Current Events > Police in Ohio fatally shot a pregnant shoplifting suspect

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Yall acting like cops dont love killing minorities

VeggetaX posted...

Remember, if someone tries to run you over if you don't move out of the way it's your fault.

Except when it's protesters blocking a street or highway or bridge.
Then DON'T YOU DARE hit them, it's your fault, you monster!

Northlane posted...

Columbus suburb fatally shot a pregnant woman in an Ohio supermarket parking lot after she accelerated her car toward an officer

I didn't read past this sentence

Pretty much. The fairest of nexts.

Chewisbeast posted...

Surprised it took 80 posts to say this tbh. Assuming it's for her she messes up the pregnancy and could potentially drink and drive if she doesn't wait to get home to drink.

All assumptions though, could also be not for her.

Yeah, she needed to steal that alcohol to feed her starving children!
The literal "best case" scenario is she's a professional criminal that planned to resell it on the black market and it wasn't for her to drink while pregnant

streamofthesky posted...

There's about a 50/50 chance this poster is very fond of tiki torches for some inexplicable reason.

COVxy posted...

There's about a 50/50 chance this poster is very fond of tiki torches for some inexplicable reasons.

A fine person, perhaps?

ai123 posted...

A fine person, perhaps?

I could see some people describing him in that way. Well, one person in particular.

Cops "I feared for my life because i put myself in a situation where i would fear for my life and then heroically put an end to the person i turned into a threat to my life with my trust Corpse Maker, while not actually protecting myself because THEY DIED WITH THEIR FOOT ON THE GAS SO I STILL GOTTA GET THE FUCK OUTA THE WAY. All in the name of protecting a few hundred dollar's worth of insured stolen merchandise... that now cannot be sold anyways because what bottles aren't broken or covered in blood are going to be taken in as evidence of the initial crime. I'M A HERO!"

Also cops "It's much safer if we all wait outside until the school shooter runs out of ammo murdering children, can't go risking our own lives you know that would just be reckless."

And people fucking celebrate these pigs. Makes me sick to my goddamn stomach.

Please dont steal.

I'll never understand the mentality of people who dismiss crime like it's perfectly acceptable behavior.

This lady made the decision to steal items from a store. She then made the decision to drive her car towards a police officer who had a gun pointed at her. All of the actions leading up to her death were completely avoidable if she had chosen to NOT do those things.

Heavy_D_Forever posted...

I'll never understand the mentality of people who dismiss crime like it's perfectly acceptable behavior.

This lady made the decision to steal items from a store. She then made the decision to drive her car towards a police officer who had a gun pointed at her. All of the actions leading up to her death were completely avoidable if she had chosen to NOT do those things.

They hate guns and/orthe police so much that nothing else matters.

Heavy_D_Forever posted...

I'll never understand the mentality of people who dismiss crime like it's perfectly acceptable behavior.

I, too, do not understand the motivations of people who don't exist.

Heavy_D_Forever posted...

This lady made the decision to steal items from a store. She then made the decision to drive her car towards a police officer who had a gun pointed at her. All of the actions leading up to her death were completely avoidable if she had chosen to NOT do those things.

All true. What's also true is that she would be alive and in custody if a cop hadn't stood in front of her vehicle like an idiot. Criminals being criminal is not an excuse for police to be negligent morons.

I think fundamentally many of these discussions simply boil down to what you think the point of the justice system should be.

I disagree with many people on this because I believe the primary purpose should be rehabilitation and safety.

People who think it's vengence or retribution or punishment tend to view things differently. I don't think these things matter at all.

TheOtherMike posted...

I, too, do not understand the motivations of people who don't exist.

All true. What's also true is that she would be alive and in custody if a cop hadn't stood in front of her vehicle like an idiot. Criminals being criminal is not an excuse for police to be negligent morons.

1 - They do exist and this topic and many others are proof of that.

2 - How would she be arrested and in custody if the police just let her leave the scene of the crime? Just because they have her license plate number doesn't automatically mean they could locate her. Her registered address may have changed, or the vehicle could be stolen or registered in someone else's name.

Heavy_D_Forever posted...

I'll never understand the mentality of people who dismiss crime like it's perfectly acceptable behavior.

