Current Events > Synthetic human embryos created in lab

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tremain07 posted...

I'm more scared less of this being possible but what kind of life these mana born people are gonna have, are they gonna be living normal lives us or will the be living inhuman lives raised to be this or that with no contact with other humans who aren't suits and white coats?

Whatever it is it likely won't be good.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

The capitalist class trying to displace workers and replace them with obedient slaves

Pretty much this. Don't have to give em vacation, they don't need bathroom breaks or insurance. They won't unionize or demand their cut of the profits. It's literally the basis for a huge chunk of the cyberpunk genre.

I say we make all the synthetic scum work in the mines.

thronedfire2 posted...

An actual humans created in a lab wont even be considered people, theyll be property of whatever company owns the technology copyright

Source? Because that sure as hell violates all sorts of human rights laws and sounds like pure fear mongering.

Enclave posted...

Source? Because that sure as hell violates all sorts of human rights laws and sounds like pure fear mongering.

CE thinks movies are real life and that fiction is the future of our reality.

Pikachuchupika posted...

Imagine if this is how humans are made in the future. Wow

It will be once the sexbots are released.

Enclave posted...

Source? Because that sure as hell violates all sorts of human rights laws and sounds like pure fear mongering.

Why would a synthetic being get human rights if they're not actually human?

Revelation34 posted...

Why would a synthetic being get human rights if they're not actually human?

At what point is human "human"?
The HeLa cell line is technically human, and completely immortal, but it has no rights.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeLa

Hornswoggled posted...

I say we make all the synthetic scum work in the mines.

they took our jobs!

People keep saying these people will work in the mines and do our jobs for us with no rights

How do we know this doesn't go the opposite direction and they're all smarter and more gifted then us? How do we know this isn't the Gundam Seed route?

In all seriousness, this is a bit off-putting though.

itachi15243 posted...

How do we know this doesn't go the opposite direction and they're all smarter and more gifted then us?

Silicon has replaced carbon. The machine brains are already smarter.

SaikyoStyle posted...

Entire generations of synthetic, disposable people

Except if you are trying to be cynical, let me point out that the current work force is cheaper. Our parents, our parents' tax $'s and our student loans paid for us.

I'd rather just have Dinosaurs

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Makes me wonder what the limit actually is. Surely humans aren't peak sapient? It's gotta be possible that a creature could get more intelligent and sapient than human!

Synths!

Enclave posted...

Source? There's plenty of kids that don't have parents and they're not raised to be cheap slave labour so why would these people be?

Enclave posted...

The State, just like if a baby is born to a woman who dies in child birth who has no other family.

This is stuff we already figured out as a society, humans have rights regardless of who they're born from.

Have we already figured this out as a society? I think you've got your head in the sand about this:

National Foster Youth Institute recently estimated that 60 percent of child sex trafficking victims have been within foster care (or another part of the larger child welfare system).

Compared to their peers, former foster youth are more likely to end up in prison. One in five former foster youth nationwide are homeless at 18. Seventy percent of female former foster youth are pregnant before their 21st birthday. 61.4% of Foster students graduated HS in 2022 compared to 87.3% for non-foster students. Under 3 percent of all former foster youth go on to obtain a college degree eventually.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/0/4/AARb7LAAEl8k.jpg

I don't really see what's so off putting about this. I mean the potential for abuse is quite disturbing, but the actual act of creating people seems like a non issue to me. It's more or less the same biological process, it just doesn't take place inside a womb. Still requires the same fundamental building blocks of a human

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Tentacruel?

Enclave posted...

Source? Because that sure as hell violates all sorts of human rights laws and sounds like pure fear mongering.

...but are they human?

is a question that won't be answered in courts until after many years of them serving as slaves

Are they gonna be hot or will they be as bland looking as possible

Mr_Karate_II posted...

I'd rather just have Dinosaurs

yeah cedar point guy, i completely agree

BGleason22 posted...

Have we already figured this out as a society? I think you've got your head in the sand about this:

National Foster Youth Institute recently estimated that 60 percent of child sex trafficking victims have been within foster care (or another part of the larger child welfare system).

Compared to their peers, former foster youth are more likely to end up in prison. One in five former foster youth nationwide are homeless at 18. Seventy percent of female former foster youth are pregnant before their 21st birthday. 61.4% of Foster students graduated HS in 2022 compared to 87.3% for non-foster students. Under 3 percent of all former foster youth go on to obtain a college degree eventually.

