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Gwynevere
08/06/23 12:13:23 PM
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Seem real shitty. You've been obsessed with justifying a dumb hypothetical just to engage in debate bro nonsense, instead of addressing the actual question of if restricting abortion is a violation of women's bodily autonomy. This is some pathetic joe numbers shit and warrants the same type of response.

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DraculaCrest
08/06/23 12:14:26 PM
#402:


I dont hate anyone over their personal beliefs.

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IfGodCouldDie
08/06/23 12:17:19 PM
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Like I know you probably think I'm some troll douche bag for engaging with the hypotheticals but I would like to add for clarification that the reason I believe I have a right to speak about it, is because ultimately bodily autonomy is a right every single person should have including men, it's just unfortunately a subject that disproportionately affects women and trans individuals. So while it is less likely that my body is ever going to be negatively affected by it, there are still people in my life that I love more than anything in this world that can be affected by it, so I just do what I can to prepare myself for arguments with people that want to take those rights away.

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IfGodCouldDie
08/06/23 12:29:05 PM
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This has already been defined for you, but I'm curious as to what examples of restrictions to bodily autonomy are you talking about. I don't remember that at this point.

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GranAures
08/06/23 12:32:38 PM
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This has already been defined for you, but I'm curious as to what examples of restrictions to bodily autonomy are you talking about. I don't remember that at this point.
Vaccines was one. Despite somebody showing you the door for wanting to be a typhoid Mary isn't taking away your choice.

It's just other people choosing not to associate with you.

And drunk driving and assaulting people. Those were his stellar examples of limiting bodily autonomy. Drunk driver being jailed for driving drunk, psych cases assaulting people, and anti-avxxers being denied service.

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IfGodCouldDie
08/06/23 12:50:26 PM
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Vaccines was one. Despite somebody showing you the door for wanting to be a typhoid Mary isn't taking away your choice.

It's just other people choosing not to associate with you.

And drunk driving and assaulting people. Those were his stellar examples of limiting bodily autonomy. Drunk driver being jailed for driving drunk, psych cases assaulting people, and anti-avxxers being denied service.
In what way do those situations violate someone bodily autonomy? I'll address each one of those individually, but I'd like to understand your thought process on how they violate a person's right to choose first.

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GranAures
08/06/23 1:23:46 PM
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In what way do those situations violate someone bodily autonomy? I'll address each one of those individually, but I'd like to understand your thought process on how they violate a person's right to choose first.
Ask homeslice, those are their examples. I had to laugh because it's been a hot minute since I've even sniffed the anti-vax spin of "my body my choice."

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IfGodCouldDie
08/06/23 1:26:18 PM
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Ask homeslice, those are their examples. I had to laugh because it's been a hot minute since I've even sniffed the anti-vax spin of "my body my choice."
If they haven't been involved in anyway for the topic aside from some asinine post about things that aren't actually bodily autonomy I'm going to assume they were just drive by shit posting.

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GranAures
08/06/23 1:32:33 PM
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If they haven't been involved in anyway for the topic aside from some asinine post about things that aren't actually bodily autonomy I'm going to assume they were just drive by shit posting.
Those were randy's examples. The very person trying to say no one else understands bodily autonomy while being the one to try to feed "but you can't assault someone.'

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IfGodCouldDie
08/06/23 1:35:21 PM
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Those were randy's examples. The very person trying to say no one else understands bodily autonomy while being the one to try to feed "but you can't assault someone.'
Oh, when you said homeslice I thought you meant a user by the name of homeslice lol

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GranAures
08/06/23 1:37:12 PM
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You seem very salty.


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GranAures
08/06/23 1:43:51 PM
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Not really. I wasn't the one upset by who another person chooses to respond to.

Besides, I saved you the trouble of repeating yourself on trying to equate banning assault to a bodily autonomy issue.

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IfGodCouldDie
08/06/23 1:46:47 PM
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Imprisonment or temporarily restraining someone when they are trying to hurt someone else is not a violation of their bodily autonomy, and trying to hurt someone is not an expression of one's bodily autonomy.

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IfGodCouldDie
08/06/23 1:56:31 PM
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I've been on her side the entire time, im just willing to engage in hypotheticals with people regardless of how asinine they might be.

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GranAures
08/06/23 1:56:49 PM
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Yet crying about vaccine mandates in a "my body my choice" context is an anti-vax narrative. And someone being shown the door because they aren't vaxed isn't a violation of bodily autonomy because they still have their choice it's other people choosing not to abide their typhoid Mary ass. You should maybe learn the sources of your own "counterpoints" before you go peddling them.

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You're not owed a response. If that upsets you, not my problem.

