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ViewtifulJoe
11/14/23 5:46:41 PM
#151:


Zwijn posted...
My hottest take is that the mainline titles should get console releases.
I've tried playing these with controllers and also an arcade stick one time. Kinda funny but didn't feel great.
They made it to Steam though, maybe one day.

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GiftedACIII
11/17/23 6:54:25 AM
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ViewtifulJoe posted...
When I was really into the games, whenever I found a song I liked I'd immediately go see if any of the usual suspects had made a good metal/rock version. There used to be a guy on Youtube who would upload multi-hour compilations of arranges for each Touhou 10-12 character and stage. It disappeared at some point. Some of those were peak comfort and it was a great way to find rare arranges.
Maiden's Capriccio was one of those songs where for some reason it was always really difficult to find a lot of versions of it I liked. Something about it made people want to experiment and go crazy I guess.

dBu was the most consistent one for me back in the day. And yeah, there was a massive purge of Touhou cover channels due to a copyright abuser some time during 2019-2021 but I wasn't following it at the time.
https://www.reddit.com/r/touhou/comments/ah2oce/why_have_5_touhou_music_uploading_channels_been/
https://www.reddit.com/r/touhou/comments/mn9ga3/warning_alice_margatroid_channel_is_terminated/
I think there have been a few reupload channels but a lot are probably just gone now.

ViewtifulJoe posted...
That smaller hitbox was there for a long time, taking it away just seems wrong. Reimu is still the default until the homing shots are taken away. If that happens then I have no idea what ZUN's doing.

Yeah, I think it started with PCB TH7 and lasted all the way to 15. Honestly, maybe it's because the first time I played TH (EoSD) I used Marisa, but I've always been partial to the straightforward shot types since the homing bullets are usually visibly weaker and can home into enemies/objects you don't want them to home into. Sakuya A in DDC is a noticeable exception.

ViewtifulJoe posted...
I liked Tenshi's more than the other two. That was another song that was hard to find good arranges of. Which is kind of messed up because even though it's a side game, it's still a final boss theme.

lol yeah she's cool but I just find her a little bratty. Apparently her route is the final canon route so she gets away with everything and beats everyone up.

ViewtifulJoe posted...
Every now and then I see people try to put Byakuren down with these. Like sure Fires of Hokkai is different and some people like that but did they even hear the final boss theme it's competing with?

Orin kind of has this. Her stage theme is a lot more distinct at least. Maybe Yuugi earlier in 11 as well?
Aya's a weird case. See I think her stage theme in 10 stomps her boss theme (Which isn't even bad) but then she technically has a bunch of other themes in different games and spinoffs making up for it.

I think Keine's far and away the most severe case though. Old World might be the best song in that game meanwhile I struggle to remember what Plain Asia sounds like. And then she's in the extra stage so it's like she has a whole other stage theme for good measure.

Now this is just ridiculous to me. Fire of Hokkai is atmospheric sure and is on beat with the enemies on the screen but it's not a track I'd listen to outside of the game at all. Meanwhile, Emotional Skyscraper is one of my favorite TH tracks ever and it's such a well composed piece. It's also the theme that the credits use.

Now that you mention it, stage 5 themes in general seem to be like this barring a few exceptions. TH15, 16 and 17 all tend to have much better and received stage themes than their respective boss themes. You can tell that more effort is put into the stage 5 themes too due to how long they are compared to the other tracks.

Zwijn posted...
My hottest take is that the mainline titles should get console releases.

I've seen a number of people share this sentiment but I honestly can't imagine how hard it'd be to play the game with an analog stick. It's hard enough with the precise small movements of a keyboard.

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Zwijn
11/17/23 7:33:49 AM
#153:


GiftedACIII posted...
dBu was the most consistent one for me back in the day. And yeah, there was a massive purge of Touhou cover channels due to a copyright abuser some time during 2019-2021 but I wasn't following it at the time.
https://www.reddit.com/r/touhou/comments/ah2oce/why_have_5_touhou_music_uploading_channels_been/
https://www.reddit.com/r/touhou/comments/mn9ga3/warning_alice_margatroid_channel_is_terminated/
I think there have been a few reupload channels but a lot are probably just gone now.

Yeah, I think it started with PCB TH7 and lasted all the way to 15. Honestly, maybe it's because the first time I played TH (EoSD) I used Marisa, but I've always been partial to the straightforward shot types since the homing bullets are usually visibly weaker and can home into enemies/objects you don't want them to home into. Sakuya A in DDC is a noticeable exception.

lol yeah she's cool but I just find her a little bratty. Apparently her route is the final canon route so she gets away with everything and beats everyone up.

Now this is just ridiculous to me. Fire of Hokkai is atmospheric sure and is on beat with the enemies on the screen but it's not a track I'd listen to outside of the game at all. Meanwhile, Emotional Skyscraper is one of my favorite TH tracks ever and it's such a well composed piece. It's also the theme that the credits use.

