Current Events > self-checkout is proven actually slower than human checkout

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WingsOfGood posted...

Price of food went up cause grocer charged more.
I asked why the grocer charged more when costs decreased.

Because there are more costs to getting the food from the farms where its grown to you than the labor costs associated with the number of cashiers that are employed by your particular grocery store.

WingsOfGood posted...

It is interesting in regard to the argument being made.
People swear back in forth about the speed and yet the limits basically admit the opposite.

Because a self check out station is generally made for quicker transactions because of the size of the set up. Even out local Walmart has two different styles of them and one set is made for larger purchases.

The argument in the OP is simply utter nonsense and thats par for the course for you.

If there are cashiers and limited self scan lanes and you got to the self scan lanes with coupons, checks, or without working knowledge of how to pay with a card you are a cretin.

Atralis posted...

Because there are more costs to getting the food from the farms where its grown to you than the labor costs associated with the number of cashiers that are employed by your particular grocery store.

Bzzzt
Wrong answer

https://marketrealist.com/consumer/are-grocery-stores-price-gouging/

Do grocery stores make more money during inflation?
In May 2022, Accountable.US released a report claiming large retailers, including grocers like Kroger, raised prices unnecessarily in 2020 and 2021. CBS MoneyWatch noted that this coincided with record profits for many companies.

ablegator posted...

If there are cashiers and limited self scan lanes and you got to the self scan lanes with coupons, checks, or without working knowledge of how to pay with a card you are a cretin.

You buy 5 items and one uses a coupon.
Why would you wait in the one cashier lane due to the store reducing headcount?

Also you sound frustrated. Thought self checkout was super quick and issue less?
Hhaha

WingsOfGood posted...

Bzzzt
Wrong answer

https://marketrealist.com/consumer/are-grocery-stores-price-gouging/

Wings do you believe that there is any relationship between the cost of the goods you purchase and the cost of providing those goods to you?

Cheater87 posted...

I don't use self checkout because it doesn't help a cashier get a paycheck.

.... that's not at all how paychecks are calculated. Up here in Canada we have what's known as Minimum Wage. Where I live its 14.50/h. I am assuming that in most states the same thing is applied. The price of groceries don't affect the salary of the workers. God I wish it would, because in some stores I worked at we were making bank.

Groceries go up in price when gas goes up in price, which affects the cost of transportation. The problem is that they don't go down in price when gas drops down in price, which is a bigger issue that needs to be addressed by government. I'm personally a fan of breakpoints which basically boils down to "if gas costs 1 dollar then groceries cost 1 dollar. If gas goes up, groceries go up. But if gas drops back down to 1 dollar then the price of groceries goes back down to 1 dollar. If that makes any sense.

Atralis posted...

Wings do you believe that there is any relationship between the cost of the goods you purchase and the cost of providing those goods to you?

Not a significant one during record profits and record lower overhead.

To believe othereise would be idiotically naive.

WingsOfGood posted...

We don't disagree.
You seem to think I want more people working for Walmart, I don't.

I want exploited people to realize exploitation and call it out.

If it makes them huge profits tax it and give UBI.

So we don't want people to work at Walmart, but we also don't want automation. There is far less exploitation with the latter.

How is fighting against automation going to somehow help push towards a future where there is UBI and higher corporate tax?

WingsOfGood posted...

You buy 5 items and one uses a coupon.
Why would you wait in the one cashier lane due to the store reducing headcount?

Also you sound frustrated. Thought self checkout was super quick and issue less?
Hhaha

They are quicker the problem is you have idiots in the mix and it slows things down. This applies to cashiers as well because customers are stupid bastards that want to use their ancient money via writing a check and having it fail, or they want to argue using a coupon the wrong way (or more likely expired)

WingsOfGood posted...

Not a significant one during record profits and record lower overhead.

To believe othereise would be idiotically naive.

This is just strange to me. Instead of supply and demand in your mind price is just determined by demand? There is no relationship between the costs of providing a good and the cost of purchasing that good?

hockeybub89 posted...

So we don't want people to work at Walmart, but we also don't want automation. There is far less exploitation with the latter.

How is fighting against automation going to somehow help push towards a future where there is UBI and higher corporate tax?

Acknowledging that it is unpaid work and ultimately a slower process designed to line wallets of capitalists is fighting against it?
We should discuss the narrative for what it is or they will pretend they didn't do that when it comes time to discuss corporate profit taxes used to fund UBI.
Why do you deserve UBI?

Well if you haven't lost sight of reality for one you done unpaid work for their profit.

WingsOfGood posted...

It is interesting in regard to the argument being made.
People swear back in forth about the speed and yet the limits basically admit the opposite.

This store has 12 self-checkout stations and 2 cashier stations. There are currently 15 people in the store checking out. The 2 cashier stations have 3 people in line each for a total of 6. 9 people are using self-checkout. You have 8 items in your cart. Which do you think will be faster? Wait in line at one of the cashier checkouts? Or to go to an open self-checkout station?

Atralis posted...

This is just strange to me. Instead of supply and demand in your mind price is just determined by demand? There is no relationship between the costs of providing a good and the cost of purchasing that good?

How did costs go up and they have record profit?

Think hard. The conclusion is super simple.

People trained in ringing up items and bagging them are better at it than people who aren't? Wow, who woulda thunk it?

