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What if the pitbull was a gun?

Pit Bulls>>>>>Every other dog breed.

GranolaPanic posted...

We wont ever agree on this. But you do understand genocides dont start with the mass murder of the targeted group, right? It begins with demonizing them and taking rights away. Theres a genocide against trans people right now.

And it can apply to animals in a different context. Every single time Pitbull topics get posted, theres multiple users posting every last one or all of them and I think its obvious what they mean by that. Then theres all the talk of breeding them out of existence so they go extinct or mass confiscation and destruction of the breed.

Yes, I do understand that some people want certain dog breeds eliminated.

I also understand that it could be technically correct to label that 'genocide'.

However, I would refrain from doing do, as I would consider that offensive, given that it is a term we usually reserve for the very worst of crimes against humanity: crimes that are orders of magnitude more terrible than preventing pitbulls from breeding.

It bugs me that a person got bit by a dog once and made it their life's personality to hate on that dog's entire breed and make a website hating on them. Just feels fucking obsessive

Also, experts point out that if certain breeds such as Pit Bulls are regulated,
people with violent or irresponsible tendencies will simply find another breed to manipulate.

Maybe regulate those people then? Or anything at all?
Why is this so hard, Americans?

Kloe_Rinz posted...

Answer the question, stop dodging. Would you be in agreeance with lessons for dog owners before they are allowed to own dogs?

The question you asked him is ridiculous.

One dog is a laughable threat, the other us a deadly weapon that can easily mangle people. Your question tries to ignore that attempting to argue they're the same when they're not.

GranolaPanic posted...

And it can apply to animals in a different context.

No, it literally can't. That's the whole point. Learn what words mean.

Slayer_22 posted...

Yet you can't name a single person besides me, the one person you do name, myself, you have an absurd tag you can't back up, and the arguments you bring up cannot he cited at all for reference.

So you're going to tell me, with a straight face, that the following aren't in damn near every topic on pits?

"Chihuahuas are more likely to bite."
"It's like racism!"
"Blame the owner!"

Oh and literally GP in here with "DoG gEnOcIdE!"

If you're trying to tell me this isn't prevalent, you don't get to talk about misrepresentation.

ai123 posted...

I also understand that it could be technically correct to label that 'genocide'.

It isnt though. The definition of genocide limits it to human populations.

Anyone who willingly spay or neuter their pet participates in attempted genocide then?

pinky0926 posted...

No, I'm making a risk assessment here to just not do the thing.

Kinda like how people want to argue the best way to build a deep sea submersible and mitigate risk for adventure tourists, and I'm sitting here like...maybe just don't get in a deep sea submersible unless you have a really good reason to?

I feel the same way about gun ownership, btw, so this comes down to personal values. I think it's insane that people even own recreational guns to begin with, and find it odd that people will argue about the best and safest way to own a gun etc.

Your argument is that people shouldnt own pets at all which is even more absurd

NatsuSama posted...

The question you asked him is ridiculous.

One dog is a laughable threat, the other us a deadly weapon that can easily mangle people. Your question tries to ignore that attempting to argue they're the same when they're not.

the question is looking at the issue of dog ownership holistically. Something the anti-pit crowd repeatedly fails to do

Kloe_Rinz posted...

Your argument is that people shouldnt own pets at all which is even more absurd

Why is that more absurd than owning pets?
We're talking about claiming ownership of another living organism here.

ban dogs
pointless animal

GranolaPanic posted...

I explained how it applies and how genocide has other parts to it than mass killings of innocents. Why cant you understand this?

I don't think you have explained how it can be justified to apply the term 'genocide' to the elimination of a dog breed.

The term was coined to describe crimes against races, tribes, or groups of humans.

You wish to appropriate it for the emotional impact. But would you use it to describe programmes to eliminate malaria-spreading mosquitos? Or the New Zealand government's plan to eradicate rats?

Avirosb posted...

Why is that more absurd than owning pets?
We're talking about claiming ownership of another living organism here.

the fact people wont support training for dog owners in order for there to be more humane treatment of dogs. Its only an issue for some people for specifically pit bulls because theyve become a CE meme. Bring up the issue of training for chihuahua owners and you get trolls saying to simply punt the dog if its aggressive. Its not about better treatment for the dog at all for them

GranolaPanic posted...

