Current Events > How many of you believe the rescue attempt of that titanic submersible will be

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Considering how small it is, I doubt they even have air left if it's still intact:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/3/0/AABfkMAAElcK.jpg

Raptornado posted...

Nixon had a speech drawn up for the possibility that they got stranded on the moon.

I had heard rumors of a cyanide pill..etc... Not sure if true or not though

Haejin posted...

No way it will be sucessful, it does not seem like anyone actually cares or gives a fuck, kind of sad that 5 lives are at stake and everyone is standing around twiddling their thumbs. I hate humanity.

These people spent $250K to do a thing that was made very clear to them comes with a considerable risk of death. Even without considering the likelihood of their survival or the spent resources and risks of any attempt at rescue, why does not caring about this make anyone hate worthy? Most of us agree that this sort of unregulated device shouldn't exist in the first place

500 migrants died off the coast of Europe a few weeks back and no one did a fucking thing when the distress calls came in.

Kinda sick to think if you are a billionaire you get special treatment but thats just the way of the world I guess.

IMNOTRAGED posted...

These people spent $250K to do a thing that was made very clear to them comes with a considerable risk of death. Even without considering the likelihood of their survival or the spent resources and risks of any attempt at rescue, why does not caring about this make anyone hate worthy? Most of us agree that this sort of unregulated device shouldn't exist in the first place

I think its more the difference between not caring and some people actively celebrating the issue. Or maybe its just a perceived lack of empathy people are getting hung up on.

https://twitter.com/DrChrisParry/status/1670868373515665439

Yikes

That's ridiculous. Known structural issues, but they just... let the voyage happen?

Also the coast guard isn't equipped for deep sea rescue

SHRlKE posted...

500 migrants died off the coast of Europe a few weeks back and no one did a fucking thing when the distress calls came in.

Kinda sick to think if you are a billionaire you get special treatment but thats just the way of the world I guess.

Didn't Greece actually radio in and they turned down help for hours? Or was that disproven?

CableZL posted...

That's ridiculous. Known structural issues, but they just... let the voyage happen?

The tourists were paying a lot of money to make this trip happen, so I'm sure it was a case of the operators not wanting to pass up the cash even if it was risky and/or the millionaires throwing their money at the situation until they got what they wanted.

If nothing else, tragic hubris is on brand for the location.

if this thing is at the bottom of the ocean and the people are actually alive, is there even any way to get them?

and fuck no I would never do that

From I have seen in the media sounds like at best they are deep underwater or at the surface. At worst the submersible blew up and they are already dead. And with the best case scenario if they arent found in 3-4 days they are dead regardless if the submersible is intact.

So odds seem to point toward them not making it. And I wouldnt go on a trip like that. I dont really have interest in seeing the Titanic wreck.

ALIEN_WORK2HOP posted...

if this thing is at the bottom of the ocean and the people are actually alive, is there even any way to get them?

not really. First off, just finding this submersible in the ocean would be like finding a hay in a needlestack just because of how dark it is, then I don't think anything they sent down to find it would be as properly equipped as it should to be able to hoist it back to the surface. However supposedly the ballasts that weigh it down are supposed to dissolve within 16~24 hours so it should automatically float back up to the surface if it isn't entangled in anything. However the submersible has no beacon to signal where it is and it's unable to be opened from the inside

so hopefully they're floating around on the ocean surface waiting to be rescued before they run out of air, I think that's honestly the only shot for rescuing survivors

CBS News journalist David Pogue, who traveled to Titanic aboard the Titan last year, said the vehicle uses two communication systems: text messages that go back and forth to a surface ship and safety pings that are emitted every 15 minutes to indicate that the sub is still working.

Both of those systems stopped about an hour and 45 minutes after the Titan submerged.

"There are only two things that could mean. Either they lost all power or the ship developed a hull breach and it imploded instantly. Both of those are devastatingly hopeless, Pogue told CBC on Tuesday.

The submersible had seven backup systems to return to the surface, including sandbags and lead pipes that drop off and an inflatable balloon. One system is designed to work even if everyone aboard is unconscious, Pogue said.

Experts said the rescuers face steep challenges.

Alistair Greig, a professor of marine engineering at University College London, said submersibles typically have a drop weight, which is a mass they can release in the case of an emergency to bring them up to the surface using buoyancy.

If there was a power failure and/or communication failure, this might have happened, and the submersible would then be bobbing about on the surface waiting to be found, Greig said.

source: https://www.wftv.com/news/rescuers-race/COGFN6LLTWS4P4QRW5KF5VEVBA/

So there is a chance of rescue, but a very slim one. And even in the best case scenario, that they're all alive and floating on the surface of the ocean, they'd still have to be found before they use all of their air, and that clock is ticking.

CableZL posted...

That's ridiculous. Known structural issues, but they just... let the voyage happen?

Also i reckon commercial submarine is just so niche and isn't heavily regulated. Isn't the invisible hand of the market beautiful? They knew its a problem but will not be a problem legally until shit happens, so they chose to be cheap and shit actually happen they are in a bigger trouble.

It's pretty sad that this is considered more important than the 500 people who just drowned crossing to Europe by the general news.

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Pretty much, sadly.

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i vaguely remember the 500 migrants story, where were they from, and what country were they sailing to?

Apparently they were playing celine dion during the descent

Hayame_Zero posted...

Considering how small it is, I doubt they even have air left if it's still intact:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/3/0/AABfkMAAElcK.jpg

Oh, hell no. That shit should have never gotten off the drawing board.

is that a picture of how it is inside the titanic submersible? it isn't a picture of the actual one, that was lost was it?

