Current Events > Police in Ohio fatally shot a pregnant shoplifting suspect

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SwayM posted...

Tag yourself with this absurd horseshit, because this take came out of your own fucked up words and lack of comprehension.

Your inability to understand how she chose to resist arrest and attempted to use her vehicle as a deadly weapon is astounding.

Quit saying she attempted to run over a cop. She wasn't focused on killing a cop. That's stupid. She wanted to get away. She was simply attempting to escape. If a cop had been hit, it would have been an accident

g980 posted...

No one has ever stopped a criminal without being disruptive and blocking traffic. Sorry but your "convenient" arrests dont work and clearly you secretly support vehicular homicide.

Suspect. not criminal, suspect.

Someone SUSPECTED of a petty theft, who in fact may not have stolen anything at all (the presence and confiscation of stolen merchandise from her vehicle is oddly missing from the official report) had guns drawn on her in the parking lot.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/trans-mans-violent-arrest-investigation-los-angeles-sheriffs/story?id=101630507

https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/16/us/philando-castile-trial-verdict/index.html

https://abcnews4.com/news/crime-news/ex-state-trooper-who-shot-unarmed-black-man-reaching-for-wallet-gets-3-years-in-prison

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/09/us/police-shooting-video-arizona.html

Can't even begin to imagine why people don't feel safe just cooperating with police that go straight to guns drawn over the suspicion of minor shoplifting.

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Can if that human being has a gun pointed at you.

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A lot of people think this is the logical scenario. When a cop tells you to get out of the car, your first response should not be to attempt murder.

Slayer_22 posted...

A lot of people think this is the logical scenario. When a cop tells you to get out of the car, your first response should not be to attempt murder.

When someone steals a bottle of liquor, they should not have a gun drawn on them

Euripides posted...

When someone steals a bottle of liquor, they should not have a gun drawn on them

When someone attempts to run you down, it's considered self defense.

Anyway, body camera footage is on Friday but I'm sure the usual suspects here would have no issues with blaming the officers.

Slayer_22 posted...

When a cop tells you to get out of the car, your first response should not be to attempt murder.

I bet Emmet Brock wishes he'd killed the cop instead of getting out of his car.

Slayer_22 posted...

When someone attempts to run you down, it's considered self defense.

Would she have tried to run him down if he wasn't pointing a gun at her face?

Slayer_22 posted...

When someone attempts to run you down, it's considered self defense.

Anyway, body camera footage is on Friday but I'm sure the usual suspects here would have no issues with blaming the officers.

it's gonna be hilarious when the video comes out, and shows that guns were drawn on approach, and then despite "guns drawn is fanfiction" being the entirety of your argument instead of backing down and saying "oh shit yeah they did needlessly escalate and threaten a potentially innocent person's life over a couple of bottles of booze, maybe she did just panic with a gun in her face" you'll move the goalposts to your ACTUAL beliefs of "cops are allowed to terrorize citizens"

Were the cops actually pointing a gun at her face while attempting to detain her?

Savoots posted...

Were the cops actually pointing a gun at her face while attempting to detain her?

We'll find out tomorrow

Gobstoppers12 posted...

bro please shut the fuck up

Why? Are any but the rarest examples of cops being held accountable with anything more than paid vacation for their body count not ostensibly proof that cops can and do get away with almost any crime they want, up to and including murder?

Cops have an open license to kill people because they're not held accountable for their actions. They're held to a lower standard than an average Joe on the street. That's terrifying.

Giant_Aspirin posted...

do you honestly think if they ran her plates and tried to catch her at home she would peacefully surrender without incident?

Would have been infinitely more safe than what the police provoked in the parking lot. Bare minimum, she wouldn't have been in the car, and there wouldn't have been a parking lot full of potential collateral damage for a discharged weapon.

AdviceMan posted...

In fact, we can look at January 6 and think of the lady who immediately (and also rightfully) got shot. Different target, but she was a MAGA, so CE's response was (f*** around/find out).

If a conservative ran over an aggressive-sounding protester in front of their car, nobody would (rightfully) believe their "I was so scared"

These are absolutely terrible examples. Both of them have had murderous intent and malice aforethought put into them. That woman charged the barricade to kill elected officials and overthrow democracy. Conservatives and Republicans have repeatedly talked about wanting free reign to run over people in the street who inconvenience them or have different political viewpoints.

It's not comparable to having someone threaten you with death over a bottle of booze, and knowing the percentages for people of your skin to survive that encounter, even if you did comply at that point.

Wildly different.

XxAxem_BlackxX posted...

Or they stop the car, get out and surrender. That's an option too you know.

An advocate for white purity should not ever be commenting on the death of a POC at the hands of an inherently racist institution. This is a thread you just shouldn't come around, bro.