Now that you mention it, stage 5 themes in general seem to be like this barring a few exceptions. TH15, 16 and 17 all tend to have much better and received stage themes than their respective boss themes. You can tell that more effort is put into the stage 5 themes too due to how long they are compared to the other tracks.

I've seen a number of people share this sentiment but I honestly can't imagine how hard it'd be to play the game with an analog stick. It's hard enough with the precise small movements of a keyboard.
I think it would be pretty easy actually, holding a shoulder button for the minute movements would feel ok. Ikaruga and so on worked for me just fine too.
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ViewtifulJoe
11/19/23 8:26:17 AM
#154:


GiftedACIII posted...
dBu was the most consistent one for me back in the day. And yeah, there was a massive purge of Touhou cover channels due to a copyright abuser some time during 2019-2021 but I wasn't following it at the time.
Ah. I thought I was seeing an unusual amount of videos with reupload in the description.
dBu was pretty good. Consistent/reliable are about what I'd call them too, almost every song gets a cover, nothing about the arrangement gets too crazy.
I really liked Iron Attack/Crow's Claw. Demetori was heavier than both but the way they'd rearrange songs was kind of hit or miss for me.
There's some good Eurobeat too.

GiftedACIII posted...
Yeah, I think it started with PCB TH7 and lasted all the way to 15. Honestly, maybe it's because the first time I played TH (EoSD) I used Marisa, but I've always been partial to the straightforward shot types since the homing bullets are usually visibly weaker and can home into enemies/objects you don't want them to home into. Sakuya A in DDC is a noticeable exception.
That really didn't come up much, the only time I'd really want to target something very specific is in 12 where you're trying to destroy a UFO quickly while a bunch of other stuff's on screen because you're counting on the screen wipe when it explodes to buy you some space.
The Reimu-Suika shot in 11 kind of had this covered. They generally always go forward and the homing can only drive them partially to the left or right.
I'm still never gonna complain about the homing shots being able to go sideways or backwards when an extra stage is flooding the screen with weak enemies though.

GiftedACIII posted...
lol yeah she's cool but I just find her a little bratty. Apparently her route is the final canon route so she gets away with everything and beats everyone up.
I don't know what to think of Touhou games having canon routes. I'm a fan of the ZUN watching from a distance through a pair of binoculars going "I'm not entirely sure what's happening." approach.

GiftedACIII posted...
Now that you mention it, stage 5 themes in general seem to be like this barring a few exceptions. TH15, 16 and 17 all tend to have much better and received stage themes than their respective boss themes. You can tell that more effort is put into the stage 5 themes too due to how long they are compared to the other tracks.
Hmm, let's see.
EOSD Stage 5 > Boss 5
PCB Stage 5 > Boss 5
IN Stage 5 > Boss 5
MOF Stage 5 << Boss 5
SA Stage 5 > Boss 5
UFO could go either way.
TD can't remember either
DDC Stage 5 < Boss 5
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GiftedACIII
11/22/23 5:21:19 AM
#155:


Zwijn posted...
I think it would be pretty easy actually, holding a shoulder button for the minute movements would feel ok. Ikaruga and so on worked for me just fine too.

Interesting. I've never tried a shmup on an analog stick now that I think about it. It's always been either a keyboard or a d-pad. I'll have to try it sometime.
ViewtifulJoe posted...
Ah. I thought I was seeing an unusual amount of videos with reupload in the description.
dBu was pretty good. Consistent/reliable are about what I'd call them too, almost every song gets a cover, nothing about the arrangement gets too crazy.
I really liked Iron Attack/Crow's Claw. Demetori was heavier than both but the way they'd rearrange songs was kind of hit or miss for me.
There's some good Eurobeat too.

Yep, although I heard even reupload channels were getting taken down at the start of this year.
Same, I generally covers that don't stray from the original too much. That's why I generally follow more amateur youtubers too, 3 ones I frequented are RichaadEB, falkkone, and Gametal. Demetori is another name I recall seeing a lot. Didn't they actually do a track in one of the fighting games? 14.5 and 15.5 were cool for how they utilized covers by different circles.

ViewtifulJoe posted...
That really didn't come up much, the only time I'd really want to target something very specific is in 12 where you're trying to destroy a UFO quickly while a bunch of other stuff's on screen because you're counting on the screen wipe when it explodes to buy you some space.
The Reimu-Suika shot in 11 kind of had this covered. They generally always go forward and the homing can only drive them partially to the left or right.
I'm still never gonna complain about the homing shots being able to go sideways or backwards when an extra stage is flooding the screen with weak enemies though.

The one I know off the top of my head is one of Sagume's spell cards in 15 where she sends a bunch of destroyable yellow meteors at you. Reimu's is ridiculously hard due to how her homing amulets go wild everywhere and it's so hard it's sometimes just easier to time out the spell by dodging the meteors while every other character can just shotgun in front of Sagume and capture the card relatively easily. The funny thing is that Sanae's also home in that game but her bullets are just super strong and she has the best shot type if it wasn't for Reisen's bomb giving you 3 extra lives with each bomb.

