Current Events > Jennifer Aniston condemns Antisemitism after liking Jamie Foxx's IG Post

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Taharqa_ posted...

Kanye and DeSean were out of pocket, but this is not an antisemetic trope though. Cultural context matters, and in the Black church it simply means to watch out for fake friends. As a kid growing up I heard this saying all the time, "Mama they talking about me" "Chile they talked about Jesus, what do you want to eat?"

This kind of reminds me of the time on social media where folks got mad at The Dream because he made a joke about "CP time", and people thought it meant cerebral palsy but everybody black knew what he meant...

Yeah it is. The accusation of deicide is one of the biggest antisemitic tropes in history. If you dont know that, you have some studying to do, because you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic_trope

You cant say cultural context matters, and then completely ignore the other culture.

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

Yeah it is. The accusation of deicide is one of the biggest antisemitic tropes in history. If you dont know that, you have some studying to do, because you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic_trope

You cant say cultural context matters, and then completely ignore the other culture.

I just said that cultural context matters but you just flew over that part didn't you? You're doing exactly what you are accusing me of doing by ignoring the meaning of the context when explained. Black vernacular is not rooted in white supremacy, theres not a single black person thinking about disrespecting an ethnic group or religion when that particular term is used.

Taharqa_ posted...

I just said that cultural context matters but you just flew over that part didn't you? You're doing exactly what you are accusing me of doing by ignoring the meaning of the context when explained. Black vernacular is not rooted in white supremacy, theres not a single black person thinking about disrespecting an ethnic group or religion when that particular term is used.

No I am not. Ive already explained to you what happened. Its not what was said, its who said it. What did you think I meant when I said Jamie Foxx is a victim of being associated with other African America celebrities who associated themselves with antisemitic tropes. Had Kanye and Kyrie and Desean and Nick Cannon and Ice Cube and the list goes on and on not said what they said, Jamie Foxx is not under the microscope. If there wasnt a record of African American celebs thinking positively of Louis Farkhann, this wouldnt be a problem. This has absolutely nothing to do with what goes on in Black Churches. It has everything to do with being another example in recent memory of an African American celebrity, thats the operative word by the way, being associated with an Antisemitic trope. Thats the context you ignored.

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

No I am not. Ive already explained to you what happened. Its not what was said, its who said it. What did you think I meant when I said Jamie Foxx is a victim of being associated with other African America celebrities who associated themselves with antisemitic tropes. Had Kanye and Kyrie and Desean and Nick Cannon and Ice Cube and the list goes on and on not said what they said, Jamie Foxx is not under the microscope. If there wasnt a record of African American celebs thinking positively of Louis Farkhann, this wouldnt be a problem. This has absolutely nothing to do with what goes on in Black Churches. It has everything to do with being another example in recent memory of an African American celebrity, thats the operative word by the way, being associated with an Antisemitic trope. Thats the context you ignored.

I fully understand the need to be on guard when it comes things like this, especially in these current times in America but Jaime is not comparable to those other celebrities in this instance. Jennifer Aniston, social media, TMZ etc are running with a narrative and Black folks are like wait, pump your brakes on this one.

Taharqa_ posted...

I fully understand the need to be on guard when it comes things like this, especially in these current times in America but Jaime is not comparable to those other celebrities in this instance. Jennifer Aniston, social media, TMZ etc are running with a narrative and Black folks are like wait, pump your brakes on this one.

Im not saying he is. Im saying that when it comes to antisemitism, my people have a tendency to be irrational. Theres an us against them thing born into our cultural identity. We even call ourselves the chosen people. And lest we forget, theres also the matter of our historical memory with the Holocaust, as well as in the United States you are seeing an alarming number of hate crimes against Jews in the last ten years.

So in Jamie Foxxs case, the critics of his post, those bothered by it, its not about the message or this single event. Its that the question exists regarding whether or not this is another example of a long list of similar events ranging from simple ignorance to complete hate from a very specific group of people. You can try to isolate Jamie from that group of people all you want, but in todays day and age given how unbelievably stupid people are especially on social media, Jamie has done something that was at least associated with something that he shouldnt be associated with.

Im not saying its rational or even that its Jamies fault. I genuinely take him at his word when he says his message was misunderstood. Im just giving you the lens to understand where the mindset came from that would cause alarm bells to ring for some people.

I will also add this. During the Civil Rights movement, there are plenty of examples of Jewish leaders standing with Dr. King against racism. African Americans and Jews also both know what its like to have a crazy white supremacist go into a house of worship and murder a bunch of innocent people simply because of their identities here in the US. In the Jewish mind, theres an idea that culturally we should be allies in the fight against hatred. So when you have the other black celebrities spewing antisemitic nonsense, theres also a WTF factor in that too, because you dont really see it going the other way here.