Because we don't have the foster system perfect doesn't mean we haven't figured out as a society what to do with children who have no family. What an absolutely asinine attempt at a "gotcha".

thronedfire2 posted...

...but are they human?

is a question that won't be answered in courts until after many years of them serving as slaves

Why wouldn't they be? They have the composition of humans, they're human. There's zero chance you're going to have people synthetically created as slave labour, it's just a ridiculous idea. Tech like this would end up being used by people who cannot reproduce to have a child that's genetically theirs. The idea that corporations will produce slaves with this tech is just absolute science fiction.

Getting awfully close to artificial immortality here. If an AI can learn and simulate the behavior of a person, and you can create a synthetic version of a person, we're really just a combination and implementation away from being able to install "mock consciences" from the dead.

Enclave posted...

Because we don't have the foster system perfect doesn't mean we haven't figured out as a society what to do with children who have no family. What an absolutely asinine attempt at a "gotcha".

Why wouldn't they be? They have the composition of humans, they're human. There's zero chance you're going to have people synthetically created as slave labour, it's just a ridiculous idea. Tech like this would end up being used by people who cannot reproduce to have a child that's genetically theirs. The idea that corporations will produce slaves with this tech is just absolute science fiction.

nah youre just being blissfully ignorant about how greedy corporations are

Enclave posted...

Because we don't have the foster system perfect doesn't mean we haven't figured out as a society what to do with children who have no family. What an absolutely asinine attempt at a "gotcha".

A predatory and abusive system means that we haven't figured it out.
It's sad that you can't see that and instead think it's an attempt to win at the internet.

So if they are created from stem cells, then could you use the cells from an abortion or miscarriage to give them a second chance?

BGleason22 posted...

A predatory and abusive system means that we haven't figured it out.
It's sad that you can't see that and instead think it's an attempt to win at the internet.

Or you don't understand the painfully obvious point I'm making in that we're not going to make humans wards and slaves of corporations when we already have systems in place for how we deal with humans who lack parents. The problems with that system are another matter entirely, I am starting to understand that this apparently is a difficult concept for some to grasp.

thronedfire2 posted...

nah youre just being blissfully ignorant about how greedy corporations are

No, i just understand laws enough to know humans without a family go into foster care or orphanages rather than slavery.

Corporations have no morals but we do have a system of laws that reign them in to some degree and stopping them from breeding slave stock is thankfully something we largely stopped in most of the world.

Enclave posted...

Or you don't understand the painfully obvious point I'm making in that we're not going to make humans wards and slaves of corporations when we already have systems in place for how we deal with humans who lack parents. The problems with that system are another matter entirely, I am starting to understand that this apparently is a difficult concept for some to grasp.

The system that you are talking about is CURRENTLY doing exactly what you say they wouldn't do...

BGleason22 posted...

The system that you are talking about is CURRENTLY doing exactly what you say they wouldn't do...

Source. Show me a source where let's say Burger King is raising orphans and enslaving them to work in restaurants to serve us food in the USA please.

Enclave posted...

Source. Show me a source where let's say Burger King is raising orphans and enslaving them to work in restaurants to serve us food in the USA please.

I provided the source in my first response. You seem to be having a hard time keeping track of what I'm responding to, I haven't said anything about corporations. You claimed that the state has perfectly capable systems to take care of people without parents.

I've provided evidence showing the state absolutely does not have a capable system. In fact it's a predatory and abusive system.

You continue to scoff at the thought that people under state control could become slaves. It's happening today, to children! Not just slavery, but sex trafficking.... And you want to continue to argue.

BGleason22 posted...

I provided the source in my first response. You seem to be having a hard time keeping track of what I'm responding to, I haven't said anything about corporations. You claimed that the state has perfectly capable systems to take care of people without parents.

I've provided evidence showing the state absolutely does not have a capable system. In fact it's a predatory and abusive system.

You continue to scoff at the thought that people under state control could become slaves. It's happening today, to children! Not just slavery, but sex trafficking.... And you want to continue to argue.

Are you referring to the sex trafficking statistic you posted? Because that's literally not what is being discussed at all. Unless your claim is that corporations are raising orphans and forcing them into prostitution in which case give me a damn source.