Imagine letting a fart rip in there

CedarPointcp posted...

is that a picture of how it is inside the titanic submersible? it isn't a picture of the actual one, that was lost was it?

That's what the inside looked like. There's more pictures in the BBC article:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65960217

Yeah, any of you have thought about how uncomfortable the bathroom situation must be in those kinds of subs?

s0nicfan posted...

That's what the inside looked like. There's more pictures in the BBC article:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65960217

Titan sub: Cramped vessel is operated by video game controller

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s0nicfan posted...

That's what the inside looked like. There's more pictures in the BBC article:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65960217

Oh, any of you know if this is the same company that did James Cameron's famous dives? He went down like 5 times iirc

CedarPointcp posted...

Oh, any of you know if this is the same company that did James Cameron's famous dives? He went down like 5 times iirc

Nah. Cameron worked with established undersea exploration agencies. This company is more like comparing SpaceX to NASA, where it foregoes safety standards in exchange for speed of development and accepts that the occasional explosion is better than red tape.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Outer space and the bottom of the sea are the absolute most terrifying places to die IMO

My greatest fear is being stranded in space, but I suppose this scenario is the same thing as well.

s0nicfan posted...

Nah. Cameron worked with established undersea exploration agencies. This company is more like comparing SpaceX to NASA, where it foregoes safety standards in exchange for speed of development and accepts that the occasional explosion is better than red tape.

Oh so are these subs not as high tech as Cameron's. Etc.....?

CedarPointcp posted...

Oh so are these subs not as high tech as Cameron's. Etc.....?

Newer technology, but (from the BBC article):

OceanGate says it is an experimental vessel, and when CBS travelled onboard the correspondent had to sign a waiver accepting that it "has not been approved or certified by any regulatory body, and could result in physical injury, disability, emotional trauma or death".

In a press release in 2019, the company explained why the Titan had not been classed by an independent body. "Bringing an outside entity up to speed on every innovation before it is put into real-world testing is anathema to rapid innovation," it said.

In a promotional video, OceanGate Expeditions software security expert Aaron Newman tells prospective clients that travelling on the sub is "not a ride at Disney, you know".

"There's a lot of real risk involved, and there's a lot of challenges," he says.

But in 2018, submersible experts expressed "unanimous concern" over the experiment approach taken by Oceangate when building the Titan and warned of potential "catastrophic" issues with its design.

In a letter to Mr Rush unearthed by the New York Times, the Marine Technology Society said the company was making "misleading" claims about its design exceeding established industry safety standards.

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Both stories are covered here in Sweden

Yeah that company is probably facing a huge lawsuit

CedarPointcp posted...

Oh, any of you know if this is the same company that did James Cameron's famous dives? He went down like 5 times iirc

No but the man with the most titanic dives was onboard

Thewinner14 posted...

No but the man with the most titanic dives was onboard

the ceo of the submersible company right?

CedarPointcp posted...

the ceo of the submersible company right?

Him too.

But I was referring to Paul-Henri Nargeolet who is also the research manager for RMS Titanic Inc, the company that owns the caretaking rights to the site

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Imagine if one of them was a blonde white girl. The current coverage would be nothing in comparison.

s0nicfan posted...

Nah. Cameron worked with established undersea exploration agencies. This company is more like comparing SpaceX to NASA, where it foregoes safety standards in exchange for speed of development and accepts that the occasional explosion is better than red tape.

To expand on the analogy, the Dragon capsule has no physical controls. Just a touchscreen.

The submersible didn't even have that. Just a single button.

Not sure why a tether isn't mandated for these kinds of submersibles.

Apparently an exemployee warned of it not being safe before they got fired. Fuckin nuts man. Sad that these people died.

https://newrepublic.com/post/173802/missing-titanic-sub-faced-lawsuit-depths-safely-travel-oceangate

All they had to do was use an established submersible design. Too much to ask I guess.

This thing was designed by throwing shit at the wall and seeing what stuck.

Starks posted...

All they had to do was use an established submersible design. Too much to ask I guess.

This thing was designed by throwing shit at the wall and seeing what stuck.

Seriously, that looks like something a kid would design.

Not hopeful that they'll survive. Also I would never do something this insane

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I was going to say he obviously knew nothing about nasa, especially their testing and design phases.

Haejin posted...

No way it will be sucessful, it does not seem like anyone actually cares or gives a fuck, kind of sad that 5 lives are at stake and everyone is standing around twiddling their thumbs. I hate humanity.

People care, but realistically, it's damn near impossible that they're still alive or going to be found alive. It sucks but it's better to accept that fact rather than hope for the impossible. If Kursk, K-129, Thresher, and Scorpion all sunk with all hands, and those were actually designed properly, why would this glorified piece of pipe they're in have a chance?

Add to that, the Coast Guard really doesn't know what they're doing here. Underwater search and rescue isn't exactly a well tested field. The Navy knows how to search, and they found the Thresher in short order, but even now they'd have a hard time actually rescuing anyone. Navy Submariners tend towards "if something goes wrong, I'll die down here" thinking.

Perhaps Elon Musk can use one of his inventions to rescue them? He can bring Jeff Bezos and Mark Zuckerburg with him to help

s0nicfan posted...

That's what the inside looked like. There's more pictures in the BBC article:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65960217

"Before the sub begins its dive, a support team locks the crew inside by closing the hatch from the outside and sealing it shut with 17 bolts."

Heeeell no x1000.