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averagejoel posted...

"liberal" and "right-wing" are not mutually exclusive categories. far from it in fact

Can you elaborate?

From my understanding, liberal and progressives are left leaning labels.

Inversely, conservatives are right leaning.

Could you provide a more accurate definition?

Gwynevere posted...

So you don't know what you're talking about, but wanted to use her as an example of people virtue signaling anyway?

I didnt use her as an example of people virtue signaling. I used her (and Ben Shapiro) as examples of people labeling someone off of one specific stance.

Keep in mind, Im saying I dont know everything Rowling has done. I only hear her trans involvement. Ive researched what shes done and said about trans folk, but I typically see rather liberal views from her otherwise. I aint conceding shes necessarily right wing just because I am unfamiliar with whom she platforms.

Im just not silly, and wont fight something I dont have strong stances on.

The classic you dont know what you dont know, you get me?

Crack open a cold one!

Because some people don't vote or vote for libertarians/third parties ?

And we don't have the voting records of the posters here?

Alt-right is still right-wing.

cuttin_in_farm posted...

Keep in mind, Im saying I dont know everything Rowling has done. I only hear her trans involvement. Ive researched what shes done and said about trans folk, but I typically see rather liberal views from her otherwise. I aint conceding shes necessarily right wing just because I am unfamiliar with whom she platforms.

But you said:

JK Rowling is a decent example. For the most part, she is fairly liberal to my understanding. She is not very liberal with Trans things though. Thus, shes right-wing by default.

Which would imply that she's a good example because her only qualifying factor for being considered right wing is hating trans people, when that hasn't been the case for a long time now.

cuttin_in_farm posted...

The classic you dont know what you dont know, you get me?

That's fair, but why would you join the discussion to make assertions about what people believe if you're not well informed on the subject?

cuttin_in_farm posted...

Can you elaborate?

From my understanding, liberal and progressives are left leaning labels.

Inversely, conservatives are right leaning.

Could you provide a more accurate definition?

basically, "liberal" has come to mean "left" in a US context, but that doesn't really line up with what it actually is; the US is just skewed really really far to the right.

as an ideology, liberalism is more like center- to moderate right-wing ideology.

liberals as individuals might support some social justice movements for women/black people/etc.; and some might self-identify as left-wing because of it. some might even recognize the reality that social justice fundamentally cannot happen without economic justice.

the thing that fundamentally prevents them from being left-wing is that they naively believe that economic justice can be achieved under capitalism; and therefore they ultimately support the continuation of capitalism as an economic system.

as for "progressive": the term isn't necessarily tied to any specific political ideology, so it's fairly nebulous, but generally I think it kinda starts at the leftmost part of liberalism. that is; people who recognize that there are problems that need solving, but don't recognize that they're unsolvable under the current economic system

Idk why it's shocking that someone who wants to maintain capitalism is conservative, and idk why you guys let this guy feast every time he takes a shit

Just saying it should be me

Gwynevere posted...

But you said:

Which would imply that she's a good example because her only qualifying factor for being considered right wing is hating trans people, when that hasn't been the case for a long time now.

That's fair, but why would you join the discussion to make assertions about what people believe if you're not well informed on the subject?

I joined because I believed I had a good understanding of why people view Rowling as right wing.

But someone brought up a point I didnt know folks had problems with. I cant confirm or deny the reason, so I decided to leave the discussion alone after obtaining new information.

averagejoel posted...

basically, "liberal" has come to mean "left" in a US context, but that doesn't really line up with what it actually is; the US is just skewed really really far to the right.

as an ideology, liberalism is more like center- to moderate right-wing ideology.

liberals as individuals might support some social justice movements for women/black people/etc.; and some might self-identify as left-wing because of it. some might even recognize the reality that social justice fundamentally cannot happen without economic justice.

the thing that fundamentally prevents them from being left-wing is that they naively believe that economic justice can be achieved under capitalism; and therefore they ultimately support the continuation of capitalism as an economic system.

as for "progressive": the term isn't necessarily tied to any specific political ideology, so it's fairly nebulous, but generally I think it kinda starts at the leftmost part of liberalism. that is; people who recognize that there are problems that need solving, but don't recognize that they're unsolvable under the current economic system

This is interesting. I was led to believe the US is skewed to the left, globally. Thank you.