ViewtifulJoe posted...
I don't know what to think of Touhou games having canon routes. I'm a fan of the ZUN watching from a distance through a pair of binoculars going "I'm not entirely sure what's happening." approach.

All the routes in SWR are canon, it's just that hers happens last because she's the last unlockable character and her route references the other routes.

When it comes to the other games it's implied that all the routes are canon too due to how they reference all the characters having gone through them. Apparently some games do have a definitive "resolver" (usually Reimu) though and some characters apparently meet the other characters for the first time elsewhere.

ViewtifulJoe posted...
Hmm, let's see.
EOSD Stage 5 > Boss 5
PCB Stage 5 > Boss 5
IN Stage 5 > Boss 5
MOF Stage 5 << Boss 5
SA Stage 5 > Boss 5
UFO could go either way.
TD can't remember either
DDC Stage 5 < Boss 5
Huh.

I actually like Luna Dial much more than Pocketwatch. Might be a hot take but I personally think Pocketwatch is one of the weakest stage 5 themes and weaker than even the stage 1 and 2 themes while I find Luna Dial very underrated and better than the famous Flowering Night.
Agreed with Youmu.
I can go either way since I really like Reisen's theme but Cinderella Cage is pretty good too.
I can go either way with MoF too.
Agree with SA.
UFO stage 5 >>>> boss for me. It's actually one of the perfect examples where I think the stage theme, Makai city is one of the best stage themes in the game while I find the boss theme very weak, I think Shou's theme is actually the weakest boss theme in UFO.

Same with TD. Not a fan of Omiwa Legend but Holy Mausoleum is one of the best tracks in TD.

DDC is another one where both stage and boss themes are great. Reverse Idealogy is a top tier Touhou theme but the Shining Needle Castle is also a top tier stage theme.

Anyway, I looked up one of my UFO extra runs and it turns I've actually captured her last card once. I've forgotten I've found her so easy I nearly NMNB'd her. Unidentified "Rainbow UFO Invasion of Terror" is the one spell card I really had trouble with her. She's a lot easier than Byakuren where even with 4 extra lives I struggled with her.

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ViewtifulJoe
11/23/23 10:49:22 AM
#156:


GiftedACIII posted...
Yep, although I heard even reupload channels were getting taken down at the start of this year.
Same, I generally covers that don't stray from the original too much. That's why I generally follow more amateur youtubers too, 3 ones I frequented are RichaadEB, falkkone, and Gametal. Demetori is another name I recall seeing a lot. Didn't they actually do a track in one of the fighting games? 14.5 and 15.5 were cool for how they utilized covers by different circles.
I can't remember who did the songs for those but it seems likely.
Gametal was okay even if covering songs from all sorts of games made Touhou uploads infrequent. I didn't go for the other two though. When they were new I liked RichaadEB's but the longer I listened, the more they all started to sound the same. Now I avoid them because I know what to expect.
There was this Chaosangel guy a while ago and he had a whole playlist of rock covers which was full of winners, it was a pretty good way of finding new circles.

GiftedACIII posted...
The one I know off the top of my head is one of Sagume's spell cards in 15 where she sends a bunch of destroyable yellow meteors at you. Reimu's is ridiculously hard due to how her homing amulets go wild everywhere and it's so hard it's sometimes just easier to time out the spell by dodging the meteors while every other character can just shotgun in front of Sagume and capture the card relatively easily. The funny thing is that Sanae's also home in that game but her bullets are just super strong and she has the best shot type if it wasn't for Reisen's bomb giving you 3 extra lives with each bomb.
Looked it up. 15's ReimuA has two shot types so they don't force you to use homing shots, the guy in the video went into slow mode and fired down the middle. Beat the spellcard pretty fast.

GiftedACIII posted...
All the routes in SWR are canon, it's just that hers happens last because she's the last unlockable character and her route references the other routes.

When it comes to the other games it's implied that all the routes are canon too due to how they reference all the characters having gone through them. Apparently some games do have a definitive "resolver" (usually Reimu) though and some characters apparently meet the other characters for the first time elsewhere.
Oh well that works too. All the characters meet, final boss gets to look good in the process. Kind of reminds me of how Blazblue CS had all the arcade routes being the final boss constantly rerolling the timeline and getting the wrong results.

GiftedACIII posted...
I actually like Luna Dial much more than Pocketwatch. Might be a hot take but I personally think Pocketwatch is one of the weakest stage 5 themes and weaker than even the stage 1 and 2 themes while I find Luna Dial very underrated and better than the famous Flowering Night.
Agreed with Youmu.
I can go either way since I really like Reisen's theme but Cinderella Cage is pretty good too.
I can go either way with MoF too.
Agree with SA.
UFO stage 5 >>>> boss for me. It's actually one of the perfect examples where I think the stage theme, Makai city is one of the best stage themes in the game while I find the boss theme very weak, I think Shou's theme is actually the weakest boss theme in UFO.

