think that's comparable at all to cops threatening to kill you for shoplifting.

Slayer_22 posted...

This woman was willing to attempt murder to get away from the police.

You sure have a funny way of describing "panicked flight response" to people threatening to kill her for shopllifting.

Sega9599 posted...

They're state sanctioned executioners and are immune from prosecution.

Well... at least this part of your statement was largely true.

Sega9599 posted...

The police could have done more to help reach that positive outcome, therefore they are the bad guys because they didn't.

YES.

Naysaspace posted...

Topic title makes it seem they shot her for shoplifting.

They did, though. They entire point of their presence was to stop a shoplifter. They terrified her to the point of trying to flee, and then shot her for it.

SwayM posted...

This has absolutely nothing to do with race.

Policing, and their response to alleged criminal activities (and actual criminal activities), is so inextricably tied to race that it's amazing to imagine you saying that with a straight face. Policing in our country exists because of race--one of the first groups of cops the US had was armed slave patrols. And it gets shittier from there because so little has changed other than the technology we use for policing.

Natsu_Dragneel posted...

my uncle's friend is a cop and he told me he tells the criminals twice before he fire his weapon. he told me he's trying to go home at the end of the day also. he ended the life of two of his school friends sons and one tried to run him over with a car like this one. if you're committing a crime don't expect a happy ending. play stupid games and win stupid prizes. sucks for her daughter though.

He's certainly true to his training, and you've certainly bought into the propaganda.

Tenlaar posted...

This is about the stupidest take. Youre literally saying that the cops trying to arrest her forced her to resist with potentially deadly force. Nobody forced her to put her foot on the gas.

They drew their guns first. On a shoplifter. Suddenly, death was on the table for a petty crime. Especially because she was POC, and we know their outcomes when dealing with cops. Especially ones who like to pull their guns.

The cops made this a deadly situation. The cops are responsible for her death. Morally, and I personally believe criminally.

Shoplifting shouldn't carry a death sentence. Shouldn't even carry a potential death sentence. Cops who pull their guns are ready to kill. There's the explicit threat of death behind every action and command from that moment on. And they did it to a shoplifter.

Slayer_22 posted...

What we do know is she attempted to run him over.

Said the cops.

To wit,

Slayer_22 posted...

We don't know.

The internet has turned people into lunatics.

Slayer_22 posted...

Young look guilty af.

Slayer_22 posted...

Instead, according to Belford, Young accelerated directly at the officer in front of the vehicle, who fired a single gunshot through the windshield.

She only looks guilty if you believe the cops who haven't released the camera footage yet that does or does not support their public statement.

And all that means, is that we have nothing concrete to believe or disbelieve at this point, because a cop's statement to the press is meaningless, and should probably be default treated as a lie.

(Want an example? Look at how many lies were told as [and after] Uvalde unfolded by multiple cops. And that's just the most egregious one.)

DnDer posted...

They drew their guns first.

Whered you see that?

DnDer posted...

Cops get paid to that that risk. The other people in the parking lot that might be caught in a crossfire didn't. It's much better to let a suspect (especially one for a non-violent crime like shoplifting) leave the premises and then arrest them during a much safer window in a much less dangerous place.

Cops do not get paid to die because someone decides to attempt to run them over lmao.

You sure have a funny way of describing "panicked flight response" to people threatening to kill her for shopllifting.

...no one was threatening to kill her. Did we read the same story? She initiated the situation. No one told her to shop lift. No one told her to try and run over someone. Lol.

The delusion on this fella.

DrizztLink posted...

You don't see anything wrong with "eh sure dead pregnant woman but that kid would have sucked anyway"?

Really?

Do you see this kid receiving a proper, caring, loving, attentive home environment had they been born? Really?

The fact that so many people seriously believe they should have let the shoplifter go despite her being willing to run a police officer down is honestly wild.

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Whered you see that?

It's part of his made up fanfic.

The fact that so many people seriously believe the story from the cops, without seeing bodycam footage is honestly wild

I never believe anything a cop says without evidence

Slayer_22 posted...