DnDer posted...

knowing the percentages for people of your skin to survive that encounter, even if you did comply at that point.

And that percentage would be what, exactly? Pease tell us what percentage of Black people who encounter cops survive the encounter.

Slayer_22 posted...

When someone attempts to run you down, it's considered self defense.

You're continuing with the narrative that he was in front of the car, she tried to run him down, he drew his gun, fired once perfectly to kill her, and then dodged out of the way of a moving vehicle that was out of control with no resultant injuries?

Well, who knew Max fucking Payne got hired back onto the force?

Slayer_22 posted...

Anyway, body camera footage is on Friday but I'm sure the usual suspects here would have no issues with blaming the officers.

Any time a person dies during apprehension or in custody of the cops, the cops are to blame. Every time.

Sometimes, they might have been justified (not this time, not for shoplifting). But they are responsible/at fault.

Too many other police forces across the world prove that a suspect doesn't need to die during an encounter with cops. At all. Even attempted murderers who lunge at cops with a knife. And yet... 'Murica!, I guess?

It was also really fucking stupid to shoot at her while she's driving away, considering what could happen if she slumped over and had dead weight on the gas pedal. But cops don't exactly make situations safe, nor is that their explicit purpose anyway

Cops never think clearly. They usually will make the most illogical choice in any given scenario

DnDer posted...

cops can and do get away with almost any crime they want

Please shut the fuck up.

DnDer posted...

knowing the percentages for people of your skin to survive that encounter

Spoken like somebody who doesn't actually know the percentages.

Hint: It's pretty close to 100% survival.

Gobstoppers12 = cop

Confirmed

DnDer posted...

You're continuing with the narrative that he was in front of the car, she tried to run him down, he drew his gun, fired once perfectly to kill her, and then dodged out of the way of a moving vehicle that was out of control with no resultant injuries?

I really don't know why he keeps insisting on this narrative.

Some people just refuse to see any fault in cops no matter what they do

DnDer posted...

I know! Who gets it in their head that extra-judicial execution is a thing we should tolerate or encourage our police to engage in. Society has really fucked up when we just give these people a free license to kill people because they're more afraid going to work than an agoraphobic is about going outside.

And people think that's okay.

Blows my goddamn mind every time that people endorse those criminals.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

bro please shut the fuck up

He gave you an out. You didn't take it. As usual. Honestly, I'm surprised you're still here. Figured you would have gotten the boot by now for hate speech.

Tenlaar posted...

And that percentage would be what, exactly? Pease tell us what percentage of Black people who encounter cops survive the encounter.

@DnDer I see you posting in other topics, surely you arent planning to ignore this until the topic hits 500 and you can pretend you never said it?

Tenlaar posted...

@DnDer I see you posting in other topics, surely you arent planning to ignore this until the topic hits 500 and you can pretend you never said it?

I can safely ignore your demand.

It's obvious anything I post that proves the radical discrepancy in how POC are targeted, abused, and killed to the point where parents have to tell their children to be afraid of the cops before they tell them about sex ed, is just going to be, "Aha! Gotcha! It's not x%, therefore I'm right that there's an acceptable percentage of black people that can die at the hands of cops before I recognize how wildly high it is in reality."

tl;dr: <dismissive wanking gesture in your direction>

Yeah, I figured your response would be something about how you dont have to actually know the percentage that you used as a defense of her actions in order to use it anyway.

DnDer posted...

I can safely ignore your demand.

It's obvious anything I post that proves the radical discrepancy in how POC are targeted, abused, and killed to the point where parents have to tell their children to be afraid of the cops before they tell them about sex ed

Agree with you, they are targeted more and arrested at an unfair rate. Shot a higher percent than white people. But I dont think telling your child you may get shot if the police stop you is rational advice.

In 2016 2.2 million black people were arrested, and somewhere around 240 were killed. So around .00011% chance of being killed by a cop after being stopped. I have to imagine several that were arrested didnt comply, yet were arrested and not killed. Obviously police brutality needs to stop, and cops need to be held accountable. But shouldnt be spreading fear that every cop is going to kill a poc if they get pulled over.

Edited to add something else. Around one hundred plus cops get killed each year and theres around 700,000 cops. Around a 1000 civilians get shot by cops each year, and theres over 300 million civilians.

Obviously police brutality needs to stop, and cops need to be held accountable. But shouldnt be spreading fear that every cop is going to kill a poc if they get pulled over.

Yep. DnDer wants to pretend that a disproportionate amount of people killed by police being Black means that a high percentage of Black people who encounter police are killed when that is a gross misrepresentation of reality. She was justified in using deadly force to try to flee because there is a tiny percent of a percent of a chance she would be killed just isnt as compelling of an argument.

psideresider posted...

But shouldnt be spreading fear that every cop is going to kill a poc if they get pulled over.