Same with TD. Not a fan of Omiwa Legend but Holy Mausoleum is one of the best tracks in TD.

DDC is another one where both stage and boss themes are great. Reverse Idealogy is a top tier Touhou theme but the Shining Needle Castle is also a top tier stage theme.
I like Pocket Watch a lot. It's a weird sounding song. And you're in a weird place when it's playing. Not crazy about Luna Dial, but I have heard some arranges that up the intensity. Flowering Night is just one of those songs we've all accepted our fate on. It's going to be in every other Touhou video, like it or not.
Reisen's theme always makes me think of the fight. It's just kind of tedious and all the while the song's taking its time getting to that one part. It's not like you can sleepwalk through the fight either.
I think Shou's boss theme works best when you're new or trying for your first 1cc. It's going for a threatening sound and that works when that the big green spinning bars come out and you don't really understand how they work yet. Personally, I think Nazrin is the worst case of stage theme > boss theme in UFO.
While I was watching the 15 video from earlier I watched that game's stage 5 too. LOLK stage 5 > boss 5.

GiftedACIII posted...
Anyway, I looked up one of my UFO extra runs and it turns I've actually captured her last card once. I've forgotten I've found her so easy I nearly NMNB'd her. Unidentified "Rainbow UFO Invasion of Terror" is the one spell card I really had trouble with her. She's a lot easier than Byakuren where even with 4 extra lives I struggled with her.
Yeah rainbow UFO invasion is messy, even with the OP exploding frogs. Props on getting the last one though, my eyes used to break after looking at it for too long.

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GiftedACIII
11/26/23 6:21:15 AM
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ViewtifulJoe posted...
I can't remember who did the songs for those but it seems likely.
Gametal was okay even if covering songs from all sorts of games made Touhou uploads infrequent. I didn't go for the other two though. When they were new I liked RichaadEB's but the longer I listened, the more they all started to sound the same. Now I avoid them because I know what to expect.
There was this Chaosangel guy a while ago and he had a whole playlist of rock covers which was full of winners, it was a pretty good way of finding new circles.

Yeah, Gametal is more of a general coverer and he's only done a handful of 2hu songs. The ones he did do are great though. RichaadEB's covers actually variate quite a bit from the originals so you might want to check some of the newer ones out to see if your opinion on it might change. I'll have to check out the chaosangel guy. Is his channel still up?

ViewtifulJoe posted...
Looked it up. 15's ReimuA has two shot types so they don't force you to use homing shots, the guy in the video went into slow mode and fired down the middle. Beat the spellcard pretty fast.
Do you have a link that I could see?

ViewtifulJoe posted...
Oh well that works too. All the characters meet, final boss gets to look good in the process. Kind of reminds me of how Blazblue CS had all the arcade routes being the final boss constantly rerolling the timeline and getting the wrong results.

lol that sounds pretty funny. What happens to the final boss? Did the protagonists figure it out?

ViewtifulJoe posted...
I like Pocket Watch a lot. It's a weird sounding song. And you're in a weird place when it's playing. Not crazy about Luna Dial, but I have heard some arranges that up the intensity. Flowering Night is just one of those songs we've all accepted our fate on. It's going to be in every other Touhou video, like it or not.
Reisen's theme always makes me think of the fight. It's just kind of tedious and all the while the song's taking its time getting to that one part. It's not like you can sleepwalk through the fight either.
I think Shou's boss theme works best when you're new or trying for your first 1cc. It's going for a threatening sound and that works when that the big green spinning bars come out and you don't really understand how they work yet. Personally, I think Nazrin is the worst case of stage theme > boss theme in UFO.
While I was watching the 15 video from earlier I watched that game's stage 5 too. LOLK stage 5 > boss 5.

I just like Lunatic Eye's main riff a lot. I think it's very touhou-ey. She has a very good remix in ULIL too.
My problem with Shou is that her theme just sounds like a wild/generic trainer Pokemon battle. They're fine for Pokemon but I generally expect more elegant themes and catchier melodies from ZUN.
Lol UFO's stage 1 is one of the best stage 1 themes so that's to be expected. I could hear it in my head instantly despite having not heard it in years. I just went and checked Nazrin's theme but I don't think hers is that bad though. I think Shou and Nue's stages are much better than their boss themes. I really like Romance in the Sky while I've mentioned I'm not very fond of Nue's theme at all.

ViewtifulJoe posted...
Yeah rainbow UFO invasion is messy, even with the OP exploding frogs. Props on getting the last one though, my eyes used to break after looking at it for too long.

I think Nue's final card isn't as eye breaking as Byakuren's final card. My memories are coming back and I recall actually getting a bit woozy trying an entire hour with the spell practice patch to capture it while I caught Nue's final card in 10 or so minutes.