Enclave posted...

Source. Show me a source where let's say Burger King is raising orphans and enslaving them to work in restaurants to serve us food in the USA please.

did you not hear about the 12 year old kids working in meat packing factories a few months ago?

not to mention all the undocumented children supporting this economy that republicans like to pretend don't exist

Crimsoness posted...

Synthetic girlfriends when?

It's going to be like that movie The Elizabeth Harvest, where rich guys have [censored spoilers] and, uh, yeah.

On the other hand, seems Warhammer 40k might have the Space Marines part down well before 4k.

Enclave posted...

Because we don't have the foster system perfect doesn't mean we haven't figured out as a society what to do with children who have no family. What an absolutely asinine attempt at a "gotcha".

Why wouldn't they be? They have the composition of humans, they're human. There's zero chance you're going to have people synthetically created as slave labour, it's just a ridiculous idea. Tech like this would end up being used by people who cannot reproduce to have a child that's genetically theirs. The idea that corporations will produce slaves with this tech is just absolute science fiction.

Are they people then?

thronedfire2 posted...

did you not hear about the 12 year old kids working in meat packing factories a few months ago?

not to mention all the undocumented children supporting this economy that republicans like to pretend don't exist

Show me the papers that showed those kids were wards of the meat packing plant and that the plant was not breaking any laws.

I really am shocked that this is a difficult concept for some people.

Revelation34 posted...

Are they people then?

If left as an embryo, no, of course not. If raised to the developmental level of a baby then obviously. Is this some anti-abortion attempt at a gotcha?

Gwynevere posted...

I don't really see what's so off putting about this. I mean the potential for abuse is quite disturbing,

That is the point.
The capability is fine, it's just who's in control of it and for what purpose it's used.
And it's not fear mongering to be wary of what big corporations will levy for.

Enclave posted...

Source? Because that sure as hell violates all sorts of human rights laws and sounds like pure fear mongering.

Human rights laws are lax in some countries. Coincidentally those will probably also be the countries big businesses put their labs in...

Full_Pokedex posted...

CE thinks movies are real life and that fiction is the future of our reality.

Given the US's best efforts to make The Handmaid's Tale a reality, it's a safe bet.

Enclave posted...

Show me the papers that showed those kids were wards of the meat packing plant and that the plant was not breaking any laws.

I really am shocked that this is a difficult concept for some people.

you want me to show you the papers on undocumented laborers?

If anything they would far more likely be used to harvest organs for transplants.

Revelation34 posted...

If anything they would far more likely be used to harvest organs for transplants.

something about Ewan McGregor and a giant Xbox...

@Enclave

I've never agreed with BGleason on anything ever on this board, but he's completely right about this. As it is, being put in the foster care system is one of the quickest ways to a terrible life within the US, as it drastically increases your risk of physical or sexual abuse, homelessness, low educational attainment, criminal justice involvement, you name it. And that's with humans that are uncontroversially fully human.

The fact that something is illegal doesn't mean it doesn't happen, especially to people without power or undesirables.

Questionmarktarius posted...

something about Ewan McGregor and a giant Xbox...

I never watched that movie. My first exposure to an idea like that was from an episode of Sliders.

legendary_zell posted...

@Enclave

I've never agreed with BGleason on anything ever on this board, but he's completely right about this. As it is, being put in the foster care system is one of the quickest ways to a terrible life within the US, as it drastically increases your risk of physical or sexual abuse, homelessness, low educational attainment, criminal justice involvement, you name it. And that's with humans that are uncontroversially fully human.

The fact that something is illegal doesn't mean it doesn't happen, especially to people without power or undesirables.

Then you like him have a problem with understanding the point I'm making and I'm getting really tired of explaining this. As long as companies aren't the legal guardians of orphans and forcing them into slavery at the McDonald's they own? It's entirely irrelevant to my point.

People are saying that a synthetically created human would be essentially used this way and I'm saying that's bullshit. The fact that there's issues with the foster system that absolutely needs looking at is just completely a different issue than the thread at hand.

It honestly feels like people kinda realised that I was right and it's pure fear mongering that they've tried to go "look, squirrel!" to distract from the obvious conspiracy theory nonsense that I was speaking out against this whole damn time.