I explained how it applies

And you're wrong. The literal definition of the word makes it impossible.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

the fact people wont support training for dog owners in order for there to be more humane treatment of dogs. Its only an issue for some people for specifically pit bulls because theyve become a CE meme. Bring up the issue of training for chihuahua owners and you get trolls saying to simply punt the dog if its aggressive. Its not about better treatment for the dog at all for them

Well, if a dog went for my legs I would make a point to go for their temple regardless of breed.

If they went for my throat, well, only a large-ish dog would be able to do that as I'm standing.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

the question is looking at the issue of dog ownership holistically. Something the anti-pit crowd repeatedly fails to do

That's still a bad comparison. Demonstrably.

It's comparing a dog breed you can easily punt across the room to a breed of dog that can maim or kill you with ease.

Then disingenuously asking a question that pretends we should treat the bite from the thing that's hardly an iota of threat to my existence to a thing that can easily maim or kill me.

Ignoring that isn't helping your cause.

GranolaPanic posted...

Having logical concerns about the breed is reasonable. But this board goes seriously overboard with the hate and constant fear mongering.

Is it constant fear mongering when there are constant instances of it? You downplaying the frequency is gross.

NatsuSama posted...

That's still a bad comparison. Demonstrably.

It's comparing a dog breed you can easily punt across the room to a breed of dog that can maim or kill you with ease.

Then disingenuously asking a question that pretends we should treat the bite from the thing that's hardly an iota of threat to my existence to a thing that can easily maim or kill me.

Ignoring that isn't helping your cause.

Its not disingenuous to point out that the anti-pit crowd is demonstrably not actually looking to improve the issue of bad dog ownership and lack of training. And theres been no argument to the contrary either. Just jokes (or worse, serious posts) about punting dogs all over the place

Chrknu posted...

No other dog breed has fallen victim to stereotypes as much as Pit Bulls have.

Maybe if they stopped killing everything in sight, for like no reason, they wouldn't have this "sTeReOtYpE"

Kloe_Rinz posted...

Its not disingenuous to point out that the anti-pit crowd is demonstrably not actually looking to improve the issue of bad dog ownership and lack of training. And theres been no argument to the contrary either. Just jokes (or worse, serious posts) about punting dogs all over the place

i would be okay with that
pit bull owners should be trained and the dog should have to be confined to your property where the only person it will eat is you

steve_madsci posted...

Pitbull bites aren't any worse than similarly sized dogs. Literally the only thing special about pitbulls is the hysteria

Why do people say shit like this? Yes their bites are significantly different. They don't let go.

The most interesting thing about pitbulls is that I've never met an owner who wasn't an aggressive douchebag compensating for something.

You'll never see them owned by reasonable individuals.

GunmaN1905 posted...

The most interesting thing about pitbulls is that I've never met an owner who wasn't an aggressive douchebag compensating for something.

You'll never see them owned by reasonable individuals.

Yes, a major contributor to the stereotype

GranolaPanic posted...

Culling an invasive species or pest that can affect the health of humans and other animals is a different matter.

How is it different? It's still the elimination of a breed of animal. If culling pitbulls is genocide, so is culling rats. The definition cannot just apply to species you like. Or are there 'good' genocides that you can justify because they save people from harm?

I feel I should be reserved the right to own a great white shark IMO.
Though I suppose I could settle for a hippo.

Chrknu posted...

(Topic title is intentional. I know it's just an educated opinion)

Educated opinion: "damn all the data. This one guy worked with 100s of pit bulls and they were all nice so he's right."

If a dog bites you you are probably gonna need a shot, regardless.
You never know where a dog's mouth has been.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

Its not disingenuous to point out that the anti-pit crowd is demonstrably not actually looking to improve the issue of bad dog ownership and lack of training. And theres been no argument to the contrary either. Just jokes (or worse, serious posts) about punting dogs all over the place

Treating the threat of a chihuahua and the actual threat of a pitbull the same is not seeking to actually improve the issue either.

The fact that we at all think chihuahuas are a fair point in comparison to a pitbull. Comparing the two at all like they share an equal threat at all, no matter how you try to spin the angle on "improving the issue" says a lot.

Also, It is not always the owner or training like pit lovers always claim. Arguments to the contrary are always there, they just go ignored like always.

ai123 posted...

How is it different? It's still the elimination of a breed of animal. If culling pitbulls is genocide, so is culling rats. The definition cannot just apply to species you like. Or are there 'good' genocides that you can justify because they save people from harm?