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ViewtifulJoe
11/27/23 4:22:08 PM
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GiftedACIII posted...
Yeah, Gametal is more of a general coverer and he's only done a handful of 2hu songs. The ones he did do are great though. RichaadEB's covers actually variate quite a bit from the originals so you might want to check some of the newer ones out to see if your opinion on it might change. I'll have to check out the chaosangel guy. Is his channel still up?
It is still up. And if the newer covers sound different now I could give it a look some time.

GiftedACIII posted...
Do you have a link that I could see?
I think I just typed in Touhou 15 Normal 1cc.
I also saw video where someone skipped the fight entirely. Like he kind of timed a bomb before the boss spawned and skipped the whole fight.

GiftedACIII posted...
lol that sounds pretty funny. What happens to the final boss? Did the protagonists figure it out?
It's more like the villain finally gets things to go the way he wants and the story is allowed to continue into the third game. Then it gets really garbled.

GiftedACIII posted...
I just like Lunatic Eye's main riff a lot. I think it's very touhou-ey. She has a very good remix in ULIL too.
My problem with Shou is that her theme just sounds like a wild/generic trainer Pokemon battle. They're fine for Pokemon but I generally expect more elegant themes and catchier melodies from ZUN.
Lol UFO's stage 1 is one of the best stage 1 themes so that's to be expected. I could hear it in my head instantly despite having not heard it in years. I just went and checked Nazrin's theme but I don't think hers is that bad though. I think Shou and Nue's stages are much better than their boss themes. I really like Romance in the Sky while I've mentioned I'm not very fond of Nue's theme at all.
I don't think Shou's meant to be that graceful. She has a guy's name, has a tiger motif, instead of using her own abilities she uses one of the magic treasures' power and has her minion do the same thing. It all takes place in Makai while the opponent team is getting really close to succeeding in their mission too. I don't mind the song choice.
UFO's extra stage theme is good for being unique too. Feels faster paced than all the other extra themes and goes really well with the miniboss fight. With the others it's like you're at a temple or building and are just slowly moving to a certain room, with UFO it's the whole sky and you're going fast until you catch up with the blue light so that's cool.

GiftedACIII posted...
I think Nue's final card isn't as eye breaking as Byakuren's final card. My memories are coming back and I recall actually getting a bit woozy trying an entire hour with the spell practice patch to capture it while I caught Nue's final card in 10 or so minutes.
Oh yeah that's a bad one. Lots of health, bombs don't clear the screen. I used to wonder if there were strategies where you could delay your shots to mess with the way the new projectiles spawn in and make it easier.

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C_Pain
11/27/23 4:23:00 PM
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I don't know what they are aside from the name

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FL81
11/30/23 12:10:39 PM
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surprisingly, it was Marisa

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IronChef_Kirby
11/30/23 12:29:41 PM
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The characters are kinda cringe and bullet hells are a pretty tedious genre, but some really bangin songs have come out of Touhou

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GiftedACIII
12/06/23 6:10:26 AM
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ViewtifulJoe posted...
It is still up. And if the newer covers sound different now I could give it a look some time.

Hartmann's Youkai girl, Emotional Skyscraper, and Idolatrize World are the ones I like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lQyfgivAco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cHlZSEld-c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuoN07wwOUg

ViewtifulJoe posted...
I think I just typed in Touhou 15 Normal 1cc.
I also saw video where someone skipped the fight entirely. Like he kind of timed a bomb before the boss spawned and skipped the whole fight.

Do you have a link? There are different results at varying times. And yeah, there are ways to cheese it but the fact that people opt to cheese it instead of fighting it normally shows its difficulty.

ViewtifulJoe posted...
It's more like the villain finally gets things to go the way he wants and the story is allowed to continue into the third game. Then it gets really garbled.

Does he lose?

ViewtifulJoe posted...
I don't think Shou's meant to be that graceful. She has a guy's name, has a tiger motif, instead of using her own abilities she uses one of the magic treasures' power and has her minion do the same thing. It all takes place in Makai while the opponent team is getting really close to succeeding in their mission too. I don't mind the song choice.
UFO's extra stage theme is good for being unique too. Feels faster paced than all the other extra themes and goes really well with the miniboss fight. With the others it's like you're at a temple or building and are just slowly moving to a certain room, with UFO it's the whole sky and you're going fast until you catch up with the blue light so that's cool.

Fair enough. But that still means I don't like the actual melody and composition of the song. Sakuya's EoSD battle has similar circumstances and I still like it a lot for having a distinct Touhou motif especially its final measures.

Yep, you described UFO's extra theme perfectly to me, which is why I'm a bit let down by Nue's theme since it slows down incredibly and has a blandish melody more fitting of a stage 1 boss imo.