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IfGodCouldDie
08/06/23 1:57:16 PM
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Because it has nothing to do with bodily autonomy.

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Gwynevere
08/06/23 2:02:52 PM
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I'm not looking for engagement, I'm pointing out that purposefully or not, you're obfuscating the important parts of the abortion debate by deflecting to ridiculous fantasy land scenarios that people will never find themselves in, giving weight to the arguments people make to criminalize abortion. Finding the entire premise to be pointless does not mean I didn't understand your post and need to read it again.

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GranAures
08/06/23 2:03:40 PM
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And your others were assault amd drunk driving.

As such, you have presented no good examples. So care to tell us why you want to put assault, drunk driving, and being anti-vax in the same camp as abortion.

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IfGodCouldDie
08/06/23 2:07:27 PM
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How about this instead, why don't you explain how your examples relate to bodily autonomy because it's impossible to explain why they aren't if I don't understand why you think they do.

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GranAures
08/06/23 2:11:15 PM
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It's not a "lack of understanding," homeslice. Much like it isn't a lack of understanding that made another user's attempt to "but what if you had to sacrifice a toddler to get an abortion" hypothetical nonsense. You just didn't like the answer so you need to call everybody else stupid in a need to "win" the argument, something you have claimed of a separate user for daring to not engage you.

And how about you back up your own claims before expecting anybody else. You have claimed that being arrested for drunk driving amd being arrested for assault are violations well before anybody else has called you out on it, thereby the onus is on you to back up why they are violations of bodily autonomy first.

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GranAures
08/06/23 2:17:21 PM
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It was useless when you tried to put abortion in the same camp as assault and drunk driving.

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IfGodCouldDie
08/06/23 2:22:29 PM
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Because it has already been defined for you numerous times, there clearly is a lack of understanding about what it means. So you need to identify why the things that don't relate to bodily autonomy are conflating with bodily autonomy so I can explain to you how they are not related.

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Gwynevere
08/06/23 2:23:22 PM
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I understand them perfectly fine. I also understand that when it comes to topics like these, people with nothing to lose no matter which way the legislation pans out tend to love to turn this whole thing into a fun little debate class exercise, instead of engaging with the topic directly. Eventually, you have to actually answer the question of whether a woman has rights to her body, or if a fetus has rights to her body.

Not all hypotheticals are useful, or good. Especially when it just puts off answering hard questions that many women don't have the luxury of putting off forever.

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Jx1010
08/06/23 2:27:59 PM
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This topic is almost at 500.
Then we can all go back to normal and never hear about this again.

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IfGodCouldDie
08/06/23 2:29:58 PM
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Ok so at this point if you are genuinely curious and would like to move the conversation forward with me in any regard I need you to...
IfGodCouldDie posted...
identify why the things that don't relate to bodily autonomy are conflating with bodily autonomy so I can explain to you how they are not related.
If you are choosing not to do so then you are choosing to remain willfully ignorant, and that is entirely on you.

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GranAures
08/06/23 2:31:15 PM
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Gwynevere posted...
I understand them perfectly fine.
No, no. Nobody understands the deep "philosophical" depths of "can we force a woman to breastfeed a stranger's child and how does that comment on the morality of abortion" much like none of us truly understand the "nuance" of how stopping an assault is a violation of bodily autonomy amd how that should inform our opinion about abortion.

Much like we should regularly ask whether we would commit a blood sacrifice to commit an abortion.

We would all be truly lost without such wisdom.

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GreenKnight127
08/06/23 2:31:33 PM
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I dislike anyone with an extremely strong and stubborn stance on something without a shred of nuance.

I also hate how people lump all pro-life and pro-choice people into the same umbrella.

There are pro-life people I hate.

And there are pro-choice people I hate.

It all depends on how they uniquely behave and how they try to justify their stance or (more importantly) shove it in my face.


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Jx1010
08/06/23 2:38:38 PM
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What if the pro life girl is very pretty, hot and sexy?

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GranAures
08/06/23 2:50:30 PM
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That's nice, homeslice.

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IfGodCouldDie
08/06/23 2:53:29 PM
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Ok so take post 294 and explain why and how you believe it relates to drunk driving, stopping someone from assaulting another and anti-vaxx logic.

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IfGodCouldDie
08/06/23 4:08:46 PM
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Let me rephrase, how is their bodily autonomy being restricted, you've made it very clear that you believe that it is, im asking you to define how you believe it is being restricted in those scenarios. In what way is their bodily autonomy being restricted based on 294?

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GranAures
08/06/23 4:18:52 PM
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I see homeslice is doubling down on anti-vax rhetoric to continue to put abortion on the same tier as assault, drunk driving, and being an anti-vaxxer.

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