Genocide is something you do to people. You cannot "genocide" animals.

GranolaPanic posted...

Pests and vermin can spread disease and affect ecosystems. Pitbulls even with their tendencies are a breed of domesticated dog that dont have this problem.

Not the point. If you want to call the elimination of a breed 'genocide', then it's still genocide, even if you think there is a good reason for it.

What definition of 'genocide' are you using anyway? Be clear about that, please.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Genocide is something you do to people. You cannot "genocide" animals.

I think it is a misappropriation of the term. And a pretty offensive one at that.

Chrknu posted...

Remember that there are certainly aggressive Pit Buls, but there are also aggressive Chihuahuas

Aggressive chihuahuas can't kill people.

This topic won't do shit when there's a new news worthy mauling every single day.

Let me guess, not only are the stats misleading but the media is too right? It's all a gigantic and deep conspiracy against pit bulls.

GranolaPanic posted...

I dont downplay it. I know theres a problem that needs to be addressed. Ive repeatedly said that measures need to be taken and licenses should be required to own the breed.

The problem here is this board only cares about dog attacks when it involves a Pitbull. They simply dont care when its any other breed responsible for an attack.

Be the change you want to see in the board instead of just being reactively defensive to this particular breed

Tyranthraxus posted...

Educated opinion: "damn all the data. This one guy worked with 100s of pit bulls and they were all nice so he's right."

Lol

Tora_Sami posted...

I say you're the delusional one, friend.

He's not your friend, guy

GeminiGuy posted...

He's not your friend, guy

He's not your guy, buddy!

if people just had cats (the superior animal) we wouldn't have to have this argument every day.

Gritty posted...

What if the pitbull was a gun?

Spiritlittle posted...

Pit Bulls>>>>>Every other dog breed.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/4/5/AAb05zAAERFR.jpg
Still my favorite pro pitbull post of all time.

-_rustykranz_- posted...

He's not your guy, buddy!

He's not your buddy, pal!

pinky0926 posted...

This is such a stupid argument, I don't know why it becomes a focal point for people interested in defending pit bulls.

A feral cat is more aggressive than a grizzly bear. But people aren't afraid of feral cats, gee I wonder why.

The point is that people often bring up that PitBulls are mor eagressive or feral in general, whuch they are not, it's just that other agressive dogs cant do shit about it lol.

I4NRulez posted...

It doesnt matter. In any of the pit bull topics that come up i post similar information and the topics still go towards stats that are cherry picked.

They do the exact thing they complain about with the pitbull lovers. Statistics hand picked to fit a narrative while ignoring the bigger picture.

Yeah pretty much. I don't care about pitbulls one way or the other, but after a certain while you just realize the same people making anti-pitbull topics have a problem they aren't going to to address. Now I just block the people making them so I don't have to see their issues wonk any longer.

GeminiGuy posted...

He's not your buddy, pal!

he's not your pal, boss!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12257079/Pet-poodle-mauled-dog-owner-bitten-Staffy-attack-Spearwood-Perth.html

poodle mauled, pet owner mauled in the face

https://kfor.com/news/local/woman-hurt-dog-killed-in-vicious-dog-attack/

pet killed, owner mauled

https://www.cbsnews.com/pittsburgh/news/2-children-attacked-dog-hopewell-township/

2 11 year olds mauled

https://www.fox19.com/2023/06/14/west-chester-dog-attack-2-hospitalized-dog-owners-arm-severed/

2 mauled, one has arm severed from body

https://au.news.yahoo.com/bride-dog-mauled-unprovoked-attack-wedding-231917985.html

bride and her pet mauled before wedding

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/06/22/rockport-dog-attack-texas-man-mauled-to-death/70342321007/

man mauled to death in the street

what's the common thread here? well yes, put bulls, but also these all happened within the last month. these also aren't all of them, i just get kind of sick after a while. pit bulls are responsible for more maulings and fatal accidents than the other 9 dogs in the top 10 put together. they were bred for fights, tenacity, and gameness. the breed is inherently dangerous, which is why there is breed specific legislation in almost every developed country on the planet. there is zero argument that can be brokered against these facts, except for the wonderful anecdotal "all the pits i met were so nice!" or "its the owner not the dog!" to make an analogy this board might understand, imagine if guns were sentient and actually could kill people, and an appreciable percentage were game to do so. now that's an argument for gun control if i ever heard one.