This lady made the decision to steal items from a store. She then made the decision to drive her car towards a police officer who had a gun pointed at her. All of the actions leading up to her death were completely avoidable if she had chosen to NOT do those things.

And dumb fucking pigs made the decision to use their body as a shield to "protect" a few bottles of booze and then use lethal force when their bluff was called instead of just i dunno, TAKING DOWN HER PLATES?! CHECKING THE CAMERAS? PUTTING OUT A WARRANT?

Meanwhile good fucking luck getting any help at all when it's your personal property or safety. They don't give a fuck. "I'm scared and alone in the dark, my car is broken into, there is a suspicious bag under my car, i don't know if they are still around, there's broken glass everywhere and my purse with all my cash and cards and medication is missing, i don't know what to do". You'll see a cop five hours later, annoyed to be there, take a statement and tell you there's probably nothing they can do after so much time has passed.

Because cops don't give a fuck about the law, or public safety, or preventing crime. They care only about rich people's property. They will show up in fucking SECONDS with five squad cars ready to be the fucking heroes over a few hundred dollars of a billion dollar company's insured merchandise, but they will send a lone beat cop to take a citizen's statement hours after the call over ten times the stolen value.

Heavy_D_Forever posted...

1 - They do exist and this topic and many others are proof of that.

You seem to confuse not wanting her dead with thinking the crime was acceptable.

2 - How would she be arrested and in custody if the police just let her leave the scene of the crime? Just because they have her license plate number doesn't automatically mean they could locate her. Her registered address may have changed, or the vehicle could be stolen or registered in someone else's name.

Still a far better outcome than the death of a pregnant woman, don't you think?

Heavy_D_Forever posted...

1 - They do exist and this topic and many others are proof of that.

Quote them.

Heavy_D_Forever posted...

How would she be arrested and in custody if the police just let her leave the scene of the crime? Just because they have her license plate number doesn't automatically mean they could locate her. Her registered address may have changed, or the vehicle could be stolen or registered in someone else's name.

The license plate is a good start. The chances that the vehicle is stolen is going to be slim, and you literally can't renew without an updated address. Capturing an alleged shoplifter isn't worth the officer endangering his life by standing in front of a vehicle like an idiot. The crime of shoplifting isn't worth that level of escalation. You're completely ignoring the extreme risk being put forth for an extremely minor crime.

ai123 posted...

You seem to confuse not wanting her dead with thinking the crime was acceptable.

Still a far better outcome than the death of a pregnant woman, don't you think?

A far better outcome would be her making better life choices that would prevent this entire situation from ever occurring. There is literally no way to predict future outcomes where she flees the scene and what happens in the aftermath of that.

Heavy_D_Forever posted...

A far better outcome would be her making better life choices that would prevent this entire situation from ever occurring. There is literally no way to predict future outcomes where she flees the scene and what happens in the aftermath of that.

"well she comitted a small crime, that should be prosecuted and punished, so it's perfectly reasonable that the dumb fucking pig made the situation a thousand times worse and he shouldn't be held responsible for that at all!"

Heavy_D_Forever posted...

A far better outcome would be her making better life choices that would prevent this entire situation from ever occurring.

Literally no one has disputed that. Regardless, that doesn't justify police grossly mishandling the situation.

Heavy_D_Forever posted...

There is literally no way to predict future outcomes where she flees the scene and what happens in the aftermath of that.

"You cant predict the future, therefore she deserves to die for things she might do in the future."

Makes sense.

Heavy_D_Forever posted...

A far better outcome would be her making better life choices that would prevent this entire situation from ever occurring.

That's an alternate universe, not an outcome.

Heavy_D_Forever posted...

A far better outcome would be her making better life choices that would prevent this entire situation from ever occurring.

Once that was no longer an option, which outcome was preferable: killing her, or taking a risk she might escape punishment?

the number of people defending someone driving their car towards an on-foot officer is insane

TaylorHeinicke posted...

the number of people defending someone driving their car towards an on-foot officer is insane

No one thinks it's OK for someone to drive at a cop.

Some people think they shouldn't be killed for it.

But you know that.

ai123 posted...

Some people think they shouldn't be killed for it.

what am I missing here

lethal force isn't justified to prevent attempted murder?