...no one was threatening to kill her. Did we read the same story? She initiated the situation. No one told her to shop lift. No one told her to try and run over someone. Lol.

A man with a gun blocking your exit is inherently a threat of violence.

Zikten posted...

The fact that so many people seriously believe the story from the cops, without seeing bodycam footage is honestly wild

I never believe anything a cop says without evidence

The alternative is believing absolutely nothing at all happened. Or I guess going the fanfiction route like DnD up there.

Gremlynn posted...

A man with a gun blocking your exit is inherently a threat of violence.

Do you hit everyone with your car at all times because they might have a gun or something?

Expected this to be injustice because the thief was running away when she was shot but she tried to commit vehicular manslaughter? This sounds fair as you can get. Life isn't GTA run people over with cars.

Astounding amount of people are bothered that anyone called the police because stuff was being stolen??? Wtff who else are you supposed to call??

Slayer_22 posted...

More information released makes Young look guilty af.

Just fyi

Cops aren't supposed to kill guilty people either

dioxxys posted...

Astounding amount of people are bothered that anyone called the police because stuff was being stolen??? Wtff who else are you supposed to call??

Nobody? Even if I am the owner, I wouldn't want anybody getting killed over petty theft because either the thief or the cops did something stupid. It's just not that serious, and there are other ways to recoup your loses (i imagine much of the time any recovered items can't be resold anyway, so truly what's the point?)

WizardPowers posted...

Shoplifting - aggressor

Shoplifting is a nonviolent crime without an "aggressor." I mean, unless you're some kind of libertarian jerkass who thinks property can be aggressed upon. But that's a ridiculous assertion no serious person would make.

WizardPowers posted...

Resisting 12+ verbal commands to surrender peacefully and be arrested - aggressor

We've seen how cops issue commands. I can definitely tell you who the aggressor in this situation was. (Psst. It's the one you're wrong about.)

WizardPowers posted...

Attempted murder - aggressor

POC with cops pointing guns at them for shoplifting. "Fight or flight" is the only answer that is understandable in this scenario. Cops are the aggressors again.

SwayM posted...

The internet has turned people into lunatics.

I know! All this bloodthirst for a shoplifter. Just a bunch of goddamn monsters in this topic.

Slayer_22 posted...

More information released makes Young look guilty af.

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/local/2023/08/28/body-camera-takiya-young- police-shooting-not-coming-monday-blendon- township-ohio-columbus-kroger/70698174007/ (remove spaces)

6-year-old and 3-year-old and 7 months pregnant at 21, Jesus goddamn Christ.

Anyway, I think it should definitely be restated out that the cops were not called to the parking lot because of shoplifting, they were already there. Also, there's no evidence yet that the police initially approached the car with any weapons drawn. The shooting cop probably pulled out his gun as she stepped on the gas.

COVxy posted...

Nobody? Even if I am the owner, I wouldn't want anybody getting killed over petty theft because either the thief or the cops did something stupid. It's just not that serious, and there are other ways to recoup your loses (i imagine much of the time any recovered items can't be resold anyway, so truly what's the point?)

I don't feel like this point of view could ever come from an actual shop owner. If people steal stuff then you report it to the law that's just how it works. If there's not a consequence from stealing from your store because the store is known to not call the police, then people are just going to keep hitting the same store over and over again. Nothing about that sounds financially viable.

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Whered you see that?

Start with the fact that the shoplifter was unarmed (or the police would have made it their headline).

Or draw the reasonable conclusion that, because he was able to fire and "dodge" a slow moving vehicle that rolled gently to a stop afterwards, he had to have had his gun out while "issuing commands" at her.

Or remember how police are trained to interact with POC and their communities, leading them to escalate every situation and encounter with a POC. (Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't have their guns drawn from the moment the worker flagged them across the parking lot and said she was a shoplifter. But that's my cynicism and not a reasonable conclusion. The reasonable one being they had guns drawn when they boxed her car in and "issued commands.")

Slayer_22 posted...

...no one was threatening to kill her.

Rule 1: The gun is always loaded unless you checked and cleared it yourself.