ViewtifulJoe posted...
Oh yeah that's a bad one. Lots of health, bombs don't clear the screen. I used to wonder if there were strategies where you could delay your shots to mess with the way the new projectiles spawn in and make it easier.

Honestly probably the hardest final card in the series besides 15's Junko.

C_Pain posted...
I don't know what they are aside from the name
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnVfknqnTuo

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GiftedACIII
12/12/23 6:48:38 AM
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I didn't even realize the popularity poll finished lol

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ViewtifulJoe
12/15/23 12:59:13 PM
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Sorry, I got sidetracked. End of the year and some games I was really invested in.
I actually randomly caught a glance of a physical Touhou game at the game store the other day. It was surreal. It was a Touhou game on PS4 for 15 golden coins. What an unrepentantly strange future we live in.

GiftedACIII posted...
Does he lose?
Not really, Blazblue just gets more bent out of shape as it goes on. It's more like at the end the timeloop ends because the villain gets the outcome he wants and things proceed into the next game

GiftedACIII posted...
Do you have a link? There are different results at varying times. And yeah, there are ways to cheese it but the fact that people opt to cheese it instead of fighting it normally shows its difficulty.
That's my issue. It's hard to find a lot of things now. It's go no problem giving you musical arranges with no views that just went up earlier that day but the thing you're actually searching is a whole other matter.
Personally I think I'd go for the skip. It's only after becoming consistent at 1ccs I occasionally try to one-up my high score. Or if it's one of the games that gives lives in exchange for score, couldn't hurt.

GiftedACIII posted...
Fair enough. But that still means I don't like the actual melody and composition of the song. Sakuya's EoSD battle has similar circumstances and I still like it a lot for having a distinct Touhou motif especially its final measures.

Yep, you described UFO's extra theme perfectly to me, which is why I'm a bit let down by Nue's theme since it slows down incredibly and has a blandish melody more fitting of a stage 1 boss imo.
I can't agree with Nue's theme fitting for a stage 1 boss. It's not a high stakes fight or against someone particularly evil. It's an extra stage which means the fight taking a while is a given.
It's kind of like you came this far, might as well see the fight through. Song doesn't need to go fast because it's no longer a chase. It's just some random area in the sky and a fight against someone who's not really important but decided to show up anyway. I can enjoy that.

A stage one theme to me needs to sound like an adventure starting out small. This one sounds like an adventure winding down after the main threat's over and done with. It's less warming up for the real fights and more stretching and taking a breather.

GiftedACIII posted...
Honestly probably the hardest final card in the series besides 15's Junko.
(Looks Junko's up on Lunatic real quick) That's rough. Maybe without the purple bullets coming in from the side that'd be a lot more manageable but as is, it looks like it's all quick reflexes.

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12/26/23 6:14:57 AM
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ViewtifulJoe posted...
Sorry, I got sidetracked. End of the year and some games I was really invested in.
I actually randomly caught a glance of a physical Touhou game at the game store the other day. It was surreal. It was a Touhou game on PS4 for 15 golden coins. What an unrepentantly strange future we live in.

Yeah, no worries, I'm the exact same. Physical Touhou games are always funny because they actually get more mainstream attention than the official games which lead some people to think they are the official games when they're fan games. I've been seeing them since 2018 for the Switch.

ViewtifulJoe posted...
Not really, Blazblue just gets more bent out of shape as it goes on. It's more like at the end the timeloop ends because the villain gets the outcome he wants and things proceed into the next game

Does he lose in the next game?

ViewtifulJoe posted...
That's my issue. It's hard to find a lot of things now. It's go no problem giving you musical arranges with no views that just went up earlier that day but the thing you're actually searching is a whole other matter.
Personally I think I'd go for the skip. It's only after becoming consistent at 1ccs I occasionally try to one-up my high score. Or if it's one of the games that gives lives in exchange for score, couldn't hurt.

You can't find it anymore? Yeah, I always take a quick screenshot or jot down links of any interesting vid with low views I see these days since there's no guarantee I can ever find it again.
Anyway, logically it does make sense to go for skips but I have a drive inside me to try to make myself catch spell cards. I think it helps me improve and I believe it's what they "canonically" do in other media. I'll only go for skips if I really really have trouble with it (like Shou's dumb spinning spell card although I actually attempted to capture that in my final runs).

ViewtifulJoe posted...
I can't agree with Nue's theme fitting for a stage 1 boss. It's not a high stakes fight or against someone particularly evil. It's an extra stage which means the fight taking a while is a given.
It's kind of like you came this far, might as well see the fight through. Song doesn't need to go fast because it's no longer a chase. It's just some random area in the sky and a fight against someone who's not really important but decided to show up anyway. I can enjoy that.

A stage one theme to me needs to sound like an adventure starting out small. This one sounds like an adventure winding down after the main threat's over and done with. It's less warming up for the real fights and more stretching and taking a breather.