It's not my lived experience, and I rely on people I can trust to tell me that their fear is rational. And I believe them.

If LeVar Burton has to tell his son how to not get shot by the cops, we have something irredeemably wrong with policing, and indeed, our whole society.

Keep er going boys

We gotta get her to 500

Dreepapult posted...

Keep er going boys

We gotta get her to 500

Are we gonna do this again once the videos come out???

Likely

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you can if theyre pointing a gun at you

DnDer posted...

Would have been infinitely more safe than what the police provoked in the parking lot. Bare minimum, she wouldn't have been in the car, and there wouldn't have been a parking lot full of potential collateral damage for a discharged weapon.

infinitely more safe to approach her at her home, where her children and others might be present? i'm not sure why you think the collateral damage would be lower in a densely packed residential area vs a grocery store parking lot.

this woman already demonstrated the lengths she is willing to go through to avoid facing the consequences of her anti-social actions (repeated theft), and you think she would just peacefully surrender? what makes you think she wouldn't hop in a car and tear through her residential streets to escape? i guess the cops should just politely ask her to surrender over and over until she complies.

the escalation of this event was entirely the fault of the victim. IMO the police did nothing wrong by standing in front of her (parked) car as they were telling her to surrender.

Giant_Aspirin posted...

infinitely more safe to approach her at her home, where her children and others might be present? i'm not sure why you think the collateral damage would be lower in a densely packed residential area vs a grocery store parking lot.

this woman already demonstrated the lengths she is willing to go through to avoid facing the consequences of her anti-social actions (repeated theft), and you think she would just peacefully surrender? what makes you think she wouldn't hop in a car and tear through her residential streets to escape? i guess the cops should just politely ask her to surrender over and over until she complies.

the escalation of this event was entirely the fault of the victim. IMO the police did nothing wrong by standing in front of her (parked) car as they were telling her to surrender.

Don't be dense. If she was at home, she wouldn't be in the car when cops approached her. One big problem already struck down.

The entire concern for collateral damage is when, after police execute her for shoplifting, her car keeps going because now there's a body behind the wheel of a car in gear, as well as discharging firearms in a public place. Both of which are caused by the police in this case.

You know what? In every case. Any time a suspect dies in custody or an encounter, it's on the cops. It's the bare minimum stnadard we need to hold them to as people responsible for our societal well-being. Any time someone dies and is denied due process, the cops are at fault. Even if it's not criminal in nature that would get them tried in court, we have to acknowledge that any interaction with the police that results in death is the police's fault. They have too much power and responsibility and the imbalance that exists between them and the public they're supposed to serve is too great that they can't be excused when something like that happens. They have to be responsible and liable for it.

I feel like I've said this before.

DnDer posted...

Don't be dense. If she was at home, she wouldn't be in the car when cops approached her. One big problem already struck down.

dense? c'mon dude, name calling is not productive. be better.

but she could run away and get into a car? or she could get ahold of a gun and start shooting. there are a lot of possible outcomes here that you seem to not consider.

she was not executed for shoplifting. don't be disingenuous.

DnDer posted...

You know what? In every case. Any time a suspect dies in custody or an encounter, it's on the cops

every single case, huh? interesting perspective.

DnDer posted...

You know what? In every case. Any time a suspect dies in custody or an encounter, it's on the cops.

Are you just allergic to details and nuance or something

If only reality was as simple as 'acab' lol

g980 posted...

If only reality was as simple as 'acab' lol

It's not even acab, chief.

It's about the power and responsibility they wield over the public. The way the power dynamic has been established, the cops need to be held to account as the ones with the liability and responsibility when something goes wrong. They're the ones in control of a situation, with authority over it. That makes them responsible when something is no longer in control.

If someone gets shot by a cop, it's the cop's fault.

There should forever be a sticky topic of the most ridiculous, moronic and asinine statements made by users, so things like this will forever live in infamy:

"If someone gets shot by a cop, it's the cop's fault"

i just can't accept that user is posting in good faith because nobody actually believes that if someone starts shooting at a cop first, and gets shot in retaliation, that it's the cop's fault. so yeah, abandon ship.

The ACAB movement or whatever you choose to call it for me will continue to hold no merit IMHO if this is the level of stupidity that's allowed.

I will be leading the charge and outrage against actual bad policing, excessive force and corruption.

But if y'all continue to muddy the waters with bullshit, you'll never be taken seriously.

What bullshit is muddying the waters about cops drawing down on a pregnant black woman with such a disregard for their own self-preservation that they would jump in and out of the way of a car, or the safety for anyone else around as they discharge weapons into a moving vehicle that kept moving?

Every last fuck up in this situation starts and ends with cops making the wrong choices.

Shoplifting isn't a crime you point guns at someone for, let alone kill them over. And yet... there it is.

I refuse to believe someone is this obtuse.

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