Why didnt the cop just shoot the engine out of the car to disable it?

Unless details are different than presented, seems pretty fair next. The normal reaction to someone being in front of your car is not to accelerate. Unless the cop just ran in front of her without giving her any time to react and just started shooting before she could even think to put her foot on the brakes, I'm not sure what anyone would expect. It's more of a tragic outcome than someone getting their just deserts, but it's entirely on her and her alone based on these details.

ScazarMeltex posted...

Yeah, imagine getting fucking killed to try and stop someone stealing something that isn't even yours while making 15 bucks an hour. You want someone to risk their lives to protect your merch? Hire a fucking security guard.

That's why you sign up to volunteer to be in the brute force squad. Some of my co workers did it just for the thrills. Yeah it's not worth risking your life over.

One the criminals pull out a knife as he was chased down the street, but got caught by the cops when he got away and got 20 years for that.

TaylorHeinicke posted...

what am I missing here

lethal force isn't justified to prevent attempted murder?

It wasn't the lethal force that prevented the murder, it was the getting out of the way. Thus, the lethal force was unnecessary.

Cars don't come to a dead halt when the driver dies. This one was no exception. The cop elected to aim, fire and get out the way, when only the third action was necessary.

What do you think cops do in countries where they are unarmed? Stand there and get run over?

TaylorHeinicke posted...

what am I missing here

lethal force isn't justified to prevent attempted murder?

What the cop did was the equivalent of those scenes in action movies where the tough guy walks up to the scared gunman and lets their gun press against his forehead and then the gunman wusses out and tough guy is all like "that's what I thought".

Except that's a movie and in reality the tough guy gets shot in the head.

Dreepapult posted...

Is it standard for cops to stand right in front of a fleeing car? Sounds like a good way to force a situation like this. Either the person runs the cop down or they're going to shoot them.

or they, and this is a bit ridiculous but let's imagine

get out of the car and let the cops arrest them, facing the reasonable consequences

anyway not a cop shill but this dude acting like there wasn't an obvious solution pissed me off

can't bring me to feel much for suspect either, stupid games & whatnot

I think it's the store's fault for not having all the merchandise behind glass/plastic barriers that you need to call an attendant over for. If she didn't have the opportunity to steal this all could have been avoided.

ScazarMeltex posted...

This is why when you see someone shoplifting you keep your f***ing mouth shut.

You're not serious....are you?

TheOtherMike posted...

All true. What's also true is that she would be alive and in custody if a cop hadn't stood in front of her vehicle like an idiot. Criminals being criminal is not an excuse for police to be negligent morons.

How would she be in custody? You have no guarantee of that. We can't just let people commit crimes because they might act irrationally to their own detriment.

The logic is atrocious.
"If the police officer had just asked her nicely, or if no one had snitched on her or if, here's an idea, the store actually tried to help the poor rather than taxing them with high prices, she'd still be alive. FACT."

Look, it's a very sad situation. Of course it would have been better for her to be alive...we think?...at this moment. But....what people are suggesting is insane. Shoplifting doesn't matter. She was the wrong person oh no that's a different story. Why didnt they just let her go and try to catch her at some other time.

He shot once. She wasn't restrained with a knee on her neck cutting off airflow. Her car was not peppered with bullets.

It's a sad situation. I don't know what the outcome will be here, but I don't think they murdered the woman.

Sega9599 posted...

You're not serious....are you?

Wouldn't you feel guilty if you called the cops on a minor crime and then the person got killed?

Was this the same one as last time? Because the other one, she wasn't a suspect, because she hadn't shoplifted, and they murdered her and her unborn baby anyway.

there are plenty of situations where cops are fucked up and unjustifiably maim/kill someone but this doesn't appear to be one of those

Zikten posted...

Wouldn't you feel guilty if you called the cops on a minor crime and then the person got killed?

No? So....lets say i see someone doing crack. I tell the police, he runs away and gets hit by a car.

Why on earth would you say it's my fault?

Sega9599 posted...

No? So....lets say i see someone doing crack. I tell the police, he runs away and gets hit by a car.

Why on earth would you say it's my fault?

probably because doing drugs isn't even illegal, first of all

Zikten posted...

