Current Events > US Senate just released a 300 page breakdown about the origins of COVID-19

(+) Yeah! (+)

Shadow_Don posted...

Republican who supported trump overthrowing the election and who claimed covid deaths were inflated and who pushed unproven drugs to treat covid wrote a report about covid being a lab leak.

As a Kansas resident, I would trust the average first grader more than fucking Roger Marshall

No one should trust an ob/gyn that thinks women shouldn't be allowed to have abortions.

ChrisTaka posted...

can I get a tldr

*blows 10 second raspberry*

That about covers it.

Ugh just more lab leak racism

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Expecting consistency from chud right wingers is like expecting empathy, intelligence, and critical thinking skills from chud right wingers.

Yeah, TC was sure interested in saving 15 million lives when they were pushing quack cures.

Fugouddahere.

I'm not taking the bait anymore.

I'm in a much healthier place mentally and emotionally and will no longer do the thing were I dignify people who lie and troll by arguing with them. There are much more important things than indulging in petty internet arguing.

As I said before:
joe40001 posted...

Investigating the origins of COVID-19 has nothing to do with political tribalism. It is about ensuring this never happens again.

There are plenty of other times and places where people can engage in such arguments. But here it is irrelevant. Here, all that is important is finding out how it happened and doing whatever it takes to prevent it happening again.

I know it is fashionable to be nihilistic, particularly on the internet, but I hope in this goal we can agree via our shared humanity.

If via investigation it came out it did leak from a lab and that literally everybody I like politically was the most responsible for it, I would be infinitely more happy that the truth came out and that there were changes and consequences that will hopefully prevent anything like this from happening again than I would be disappointed that "my political team" lost points. Again that kind of thing is irrelevant when compared to the scope of human suffering that came out because of the pandemic.

Political team sports and score keeping is NOTHING compared against the lives of 15 million people. And honestly, in this I will not even humor a debate.

Shut the fuck up. The mods really dropped the ball not banning you when you octupled down on FUCKING IVERMECTIN. All you learned in your time away was to post bullshit, but stop caring when everyone calls you out. You don't care about a single person who died of COVID when you spent years pushing the same nonsense that killed them all.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

I think the right wing media channels are going to need to face actual consequences before that will happen, unfortunately.

The next hope for that is the Smartmatic lawsuit.

joe40001 posted...

I'm not taking the bait anymore.

I'm in a much healthier place mentally and emotionally and will no longer do the thing were I dignify people who lie and troll by arguing with them. There are much more important things than indulging in petty internet arguing.

As I said before:

so you've been accused of being anti-vaccines, and you are not arguing with that. Sounds very... anti-vax.

Oh man, classic Joenumbers all up in here

Tyranthraxus posted...

The truth of the origin doesn't really matter.

Consider each of the following possibilities:

1. Contracted from animals
2. Contracted from contaminated meat
3. Accidental exposure in a research facility
4. Deliberate bio terrorism

Which of those 4 options, assuming it came with undeniable proof, changes anything today?

All of them. Because the next questions are "why" and "how", and answering them will help prevent a repeat.

Why is Congress handling the report? This stuff is supposed to be handled by HHS (or one of its child agencies).

It looks like an individual senator published a low confidence report generated by a third party and the topic title and first post's conclusion are misinformation

Lizards posted...

It looks like an individual senator published a low confidence report generated by a third party and the topic title and first post's conclusion are misinformation

Yes. This guy pushes covid disinformation all the time. He really should be banned for it but the worst that happens is suspensions. He waits for them to clear them comes back with more covid disinformation to continue trolling.

All of his covid topics should always be deleted.

Neo posted...

Why is Congress handling the report? This stuff is supposed to be handled by HHS (or one of its child agencies).

I believe multiple agencies and groups are doing and have done independent investigations. There was the recent one from the department of energy:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/26/us/politics/china-lab-leak-coronavirus-pandemic.html

The department of energy isn't as odd a choice as it might seem considering that they apparently oversee a lot of research labs including biomedical ones.

From NYT:
"But many of the Energy Departments insights come from its network of national laboratories, some of which conduct biological research, rather than more traditional forms of intelligence like spy networks or communications intercepts."