I honestly think Nazrin has a more energetic and hype inducing theme than Nue lol. Sure, that does make sense on its own but every other prior Extra boss was much more fast-paced and strong. Extra bosses were definitely not meant to be a breather lol. Now that you mention it though, I guess it does fit Nue a bit since she's the easiest Extra boss... well, there's also Mokou and Ran.

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(Looks Junko's up on Lunatic real quick) That's rough. Maybe without the purple bullets coming in from the side that'd be a lot more manageable but as is, it looks like it's all quick reflexes.

A Pristine Danmaku Hell is well known for being THE hardest spell card in the series. The best pro players spent months solely dedicated to capturing that one spell card.

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12/28/23 10:56:36 PM
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GiftedACIII posted...
Yeah, no worries, I'm the exact same. Physical Touhou games are always funny because they actually get more mainstream attention than the official games which lead some people to think they are the official games when they're fan games. I've been seeing them since 2018 for the Switch.
I knew they were out there, some RPG stuff and a Mario Kart inspired racer, but it took until now to finally see one. Even weirder thought, someone nearby knows what Touhou is.

GiftedACIII posted...
Does he lose in the next game?
No I don't think so. I didn't play the 4th game that comes after that one because they changed it too much, but I think that's where they wrap it up.

GiftedACIII posted...
You can't find it anymore? Yeah, I always take a quick screenshot or jot down links of any interesting vid with low views I see these days since there's no guarantee I can ever find it again.
Anyway, logically it does make sense to go for skips but I have a drive inside me to try to make myself catch spell cards. I think it helps me improve and I believe it's what they "canonically" do in other media. I'll only go for skips if I really really have trouble with it (like Shou's dumb spinning spell card although I actually attempted to capture that in my final runs).
I used to be like that. Probably because a lot of the titles were in Japanese and I had no faith I'd be able to find them again.
On one hand, capturing the spellcards comes off like the canonical approach but after a while, don't gameplay oddities get pulled into fan interpretations and become just as good? Like without ZUN saying otherwise, you can focus on the timeline where Sagume trips over a bomb, botches her entrance and there is no fight.
It's kind of like Dark Souls 1. I used to do all the fights normally with different builds. Now that's gotten old and I get more of a kick out of using weird unsporting strategies like hitting Capra and Manus from outside their boss rooms, unplugging O&S' AI and the like.

GiftedACIII posted...
I honestly think Nazrin has a more energetic and hype inducing theme than Nue lol. Sure, that does make sense on its own but every other prior Extra boss was much more fast-paced and strong. Extra bosses were definitely not meant to be a breather lol. Now that you mention it though, I guess it does fit Nue a bit since she's the easiest Extra boss... well, there's also Mokou and Ran.
That makes sense though and I don't think it really condemns Nue's. The palanquin ship crew have a mission. They're more immediately hostile toward the player.
With Nue it's like "Haha okay you finally caught me, let's throw some lasers at each other."
There's no real stakes, so I don't mind the song being calmer. With stuff like 6 and 11, you've found and aggroed the local crazy person so it makes sense they'd have those songs. I do think Mokou's easier than Nue, but it's the same kind of deal. Mokou's not really trying to win because she knows you can only antagonise for a while her at most and her song's pretty relaxed. And I know Suwako's also a no stakes fight but with a livelier song. Difference there is she's a deity whose fellow deity and underling lost to you, so she has to try and win some of her shrine's dignity back.

GiftedACIII posted...
A Pristine Danmaku Hell is well known for being THE hardest spell card in the series. The best pro players spent months solely dedicated to capturing that one spell card.
Harder than the Shoot The Bullet/Double Spoiler ones? I know there's some brutal ones in those games.

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01/10/24 4:42:53 PM
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Never played them.

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01/13/24 12:35:17 PM
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Toby Fox x ZUN collab song is here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko3Xg_sKq0w

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01/15/24 10:36:22 PM
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I think the Buddhists are way better than the Taoists.

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01/19/24 5:55:47 AM
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ViewtifulJoe posted...
I knew they were out there, some RPG stuff and a Mario Kart inspired racer, but it took until now to finally see one. Even weirder thought, someone nearby knows what Touhou is.

Sorry for the long wait, had some stuff going on. I take it you don't know anyone IRL who knows what Touhou is? I've seen a few people recognize it these days and even a decade ago during its heyday I had someone recognize the "Death Waltz" which I think I've mentioned earlier.

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No I don't think so. I didn't play the 4th game that comes after that one because they changed it too much, but I think that's where they wrap it up.

Ah I see, I know the feeling of not catching up to a newer game in the series that wraps up plots from older ones. In fact, I think that's where I'm at with Touhou now.

ViewtifulJoe posted...
I used to be like that. Probably because a lot of the titles were in Japanese and I had no faith I'd be able to find them again.
On one hand, capturing the spellcards comes off like the canonical approach but after a while, don't gameplay oddities get pulled into fan interpretations and become just as good? Like without ZUN saying otherwise, you can focus on the timeline where Sagume trips over a bomb, botches her entrance and there is no fight.
It's kind of like Dark Souls 1. I used to do all the fights normally with different builds. Now that's gotten old and I get more of a kick out of using weird unsporting strategies like hitting Capra and Manus from outside their boss rooms, unplugging O&S' AI and the like.