Is it silly? Perhaps. But, I think everyone who stands against hate can agree that when it comes to stamping it out, zero tolerance means exactly that, and I think social media has proven that the offended gets to decide whats offensive, not the other way around. Its probably a double standard at this point, but when it comes to cultural identity disputes, when is it not?

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

my people have a tendency to be irrational.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/7/6/AAe57MAADqfc.jpg

Well this topic went in a different direction.

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

Im not saying he is. Im saying that when it comes to antisemitism, my people have a tendency to be irrational. Theres an us against them thing born into our cultural identity. We even call ourselves the chosen people. And lest we forget, theres also the matter of our historical memory with the Holocaust, as well as in the United States you are seeing an alarming number of hate crimes against Jews in the last ten years.

So in Jamie Foxxs case, the critics of his post, those bothered by it, its not about the message or this single event. Its that the question exists regarding whether or not this is another example of a long list of similar events ranging from simple ignorance to complete hate from a very specific group of people. You can try to isolate Jamie from that group of people all you want, but in todays day and age given how unbelievably stupid people are especially on social media, Jamie has done something that was at least associated with something that he shouldnt be associated with.

Im not saying its rational or even that its Jamies fault. I genuinely take him at his word when he says his message was misunderstood. Im just giving you the lens to understand where the mindset came from that would cause alarm bells to ring for some people.

I will also add this. During the Civil Rights movement, there are plenty of examples of Jewish leaders standing with Dr. King against racism. African Americans and Jews also both know what its like to have a crazy white supremacist go into a house of worship and murder a bunch of innocent people simply because of their identities here in the US. In the Jewish mind, theres an idea that culturally we should be allies in the fight against hatred. So when you have the other black celebrities spewing antisemitic nonsense, theres also a WTF factor in that too, because you dont really see it going the other way here.

Is it silly? Perhaps. But, I think everyone who stands against hate can agree that when it comes to stamping it out, zero tolerance means exactly that, and I think social media has proven that the offended gets to decide whats offensive, not the other way around. Its probably a double standard at this point, but when it comes to cultural identity disputes, when is it not?

I receive everything you just said and understand that perspective. I have no tolerance when it comes to anti-black sentiment from outside (or inside) the community myself. We can acknowledge that some things have a certain meaning in one context and be on the lookout for it (we know what that looks like in the white supremacist context), but in another culture it can have a different meaning entirely and when expressed folks within the community know exactly what it means but others who are not familiar may not (and some may see it as another opportunity to drive a wedge and use divide and conquer tactics). We have to be careful at firing off the streetsweeper because the buckshots may hit who it shouldn't be intended for, Jaime ain't it in this case, that's all I'm saying.

This is what happens when those of us from a certain upbringing speak that way around people from middle america lol.

Wait thats how the story of Jesus goes? Im pretty sure Jesus was supposedly Jewish himself. And he was killed by the Romans.

boomgetchopped3 posted...

Wait thats how the story of Jesus goes? Im pretty sure Jesus was supposedly Jewish himself. And he was killed by the Romans.

True, but that hasnt stopped the authorities from pinning the blame on the Jews because theyre foreign and unpopular, and for the masses falling for it because they already hated the Jews and were eager for any excuse to step it up.

"Cultural differences"

Zombified_Toast posted...

Spoilers
its all fanfiction

True. Though it's more like the Bible is 50 Shades of Gray and Inferno is 50 Shades fanfiction.

boomgetchopped3 posted...

Wait thats how the story of Jesus goes? Im pretty sure Jesus was supposedly Jewish himself. And he was killed by the Romans.

He wasn't "supposedly" Jewish, he was literally Jewish: he was born to the tribe of Judah (his mom and step-dad were descendants of Judah)

Anyway Foxx meant "Judas" and not "Jew"

He was clearly talking about the Romans..

His friend who betrayed him must be Italian.

If the Jesus story actually happened, Judas was forgiven and the Romans were the ones who killed Jesus

It makes no sense to damn Judas for something that Jesus needed to happen

And it makes no sense that the Romans wouldn't want Jesus dead. My theory is that it used to be taught that Romans killed Jesus by the super early cult Christians. Then when the Roman Empire became Christian, they felt awkward so they retconned the crucifixion story to make it so the Jewish people had done it

Zikten posted...

And it makes no sense that the Romans wouldn't want Jesus dead. My theory is that it used to be taught that Romans killed Jesus by the super early cult Christians. Then when the Roman Empire became Christian, they felt awkward so they retconned the crucifixion story to make it so the Jewish people had done it

One of the Gospels, I think it was Matthew, is basically "the Jews want Jesus killed but they got no authority to do so so they convince the Romans to do it. The Romans tries to prevent it multiple times because they are really good guys, but the Jews forced them to do it".

Foppe posted...

One of the Gospels, I think it was Matthew, is basically "the Jews want Jesus killed but they got no authority to do so so they convince the Romans to do it. The Romans tries to prevent it multiple times because they are really good guys, but the Jews forced them to do it".

