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COVxy
04/25/23 12:51:23 PM
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https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/24/florida-surgeon-general-covid-vaccine-00093510
Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo personally altered a state-driven study about Covid-19 vaccines last year to suggest that some doses pose a significantly higher health risk for young men than had been established by the broader medical community, according to a newly obtained document.

Ladapos changes, released as part of a public records request, presented the risks of cardiac death to be more severe than previous versions of the study. He later used the final document in October to bolster disputed claims that Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines were dangerous to young men.
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Antifar
04/25/23 12:53:47 PM
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Now, to me, that's bad.

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masterpug53
04/25/23 12:54:11 PM
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Dude was an obvious DeSantis lapdog the moment he refused to mask up around a cancer survivor and had to be removed from the building (hell, his name is one letter away from being an anagram of 'lapdog' ffs).

I can't get out of this shithole state fast enough.

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Beveren_Rabbit
04/25/23 12:55:09 PM
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now this makes me question vaccines and circumcision :C

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AlCalavicci
04/25/23 1:03:40 PM
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Lock him up

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MabusIncarnate
04/25/23 1:06:02 PM
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Why can't I tag joe numbers

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Heartomaton
04/25/23 1:08:41 PM
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MabusIncarnate posted...
Why can't I tag joe numbers

Got the right number?

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Fin_Dawg_004
04/25/23 1:10:18 PM
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Jail. For a loooong time

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Dat_Cracka_Jax
04/25/23 1:11:30 PM
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Why? Like why would someone actually do this? You're not saving anyone because the study showed there was not a significant risk of taking the vaccine. WHY? It boggles my mind trying to think about these people's actions logically

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ViewtifulGrave
04/25/23 1:11:32 PM
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littlebro07
04/25/23 1:12:36 PM
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Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...
Why? Like why would someone actually do this? You're not saving anyone because the study showed there was not a significant risk of taking the vaccine. WHY? It boggles my mind trying to think about these people's actions logically

To support the narrative that vaccines bad

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MabusIncarnate
04/25/23 1:12:49 PM
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Heartomaton posted...
Got the right number?
No man I only know it's numbers lol

When I do the @ thing and joe nothing comes up.

There's a lot of people it won't work for. Maybe I cocked something over in my settings.

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Funkydog
04/25/23 1:14:03 PM
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Jail and permanent loss of medical license and ability to hold any political office.

Anything else is a disgrace.

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Jiek_Fafn
04/25/23 1:14:04 PM
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More proof that the vaccine is bad. You didn't see Lapado doing this before the jab

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Heartomaton
04/25/23 1:16:58 PM
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MabusIncarnate posted...
No man I only know it's numbers lol

When I do the @ thing and joe nothing comes up.

There's a lot of people it won't work for. Maybe I cocked something over in my settings.

Here, I got you brah.

@joe40001

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bigblu89
04/25/23 1:21:02 PM
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Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...
Why? Like why would someone actually do this? You're not saving anyone because the study showed there was not a significant risk of taking the vaccine. WHY? It boggles my mind trying to think about these people's actions logically

Simple answer, it furthered the right's talking point that the Covid vaccines were dangerous.

You know, the vaccines that Trump took credit for and the right praised him for up until the moment he lost the election.

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masterpug53
04/25/23 1:21:36 PM
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Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...
Why? Like why would someone actually do this? You're not saving anyone because the study showed there was not a significant risk of taking the vaccine. WHY? It boggles my mind trying to think about these people's actions logically

Ladapo's goal is to elevate the political clout of the man who appointed him with the only currency either of them have: endless culture war bullshit.

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Dat_Cracka_Jax
04/25/23 1:28:32 PM
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littlebro07 posted...
To support the narrative that vaccines bad
But why. I just can't figure what there is to gain from that

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hockeybub89
04/25/23 1:29:26 PM
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Life in prison

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UnfairRepresent
04/25/23 1:34:21 PM
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It;s called projection

The far right do it constantly

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legendary_zell
04/25/23 1:34:24 PM
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It's so easy for them to believe in politically motivated conspiracies because they're constantly engaged in them. They fundamentally believe everyone is awful as them and is simply hiding it like they are.

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littlebro07
04/25/23 1:34:40 PM
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Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...
But why. I just can't figure what there is to gain from that

Because they can't admit they're wrong, that shows weakness. And conservatives hate weakness.

it's really fucking stupid, but so are they

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Mew
04/25/23 1:35:11 PM
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AlCalavicci posted...
Lock him up


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untrustful
04/25/23 1:39:22 PM
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If a student did this and was found out, they'd be seriously punished for it, but I guess the florida government is ok with false information in scientific studies.