I'm pretty unique when it comes to Touhou since I tend to follow the official stuff over fan interpretations. I used to follow a few fanworks but eventually I focused on only following the official media, which there are already a whole ton of. The main thing with doing the spell cards is that when I actually try to capture them I notice how they're all pretty unique and it's actually interesting to puzzle out a way to beat them the way ZUN intended without a cheesy exploit. The decimal games like the photography games and the fighting games basically require you to capture spell cards too so I feel that to be consistent with them I should try to cap them in the main games too.

I'll admit I used to have fun with exploits too once I discover them for the first time. I remember finding out about the Strikers ditman glitch in resident evil 4 for the first time. Eventually though I do still think "playing it normally" optimally is what I find most enjoyable.

ViewtifulJoe posted...
That makes sense though and I don't think it really condemns Nue's. The palanquin ship crew have a mission. They're more immediately hostile toward the player.
With Nue it's like "Haha okay you finally caught me, let's throw some lasers at each other."
There's no real stakes, so I don't mind the song being calmer. With stuff like 6 and 11, you've found and aggroed the local crazy person so it makes sense they'd have those songs. I do think Mokou's easier than Nue, but it's the same kind of deal. Mokou's not really trying to win because she knows you can only antagonise for a while her at most and her song's pretty relaxed. And I know Suwako's also a no stakes fight but with a livelier song. Difference there is she's a deity whose fellow deity and underling lost to you, so she has to try and win some of her shrine's dignity back.

I'd say Mokou's theme is very fast. It's also in a minor key so it's definitely more on the intimidating energetic side than Nue's is, which is what I usually expect from an Extra boss.

ViewtifulJoe posted...
Harder than the Shoot The Bullet/Double Spoiler ones? I know there's some brutal ones in those games.

Easily. Those cards are meant to be captured. Pristine Danmaku Hell is basically what you save every bomb in your run for lol.
Powdered_Toast posted...
I think the Buddhists are way better than the Taoists.

I think pretty much everyone does. The buddhists not only have more members but they get more screentime as well.

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01/22/24 11:39:03 AM
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The four I've played are not in the style of the mainline games.

Touhou Luna Nights - style of a Metroidvania
Touhou Scarlet Curiosity - style of an ARPG
Touhou New World - style of an ARPG
Koumajou Remilia Scarlet Symphony - basically Castlevania 3

Luna Nights is fantastic. Scarlet Symphony and New World play fine, but better to wait for a significant sale. Scarlet Symphony feels awful to play and I didn't get far before I set it aside.
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01/25/24 11:12:53 AM
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Scarlet Symphony feels awful to play and I didn't get far before I set it aside.
the gameplay is apparently really dated, but it and its sequel have some of the best soundtracks I have ever heard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq7BQGIe1as
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B1AKpG0Ycw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J87dcYxrKwI

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I'll listen to those after work today. Touhou has some of the best soundtracks. Do you know of the sequel improves on the gameplay and controls?
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01/31/24 7:03:54 AM
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I played one of the stages on little big planet 2

It seemed faithful based on videos of the actual stage. Got the music,menu, and art style down. Only problem was that the fps would dip below 30 lol..

I've never played an actual touhou game tho. Not my type of genre. Only know about the series because of little big planet and people who keep mentioning its characters in fictional character battle forums lol.

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02/03/24 6:42:34 AM
#193:


Incurso91 posted...
The four I've played are not in the style of the mainline games.

Touhou Luna Nights - style of a Metroidvania
Touhou Scarlet Curiosity - style of an ARPG
Touhou New World - style of an ARPG
Koumajou Remilia Scarlet Symphony - basically Castlevania 3

Luna Nights is fantastic. Scarlet Symphony and New World play fine, but better to wait for a significant sale. Scarlet Symphony feels awful to play and I didn't get far before I set it aside.

The fangames are generally more accessible but I think there's just this level of charm that the original games have. They can be hard but things like practice patches or cheat engine makes it easier to handle.

Ratchetrockon posted...
I played one of the stages on little big planet 2

It seemed faithful based on videos of the actual stage. Got the music,menu, and art style down. Only problem was that the fps would dip below 30 lol..

I've never played an actual touhou game tho. Not my type of genre. Only know about the series because of little big planet and people who keep mentioning its characters in fictional character battle forums lol.
Huh, little big planet?
Do you have a video of this?


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02/16/24 3:58:26 AM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

What's up?
I don't really have much exciting to add right now.

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02/22/24 5:44:58 AM
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Looks like the official Terry Crews account referenced Reimu
https://twitter.com/terrycrews/status/1402659518710902787

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