Is that really in the Gospels, or is it just part of the medieval production Passions of the Christ which was literally made to attack the Jewish population?

indica posted...

Is that really in the Gospels, or is it just part of the medieval production Passions of the Christ which was literally made to attack the Jewish population?

Read it.
It got Roman leaders that in every other source would kill every man, woman and child in a village that was rumored to host a rebel, but here they got no problems trying to free somebody that the Romans would normally kill.

Zikten posted...

My theory is that it used to be taught that Romans killed Jesus by the super early cult Christians. Then when the Roman Empire became Christian, they felt awkward so they retconned the crucifixion story to make it so the Jewish people had done it

Pretty sure that's not a theory, that's exactly what happened

FlyEaglesFly24 posted...

So again, I dont see anything inherently dangerous there. But I understand why some would

So Fox is being called bigoted because of the actions of a other African Americans. Okay think about that for a second . What do we call that ?

Euripides posted...

I'm curious what the 3rd way to "like" something is that is neither "on purpose" nor "by accident"

Social network quantum superposition

Yall make this harder than it has to be

Hey that vague comment you made seems to support antisemitism.

Im so sorry. That was not my intent. Ill be more clear next time.

Thanks.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

To give Jamie the benefit of the doubt, the post sounds like he's talking about a Judas within his own circle and not actual Jewish people, but maybe I'm missing something

this

Alucard188 posted...

Wouldn't be surprised if it's related to all of the public debasing that people did while he was recovering. He just chose a real bad metaphor to express it. I'm not ready to rule him as an anti-semite unless he has a history of doing so.

and this

i am all for shitting on anti semites but this doesn't come off like that imo and if i had read that post with those hashtags i wouldn't have assumed he meant jewish people.

cjsdowg posted...

So West is being called bigoted because of the actions of a other African Americans. Okay think about that for a second . What do we call that ?

kanye west? kanye is a nazi loving fucker. i don't think foxx is like that at all but kanye without a doubt is like that

bfslick50 posted...

Yall make this harder than it has to be

Hey that vague comment you made seems to support antisemitism.

Im so sorry. That was not my intent. Ill be more clear next time.

Thanks.

pretty much this. Its not a bad thing to raise concern. Its not a bad thing to clarify. And its not a bad thing to move on after realizing there isnt really a controversy here. But you have some people who believe that simply raising concern over a possible anti semitic comment is wrong. And you have some people that cant accept a simple explanation and just move on from it.

For all I know Jamie Foxx could be anti Semitic, but so far he hasnt demonstrated that he is.

andel posted...

kanye west? kanye is a nazi loving fucker. i don't think foxx is like that at all but kanye without a doubt is like that

I meant Foxx not West.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/0/6/AAP0tjAAEuqa.jpg

bfslick50 posted...

Yall make this harder than it has to be

Hey that vague comment you made seems to support antisemitism.

Im so sorry. That was not my intent. Ill be more clear next time.

Thanks.

Which is pretty much Jamie Foxs reaction so Im fine with it.

WellKnownNomad posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/0/6/AAP0tjAAEuqa.jpg

What in the

I think Jennifer probably accidentally liked it, she's not a boomer technically but kind of close...

Judas was literally possessed by the devil at the time and he was predestined to do what he did.

Priere posted...

Judas was literally possessed by the devil at the time and he was predestined to do what he did.

Wasn't the devil actually invented later long after the time of Jesus and inserted by church leaders into doctrine centuries later?

Torgo posted...

Wasn't the devil actually invented later long after the time of Jesus and inserted by church leaders into doctrine centuries later?

I dunno lol

I just go by what was written in the bible.

Priere posted...

I dunno lol

I just go by what was written in the bible.

Do you have the passage where it says Judas was possessed by the devil?

Torgo posted...

Do you have the passage where it says Judas was possessed by the devil?

Luke 22 and John 13
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Torgo posted...

Wasn't the devil actually invented later long after the time of Jesus and inserted by church leaders into doctrine centuries later?

In Jewish doctrine Satan is simply an Angel that presents the prosecutions case at Final Judgement.

Euripides posted...

I'm curious what the 3rd way to "like" something is that is neither "on purpose" nor "by accident"

That intern who runs your social accounts.

McMarbles posted...

In Jewish doctrine Satan is simply an Angel that presents the prosecutions case at Final Judgement.

I believe he's first mentioned in the story of Job and Satan is literally a translation of the Hebrew word "adversary" and wasn't meant to be any specific angel

MICHALECOLE posted...

What in the

Its true though

WellKnownNomad posted...

Its true though

What is that demographic

yeah his hashtags make more sense talking about friends.

he could still have black hebrew israelite beliefs, but i don't think this is definitive proof quite yet. people aren't always crisp in how they phrase things. i know i'm not.