Rule 2: You do not point a gun at anything you are not ready to kill or destroy whatever is in front of the muzzle.

When you raise your gun, regardless of the context, it is understood that you, as an alleged "good guy with a gun," are ready to kill and destroy whatever is in front of it. No matter the reason or justification. Pointing your gun is a threat backed with murderous intent.

Slayer_22 posted...

The fact that so many people seriously believe they should have let the shoplifter go despite her being willing to run a police officer down is honestly wild.

The fact that so many people seriously believe anyone would have been run over if the cops had just let her go and arrested her at home, outside of her vehicle in a non-public space where civilians were around with the potential for collateral damage, is honestly wild.

Slayer_22 posted...

The alternative is believing absolutely nothing at all happened. Or I guess going the fanfiction route like DnD up there.

What is this nonsense?

Shoplifting happened. Nothing happened that justified pointing guns or executing a pregnant woman.

dioxxys posted...

Astounding amount of people are bothered that anyone called the police because stuff was being stolen???

Pay closer attention.

People are bothered that police shot a pregnant woman over shoplifting.

VFalcone posted...

The shooting cop probably pulled out his gun as she stepped on the gas.

AND fired just once with a killshot?

AND "heroically" dodged out of the way?

That's the police narrative. She tried to run him down, he shot, and dodged. I'm pretty sure they'd include the amazing detail that he had the self-control to not clear leather until that quarter-second where he heard the engine rev and the vehicle lurch forward and make the one perfect shot while coming away unscathed.

Feels like fantasy to think he didn't already have his weapon out while he was "issuing commands."

Tyranthraxus posted...

Just fyi

Cops aren't supposed to kill guilty people either

Are they supposed to kill people that are attempting to kill them? Isn't that...shit, what's it called? Self defense?

I meant guilty in terms of guilty of attempted murder.

DnDer posted...

Start with the fact that the shoplifter was unarmed (or the police would have made it their headline).

Or draw the reasonable conclusion that, because he was able to fire and "dodge" a slow moving vehicle that rolled gently to a stop afterwards, he had to have had his gun out while "issuing commands" at her.

Or remember how police are trained to interact with POC and their communities, leading them to escalate every situation and encounter with a POC. (Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't have their guns drawn from the moment the worker flagged them across the parking lot and said she was a shoplifter. But that's my cynicism and not a reasonable conclusion. The reasonable one being they had guns drawn when they boxed her car in and "issued commands.")

So "I made it up". Gotcha.

DnDer posted...

Rule 1: The gun is always loaded unless you checked and cleared it yourself.

Rule 2: You do not point a gun at anything you are not ready to kill or destroy whatever is in front of the muzzle.

When you raise your gun, regardless of the context, it is understood that you, as an alleged "good guy with a gun," are ready to kill and destroy whatever is in front of it. No matter the reason or justification. Pointing your gun is a threat backed with murderous intent.

Fanfiction isn't fact. Until we see evidence, what you're posting is fanfiction.

Slayer_22 posted...

Are they supposed to kill people that are attempting to kill them? Isn't that...shit, what's it called? Self defense?

I meant guilty in terms of guilty of attempted murder.

So "I made it up". Gotcha.

Fanfiction isn't fact. Until we see evidence, what you're posting is fanfiction.

your mom is fanfiction

dioxxys posted...

I don't feel like this point of view could ever come from an actual shop owner. If people steal stuff then you report it to the law that's just how it works. If there's not a consequence from stealing from your store because the store is known to not call the police, then people are just going to keep hitting the same store over and over again. Nothing about that sounds financially viable.

I don't think anyone's said a shop owner doesn't have the right to call police and have their property recovered or the crime addressed.

Most people are saying the police shouldn't have the latitude to kill people for property crimes like shoplifting.

DnDer posted...

Rule 1: The gun is always loaded unless you checked and cleared it yourself.

Rule 2: You do not point a gun at anything you are not ready to kill or destroy whatever is in front of the muzzle.

When you raise your gun, regardless of the context, it is understood that you, as an alleged "good guy with a gun," are ready to kill and destroy whatever is in front of it. No matter the reason or justification. Pointing your gun is a threat backed with murderous intent.