Wouldn't you feel guilty if you called the cops on a minor crime and then the person got killed?

Nope.

Zikten posted...

Wouldn't you feel guilty if you called the cops on a minor crime and then the person got killed?

Attempting to murder someone with a car isnt a minor crime

A cop blocking the exit path of somebody they are trying to arrest is not an unreasonable action. This is no different than a cop standing in a doorway to block a suspect and then shooting them when they pull out a knife and come at the cop. She chose to respond to be long detained for a minor crime with deadly force and got deadly force back. Until we develop actual effective long range less than lethal devices that is how it works and will continue to work.

Sega9599 posted...

No? So....lets say i see someone doing crack. I tell the police, he runs away and gets hit by a car.

Why on earth would you say it's my fault?

A better comparison would be calling the police on someone doing crack. They come, he gets in his car and tries to ram through one of the officers in an attempt to get away. They shoot him.

At that point... who's really the bad guy? The cop who shot, or the guy intentionally trying to run the cop over (potentially fatal)?

Gremlynn posted...

Cops "I feared for my life because i put myself in a situation where i would fear for my life and then heroically put an end to the person i turned into a threat to my life with my trust Corpse Maker, while not actually protecting myself because THEY DIED WITH THEIR FOOT ON THE GAS SO I STILL GOTTA GET THE FUCK OUTA THE WAY. All in the name of protecting a few hundred dollar's worth of insured stolen merchandise... that now cannot be sold anyways because what bottles aren't broken or covered in blood are going to be taken in as evidence of the initial crime. I'M A HERO!"

Also cops "It's much safer if we all wait outside until the school shooter runs out of ammo murdering children, can't go risking our own lives you know that would just be reckless."

And people fucking celebrate these pigs. Makes me sick to my goddamn stomach.

Imagine writing this fanfic while entirely ignoring that the woman attempted to commit murder.

Just imagine, don't actually do it.

Zikten posted...

Wouldn't you feel guilty if you called the cops on a minor crime and then the person got killed?

Not if they got killed as a result of trying to use deadly force on a cop to get away.

Slayer_22 posted...

Imagine writing this fanfic while entirely ignoring that the woman attempted to commit murder.

Just imagine, don't actually do it.

I described exactly what fucking happened.

VFalcone posted...

A better comparison would be calling the police on someone doing crack. They come, he gets in his car and tries to ram through one of the officers in an attempt to get away. They shoot him.

At that point... who's really the bad guy? The cop who shot, or the guy intentionally trying to run the cop over (potentially fatal)?

the guy who made the phone call

How are people defending the cop in this situation?

It's like that scene from Austin Powers where the one guard is just yelling NOOOOOOOOO at the steamroller instead of fucking walking away. Except instead of being comedic, it's horrible because once again the obvious sidestep solution was overlooked in favor of murder

Slayer_22 posted...

Imagine writing this fanfic while entirely ignoring that the woman attempted to commit murder.

Just imagine, don't actually do it.

This user isn't well. I'd highly avoid responding to them seriously.

Darklit_Minuet posted...

How are people defending the cop in this situation?

It's like that scene from Austin Powers where the one guard is just yelling NOOOOOOOOO at the steamroller instead of fucking walking away. Except instead of being comedic, it's horrible because once again the obvious sidestep solution was overlooked in favor of murder

It wasn't overlooked. He still had to side step because corpses don't switch from gas to brakes.

He wanted to kill someone and gave himself a reason.

Darklit_Minuet posted...

How are people defending the cop in this situation?

It's like that scene from Austin Powers where the one guard is just yelling NOOOOOOOOO at the steamroller instead of fucking walking away. Except instead of being comedic, it's horrible because once again the obvious sidestep solution was overlooked in favor of murder

if police procedure was to just let people escape anytime they try to flee after committing crimes it would create issues, but in this instance in particular the woman proved she was willing to kill to escape which is obviously a public safety hazard

there are situations in which cops shouldn't pursue if the pursuit would cause more danger to the public, but in this scenario the woman attempted to run over a cop in the first place

DKBananaSlamma posted...

Attempting to murder someone with a car isnt a minor crime

She wasn't "attempting to murder someone with a car", she was attempting to escape the situation. The cop was actively putting himself in the way of the car idiotically