Personally I'm happy to have as many people looking into it as possible and being as thorough as possible.

Bandit_Keith posted...

This guy

I know who joe#s is

Lizards posted...

It looks like an individual senator published a low confidence report generated by a third party and the topic title and first post's conclusion are misinformation

The first post does not contain any statements from myself, only one from the report itself. Its research and conclusions seem to be in keeping with both the FBI's and DoE conclusions. And it explores the pros and cons of all the most likely origins. (Page 14 of the summary).

I believe such information is relevant to "Current Events". And while I acknowledge that the lab leak as truth is not something we know at this time, even Fauci has acknowledged it as a possibility, and other agencies have acknowledged is as their most likely possibility. So sharing a very detailed investigation into all the origins (that explores all possibilities) is something that I believe could not reasonably be called misinformation but part of the relevant public discourse.

Someone should write a 300 page report on how it's plausible that the sun will rise tomorrow morning.

Good lord, just suspend him already

nexigrams posted...

Someone should write a 300 page report on how it's plausible that the sun will rise tomorrow morning.

A conspiracy theorist in Congress should submit a report on how it's possible aliens hiding behind the sun invade us tomorrow morning.

joe40001 posted...

I believe multiple agencies and groups are doing and have done independent investigations.

That is literally not how our government works.

Why in the holy mother of fuck do we need an explanation of health by the Department of Energy?!

joe40001 posted...

The first post does not contain any statements from myself, only one from the report itself. Its research and conclusions seem to be in keeping with both the FBI's and DoE conclusions. And it explores the pros and cons of all the most likely origins. (Page 14 of the summary).

I believe such information is relevant to "Current Events". And while I acknowledge that the lab leak as truth is not something we know at this time, even Fauci has acknowledged it as a possibility, and other agencies have acknowledged is as their most likely possibility. So sharing a very detailed investigation into all the origins (that explores all possibilities) is something that I believe could not reasonably be called misinformation but part of the relevant public discourse.

Close your account

Neo posted...

That is literally not how our government works.

Why in the holy mother of fuck do we need an explanation of health by the Department of Energy?!

The DoE actually oversees a fair amount of the biological research the US does. It is a pretty relevant agency.

Here's a few links:
https://science.osti.gov/ber
https://www.energy.gov/science/ber/biological-and-environmental-research
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Genome_Institute (Under DoE)

And the quote from the NYT above:
"But many of the Energy Departments insights come from its network of national laboratories, some of which conduct biological research, rather than more traditional forms of intelligence like spy networks or communications intercepts."

The correct answer is that we don't need a report from the Department of Energy.

Again. Literally not how our government works.

You gonna tell me the National Weather Service has a document on it too?

I heard Coca-Cola has a report on the origins of COVID out

joe40001 posted...

The DoE actually oversees a fair amount of the biological research the US does. It is a pretty relevant agency.

Here's a few links:
https://science.osti.gov/ber
https://www.energy.gov/science/ber/biological-and-environmental-research
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Genome_Institute (Under DoE)

And the quote from the NYT above:
"But many of the Energy Departments insights come from its network of national laboratories, some of which conduct biological research, rather than more traditional forms of intelligence like spy networks or communications intercepts."

You clearly fundamentally misunderstand what the point of a place like the JGI is and how irrelevant it and the DoE are to covid.

joe40001 posted...

I'm not taking the bait anymore.

An incredibly rare instance of sage advice from joenumbers. If only CE could follow it as well.

masterpug53 posted...

An incredibly rare instance of sage advice from joenumbers. If only CE could follow it as well.

But he's the one posting misinformation.

masterpug53 posted...

An incredibly rare instance of sage advice from joenumbers. If only CE could follow it as well.

Ignoring trolls is one thing but its probably not a good idea to ignore lies and misinformation about covid, which could get people killed.

joe40001 posted...

m not taking the bait anymore.

I'm in a much healthier place mentally and emotionally and will no longer do the thing were I dignify people who lie and troll by arguing with them. There are much more important things than indulging in petty internet arguing.

You came back to CE, a place where everyone knows you're full of shit, just to post the same garbage you've been posting for 3 years now

You are most certainly not in a good place lmao