Philip027 posted...

People trained in ringing up items and bagging them are better at it than people who aren't? Wow, who woulda thunk it?

Well duh.

People ITT claim otherwise though so.....

It's usually quicker for me because most grocery stores around here still use plastic bags, and I have reusable bags. So to use them in a regular checkout I have to show them my bags before they start bagging. And when they bag with my bags they have to put them on the table further away from them than the plastic bags, so it takes them longer. Also I usually grocery shop with my girlfriend, so we are tag-teaming the checkout process while the person checking out is usually by themselves.

WingsOfGood posted...

How did costs go up and they have record profit?

Think hard. The conclusion is super simple.

The conclusion is that prices are determined entirely by greed and magic?

WingsOfGood posted...

Well duh.

People ITT claim otherwise though so.....

Because people have probably used them so much or arent idiotic that they cant figure out how to use it.

Atralis posted...

The conclusion is that prices are determined entirely by greed and magic?

No, just greed. Corporations cut costs (such as wages) and raise prices to maximize profits. The people that run these companies are not as smart as people think they are.

hockeybub89 posted...

No, just greed. Corporations cut costs (such as wages) and raise prices to maximize profits. The people that run these companies are not as smart as people think they are.

So apple phones cost more than the the fruit because of greed. Has nothing to do with the cost of producing an iphone?

You people are hilarious.

Torgo posted...

The thing is, it depends entirely on the person checking out in self-check, and the cashier.

I don't really care about the minute to minute speed as long as it's being done at a reasonable rate either way... whatever, right?

I am perfectly okay with both types of checkout existing.

This.

WingsOfGood posted...

Very interesting.

So the basic principles is humans hate lines and would rather be given some sort of busy work instead?

Almost like you could force them to walk further rather than sit there.
I guess the idea is waiting in the line is wasting time even though realistically and truthfully it is saving time by being much faster.

crazy

what irrational beings people are

I hate line ups too. I feel like I have more personal space out of a line in any capacity. I prefer to self-checkout and not have the assclown behind me not breathing down my neck

WingsOfGood posted...

Acknowledging that it is unpaid work

Why do you call the self checkout unpaid work but you arent also in here railing against having to go through the store getting items yourself? How is that not also unpaid work going by your arguments here?

Tenlaar posted...

Why do you call the self checkout unpaid work but you arent also in here railing against having to go through the store getting items yourself? How is that not also unpaid work going by your arguments here?

Might as well consider putting items in your digital shopping cart unpaid work

Ivany2008 posted...

The only reason it isn't faster is because you have to lift out 1 item at a time. You give the option to make self checkouts like a regular checkout and it would be a much better comparison.

Self checkouts are a hell of a lot easier to look shit up on as well. Regular cashes from my experience of 6 years you have to remember the damn product code or look it up in a binder. Because for whatever reason self checkouts use a different interface than regular cashier interfaces. Because F you, that's why. Why wouldn't you want your employees to have an easy time checking in items.

Sorry, went off on a tangent.

Uh even when I did cashier work in the early 90s there's was a rolling catalog alphabetized with every item and the code. It took like 2 seconds to spin the tube to find the item.

Only weird cases was for items that didn't have a code and had to get rung up as "deli" or something like that.

WingsOfGood posted...

You buy 5 items and one uses a coupon.
Why would you wait in the one cashier lane due to the store reducing headcount?

Also you sound frustrated. Thought self checkout was super quick and issue less?
Hhaha

Let me guess. You stop in doorways to talk to people.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Uh even when I did cashier work in the early 90s there's was a rolling catalog alphabetized with every item and the code. It took like 2 seconds to spin the tube to find the item.

Only weird cases was for items that didn't have a code and had to get rung up as "deli" or something like that.

I was more or less making the case that self checkouts and regular checkouts use 2 different softwares. Self checkouts make finding foreign items a lot easier, if you know the name. Whereas in the rolodex it could be one of several different names.

Atralis posted...

So apple phones cost more than the the fruit because of greed. Has nothing to do with the cost of producing an iphone?

You people are hilarious.

Only to an extent. I'm not literally saying the cost of everything is the same. But corporations are so hyper-focused on profit that they will throw logic and anything resembling moral out the window if they know it can squeeze out some more profit.

I guess technically that makes them good at what they are doing, but it's pants-on-head stupid and harms everyone else.

We taking liberties with the word "proven" huh

Self check out is faster and easier. Also I get to avoid talking to anyone. Only downside: i often have to wait in line still.

ELI__2__SLAYTON posted...

We taking liberties with the word "proven" huh

TC is taking liberties with a lot of things in this thread.

I just pressed a button to get on the elevator. Guess Im working for the property management company at my apartment now.

ablegator posted...

I just pressed a button to get on the elevator. Guess Im working for the property management company at my apartment now.

Depends, man.
Did yo push the button for yourself, or because that guy who just walked in with you into the elevator said "fifth floor ,please"?

nah, it's way faster for me.

I dunno. Problem is I don't wanna wait in front of a line of people who have a shopping cart of groceries, while I have a few items, and there's like a self checkout kiosk that is available sooner.

And the really old clerks are slow. I wouldn't mind if I was the only one in line or only a few people ahead that didn't have a ton of items.

It also very much depends who's on the counter. Some operators are lightning fast, some are pretty slow.