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Shadow_Don
04/25/23 1:40:37 PM
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anti vax freaks will ignore this

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WBC_Injury
04/25/23 1:47:41 PM
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Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...
Why? Like why would someone actually do this? You're not saving anyone because the study showed there was not a significant risk of taking the vaccine. WHY? It boggles my mind trying to think about these people's actions logically

Cognitive dissonance is a terminal disease for republicans
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CADE_FOSTER
04/25/23 1:49:55 PM
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Dat_Cracka_Jax
04/25/23 1:53:37 PM
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Shadow_Don posted...
anti vax freaks will ignore this
Or they'll make unfounded claims that the study was biased and this guy is making sure the masses know the truth. There is always some BS they can claim

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mybbqrules
04/25/23 6:35:31 PM
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Yeah, that's where the (always true) statements of "with Republicans, every accusation is a confession" and "with Republicans it's always projection" come from.

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thronedfire2
04/25/23 6:43:36 PM
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Florida officials definitely didn't lie about the covid death numbers though

hopefully that lady that got falsely arrested is suing them

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joe40001
04/27/23 1:19:13 AM
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I was all ready to condemn him because this headline to me made it sound like he altered data. Which is completely unacceptable.

Reading the relevant source material (people can correct me if I'm wrong) it seems like his major alteration was appending to the conclusion statement on page 3 of 8:
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000187-b36b-d739-a797-f3ef41e30000

Unless I am mistaken, what it sounds like is that he appended to the conclusion statement which already acknowledged a "slight increased risk for cardiac related mortality in the 28 days following vaccination."

He added a line acknowledging increased risk when stratified for age. While the magnitude of this risk is disputed, and indeed if the risk is relevant when compared to the risk of covid itself is also disputed, I do not believe anybody disputes that there has been observed an increased risk in this age demographic. I believe (and people can correct me if I am at all inaccurate) that such a risk is behind moves in the UK and other countries away from recommending boosters in such age groups.

The question then becomes is it in his authority to make such alterations? I sincerely do not know. I do not think anybody should go beyond their authority, and so if such alterations are things not appropriate for him to do as SG of Florida, I do disapprove of his actions and he should retract them.

Him representing the truth as best as he understands it as a representative of public health is his duty to his state and his people, and if he (or any government official) is not functioning in that capacity then they are not fulfilling their duty.

I think some people still get the wrong idea about me. I am about truth and data, I wish everybody who wants to turn public health into tribal politics should just step out. Science is having an open mind, challenging hypothesis, and going where the evidence based results take you.

The truth is not political, there are lots of data points that will get tribal republicans mad, there are lots of data points that will get tribal democrats mad. The important thing is to be honest about data.

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joe40001
04/29/23 8:57:08 AM
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MabusIncarnate posted...
Why can't I tag joe numbers

Did you have any specific questions or other elements you would like me to respond to? Or is what I posted what you were looking for?

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COVxy
04/29/23 9:34:17 AM
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People were wanting to tag you facetiously. Nobody cares what you have to say on the topic.

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brestugo
04/29/23 9:42:45 AM
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"Always accuse your enemies of your own sins." - Joseph Goebbels.

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joe40001
04/29/23 9:52:31 AM
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COVxy posted...
People were wanting to tag you facetiously. Nobody cares what you have to say on the topic.

Others are capable of speaking for themselves and don't need you to speak for them, thanks.

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Heartomaton
05/01/23 8:46:28 AM
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joe40001 posted...
Others are capable of speaking for themselves and don't need you to speak for them, thanks.

I tagged you facetiously. I do not care what you have to say on the topic.

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joe40001
05/01/23 10:38:27 PM
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Heartomaton posted...
I tagged you facetiously. I do not care what you have to say on the topic.

I believe you were tagging on behalf of MabusIncarnate.

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Heartomaton
05/01/23 10:59:16 PM
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@MabusIncarnate

Did you want him tagged facetiously? Do you care what he has to say?

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MabusIncarnate
05/01/23 11:06:59 PM
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Oh yeah, this just seemed like a topic joe needed to be a part of, I had no intention of checking back.

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Heartomaton
05/01/23 11:15:11 PM
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*Mic drop.*

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joe40001
05/02/23 12:20:03 AM
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Heartomaton posted...
*Mic drop.*

It's not really a mic drop. People @'d me, I assumed they were genuine, they weren't. I guess I was mistaken for assuming people would be more genuine.

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Heartomaton
05/02/23 12:28:58 AM
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Cope all you want, my dude.

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joe40001
05/02/23 12:31:00 AM
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Heartomaton posted...
Cope all you want, my dude.

It's legitimately strange to me how you think being obnoxious, me trusting you were being sincere, and then you going "haha, I was being obnoxious" in your mind reflects well on your character, and badly on mine.

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Heartomaton
05/02/23 12:33:08 AM
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Making some assumptions right now.

You know what they say about that.

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