Poll of the Day > Do you have any self defense weapons in case of home invasion

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OhhhJa posted...

Not every gun owner keeps it loaded in their nightstand just so ya know

I am used to people from the US thinking our gun laws to be idiotic, I was not expecting you to basically adhere to them of your own accord.

Edit: I would also not call the gun and ammo being in separate locked safes to be "readily available".

To the point that I think the law here even dictates, that if you have the time to take your gun and ammo from the locked safes, you have the time to consider alternate options and thus it would be murder and not self-defence if you shot someone with it.

Nichtcrawler-X posted...

I am used to people from the US thinking our gun laws to be idiotic, I was not expecting you to basically adhere to them of your own accord.

I'm well aware for sure that a lot of americans are absolute morons with guns. Even my parents used to keep their guns easy to access and as an adult with a family of own now i can't imagine doing that myself

Nichtcrawler-X posted...

If you have a loaded gun where your kid can acquire it, you are a bad parent.

Husbot keeps his Winchester mounted and loaded above the bedroom fireplace. It's behind an oaken locked door, unless we are in bed, 10 feet away from it.

I keep my beretta in the closet, behind another locked door, with 6 shells of low recoil buck on a shelf next to it.

Rein is a responsible little girl though. She knows guns are not toys, and frankly she is a much better shot than I am.

All that said, it is weird how much time people who have no kids spend judging people who do

MightBeOverSoon posted...

All that said, it is weird how much time people who have no kids spend judging people who do

I was thought empathy. I am still horrified by stories where a kid somehow found their uncle's gun, brought it to school and killed a classmate with it while showing it off.

Whether I have kids or not, does not change that.

Nichtcrawler-X posted...

I was thought empathy. I am still horrified by stories where a kid somehow found their uncle's gun, brought it to school and killed a classmate with it while showing it off.

Whether I have kids or not, does not change that.

Are you also horrified by the millions of responsible gun owners who own them without issue and never fire them at another person? Because despite what the news would have you believe, they make up over 99.9%of gun owners

MightBeOverSoon posted...

Are you also horrified by the millions of responsible gun owners who own them without issue and never fire them at another person? Because despite what the news would have you believe, they make up over 99.9%of gun owners

I already posted the numbers I found in the topic. This discussion is about using guns for self-defence, not merely owning guns.

Nichtcrawler-X posted...

I already posted the numbers I found in the topic. This discussion is about using guns for self-defence, not merely owning guns.

You posted skewed numbers that did not account for or at all or list percentages of the gun owning public who own firearms for self defense, yes.

Nichtcrawler-X posted...

Edit: I would also not call the gun and ammo being in separate locked safes to be "readily available".

Well, the bullets aren't in a safe. Just a separate location from the gun that's in the safe. And I only have the one gun. It's obviously not the most readily available but i could make it happen pretty quick if need be and nerves don't get me lol. It's just the most ideal vs safety balance with having a toddler in the home. If it was just me and the wife, I'd probably just keep it in the nightstand

I have a metal bat I have pretty much always kept near my bed since I was a kid. One good swing would probably knock out any intruders. I might consider a gun in 30 or so years when I get too old to effectively use the bat anymore.

That said, I have never had to use the bat. Yay living in the middle of nowhere!

My best weapon is my cold hard logic.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/5/4/AAFUswAAEkUq.jpg

I have a suppressed Sig MPX that's pretty much the perfect home defense gun in my opinion. I keep it loaded up with 147grn Federal HST so it stays sub-sonic. Not exactly heavy firepower, but I figure 30 rounds of 9mm should be plenty to take on a couple of midnight visitors, and I don't have to worry about blowing out my eardrums in the process.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/9/7/AAFUswAAEivx.jpg

My home invasion protection is living in a house that's very close to much, much bigger houses that would have much, much more valuable shit to steal

adjl posted...

Unless you've made enemies of criminals (which you might have. That's your business, and extra defensive steps make sense if you have), there isn't much basis for that assumption. The vast, vast majority of B&E's are property crimes, with any violence being secondary to that initial intent and usually a result of somehow cutting off their escape. It's part of why the risk of being murdered is doubled for those in gun-owning households: Those with guns for self-defense are more likely to escalate the situation into violence because they think their guns will protect them if they do so. Subsequent to that, the number of armed households in America increases the likelihood that simple burglars will pre-emptively arm themselves for the purpose of their own self-defense (speaking literally, not legally) if they get caught.