Claiming that anybody who doesnt support the complete dismantling of capitalism is right wing is a big ol steaming pile of bullshit.

Tenlaar posted...

Claiming that anybody who doesnt support the complete dismantling of capitalism is right wing is a big ol steaming pile of bullshit.

it's probably the single most important defining feature of socialist ideologies compared to other contemporary political ideologies. what other defining feature(s) would you suggest?

Yah, its a pretty funny thing to see TC, just have to laugh and move on.

With regards to JK Rowling, I remember her being one of the original people who got lambasted from the right for being too woke for making Dumbledore gay years after finishing the book

Joe has returned once again to be made fun of by everybody.

Tenlaar posted...

Claiming that anybody who doesnt support the complete dismantling of capitalism is right wing is a big ol steaming pile of bullshit.

Actually a rare partial W for Joel. But not for long, I'm sure. I fucking hate his "LGBTQ people can't have rights unless we dismantle capitalism" bullshit. Our economic system is clearly fucked, but it's nonsense to say what we're seeing in 2023 America (genocide) is a core tenet of "capitalism". That's like saying genocide is a core tenet of "socialism" or "communism".

hockeybub89 posted...

Actually a rare partial W for Joel. But not for long, I'm sure. I fucking hate his "LGBTQ people can't have rights unless we dismantle capitalism" bullshit.

I didn't say that. you should learn to read better.

hockeybub89 posted...

Actually a rare partial W for Joel. But not for long, I'm sure. I fucking hate his "LGBTQ people can't have rights unless we dismantle capitalism" bullshit. Our economic system is clearly fucked, but it's nonsense to say what we're seeing in 2023 America (genocide) is a core tenet of "capitalism". That's like saying genocide is a core tenet of "socialism" or "communism".

Late stage capitalism absolutely leads to genocides. As the wealth becomes concentrated more and more in the hands of the few the wealthy/ruling class has to find a reason/scapegoat as to why the system is working for fewer and fewer people.

averagejoel posted...

I didn't say that. you should learn to read better.

You have said that it's inextricable from fixing the economy, which is bullshit. Fuck the economy. Was America not capitalist before 2016/this destruction of LGBTQ rights? Are Democrats not capitalists because they weren't targeting LGBTQ rights? Capitalism's problems and the GOP's social policy are not one-in-the-same. Capitalism can be amoral and exploitative bullshit without being bigoted and fascist. This shit has nothing to do with economy. People didn't fight against Germany in the 1940s to fix their economy. We can fix that afterwards.

I don't claim you as a LGBTQ ally, so now I guess you aren't one. I was told that's how this works.

hockeybub89 posted...

You have said that it's inextricable from fixing the economy, which is bullshit. Fuck the economy. Was America not capitalist before 2016/this destruction of LGBTQ rights? Are Democrats not capitalists because they weren't targeting LGBTQ rights? Capitalism's problems and the GOP's social policy are not one-in-the-same. Capitalism can be amoral and exploitative bullshit without being bigoted and fascist. This shit has nothing to do with economy. People didn't fight against Germany in the 1940s to fix their economy. We can fix that afterwards.

I don't claim you as a LGBTQ ally, so now I guess you aren't one. I was told that's how this works.

lol

I think the other thing about the US is that heavily funded right wing media companies have successfully pushed the Overton window to the right far enough that "just asking questions" about whether or not certain groups get to participate in society is considered normal/acceptable behavior.

Bigoted views on queer people and ethnic minorities should have been stomped out a long time ago, but allowing people to share "valid concerns" is now going very poorly for the people who are the subjects of those concerns.

averagejoel posted...

lol

Typical. You're a common shitposter and yet somehow there are some people on this website who back you up.

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Your first tenlaar post eh

hockeybub89 posted...

Typical. You're a common shitposter and yet somehow there are some people on this website who back you up.

no u

Was OP serious after that covid denial-lite topic?