The problem people have is that the narrative you're pushing is based entirely on what you think actually happened using the stigmas of police as a basis. When in reality, you don't know any of that for sure. Nobody does. The idea that:

• the cops were called to the area specifically to stop her
• the cops were aggressively commanding her to get out of the car and turn it off
• the cops came to her with guns already drawn and threatening to kill her immediately
• the cops simply scared her and she smashed on the gas to get away
• the cops went there with the intent to kill and did

are all things you're basically making up, but touting as fact without any evidence at all. You just think that's what actually happened.

Slayer_22 posted...

Fanfiction isn't fact. Until we see evidence, what you're posting is fanfiction.

On that note, then, what you're posting is worse: copaganda.

Slayer_22 posted...

Do you hit everyone with your car at all times because they might have a gun or something?

Ah yes, I forgot, in America cops "might have a gun".

You guys internet way too much

VFalcone posted...

are all things you're basically making up but touting as fact without any evidence at all. You just think that's what actually happened.

Making reasonable conclusions. Not just whole cloth stuff.

VFalcone posted...

the cops were called to the area specifically to stop her
the cops were aggressively commanding her to get out of the car and turn it off
the cops came to her with guns already drawn and threatening to kill her immediately
the cops simply scared her and she smashed on the gas to get away
the cops went there with the intent to kill and did

Down the list...

They were already in the lot, but were flagged down specifically to approach and apprehend her. That's according to police who say that the employee told them.

The only people I've seen, time and again, that get the benefit of not being aggressively commanded by cops who suspect them of something, are cishet white dudes. It's procedure and culture to yell at a suspect until compliance is achieved. The pattern that already exists leads us to think this would be no different.

I said the cops coming to the car with guns drawn was my own cynicism and not a reasonable conclusion. It's not unreasonable to think the cops drew their guns at any point during the interaction, especially if they didn't get immediate compliance. Past performance, and all that.

The cops threatened her life over shoplifting. Given the history of cops vs POC and the mortality rate of such interactions, I wouldn't call it "simply scared" as much as "existentially threatened." Fight-or-flight is a perfectly reasonable conclusion to draw from her mindset, as we've seen countless other examples of people who are scared and unable to comply in their terror get brutalized or worse. (e.g., Daniel Shaver)

Cops are literally trained that every interaction could be a life or death interaction. That they have to be prepared to kill in order to save their own lives and go home at night. It is beaten into them that they have to have the capacity and intent to kill because they must constantly fear for their lives on their job. No, I don't believe they went in with the intent of, "Ooh! Gonna pop me a shoplifter and mark it off my bingo card back at the precinct." But I do believe that cop culture predisposes them to having kill-or-be-killed as a default, especially when it comes to interactions with POC. That's the intent they go in with. Killology 101 stuff.

Also, pointing your gun at something is demonstrating intent. That's gun safety 101. So, two different kinds of intent now, I suppose.

guys until more evidence comes out it's equally likely that the cop had fucking super-human action star reflexes as it is that he just already had his gun drawn before stepping in front the moving car.

Making the assumption that he isn't in the top percentile of quickdraw marksmen that can draw, land a single kill shot, and dodge all at once while a car is barreling down on him at speeds that make it an immediate threat is just making stuff up to fit your narrative.

OudeGeuze posted...

your mom is fanfiction

...shit. how'd you know?!?!??!!!?!?!!11

Gremlynn posted...

Ah yes, I forgot, in America cops "might have a gun".

...so are you saying you hit every cop you see in front of you with your car because they have a gun? I was just talking about people.

Slayer_22 posted...

...shit. how'd you know?!?!??!!!?!?!!11

...so are you saying you hit every cop you see in front of you with your car because they have a gun? I was just talking about people.

People pointing guns at you?

Did the police release a video yet?

I fucking swear the escalators on CE are powered by the large hadron collider.

Person A: the cop shouldn't have jumped in front of the vehicle.
Person B: oh so that means you want all cops to get run over?