Everyone likes to think they're going to be that one justifiable case and that they're too competent/stable to ever end up contributing to one of the accidental deaths or suicides.

Now, generally speaking, the latter is true for those that store their guns safely: locked up such that only they have access unless they're immediately in use (namely, carrying). But a whole lot of people don't, and the NRA works very hard to make sure it's not actually legally required for gun owners to be so conscientious.

How does a burglar accidentally die when escaping a house?

Nichtcrawler-X posted...

I am used to people from the US thinking our gun laws to be idiotic, I was not expecting you to basically adhere to them of your own accord.

Edit: I would also not call the gun and ammo being in separate locked safes to be "readily available".

To the point that I think the law here even dictates, that if you have the time to take your gun and ammo from the locked safes, you have the time to consider alternate options and thus it would be murder and not self-defence if you shot someone with it.

If somebody has a weapon then it would definitely not be murder.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/4/5/AAQwHjAAEkax.jpg

from what ive been reading about dutch self defense laws its basically illegal to carry anything that might need used as a weapon for self defense essentially law abiding citizens cant be prepared to defend themselves against others that have no issue with committing violent crimes which seems to really help criminals more than innocents

Less weapons in active use also means less accidents involving them.

My limp dick and mind that runs on 8 tracks at once

Nichtcrawler-X posted...

Less weapons in active use also means less accidents involving them.

criminals dont care about laws so if they are the only ones carrying weapons there is nothing to deter them from attacking an unarmed population

potdnewb posted...

criminals dont care about laws so if they are the only ones carrying weapons there is nothing to deter them from attacking an unarmed population

Usually the cause of such attacks is escalation.

The threat of violence does not necessarily lead to violence. Answering it with another threat of violence, or outright violence, is more likely to.

potdnewb posted...

criminals dont care about laws so if they are the only ones carrying weapons there is nothing to deter them from attacking an unarmed population

"Arm the teachers" logic

keyblader1985 posted...

"Arm the teachers" logic

that is a leap of logic and something i didn't state

keyblader1985 posted...

"Arm the teachers" logic

As a new parent with family members that are properly trained and licensed to carry, I'd have no issue with a properly trained, licensed and vented teacher carrying in their classroom, not to pursue an active shooter but to be able lock their the classroom with the ability to defend their students from danger. Obviously, none of the students should know their teacher is armed.

potdnewb posted...

from what ive been reading about dutch self defense laws its basically illegal to carry anything that might need used as a weapon for self defense essentially law abiding citizens cant be prepared to defend themselves against others that have no issue with committing violent crimes which seems to really help criminals more than innocents

self defense doesn't require a weapon

ReturnOfFa posted...

self defense doesn't require a weapon

it many cases it helps

The Dutch mindset is that stuff can be replaced, but not human life.

Which is why it is so weird to me that the US mindset is more along the lines of "attack, attack, attack", despite health care being way more expensive there, making any injury potentially worse.

Nichtcrawler-X posted...

The Dutch mindset is that stuff can be replaced, but not human life.

Which is why it is so weird to me that the US mindset is more along the lines of "attack, attack, attack", despite health care being way more expensive there, making any injury potentially worse.

All of the people I know are of the mindset "defend, defend, defend".

SunWuKung420 posted...

All of the people I know are of the mindset "defend, defend, defend".

While I can understand parrying/deflecting/blocking with a knife or sword, that seems a lot more awkward to do with a gun.

ReturnOfFa posted...

self defense doesn't require a weapon

Yeah you gotta hit them with that internet kung fu.

Nichtcrawler-X posted...

The Dutch mindset is that stuff can be replaced, but not human life.

Which is why it is so weird to me that the US mindset is more along the lines of "attack, attack, attack", despite health care being way more expensive there, making any injury potentially worse.

Nobody can afford to replace shit now.

Revelation34 posted...

Nobody can afford to replace shit now.

Property insurances cover theft.

Nichtcrawler-X posted...

The Dutch mindset is that stuff can be replaced, but not human life.

It's weird to me that so many people place so much more value on the life of a degenerate criminal than their victims

Nichtcrawler-X posted...

Property insurances cover theft.

Nobody can afford shit either.

One handgun in my bedside drawer. One handgun in the kitchen. Hunting knife under my side of the mattress.