Current Events > US Senate just released a 300 page breakdown about the origins of COVID-19

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So is it saying it is possible it was a lab leak? If so I guess they dont want to say for sure on anything as to not start pointing fingers waggling again.

Wuhan was the epicenter so it obviously started there. Why are people even debating this?

Wuhan was the epicenter so it obviously started there. Why are people even debating this?

The truth is. We will never know the truth 100%.

1. Contracted from animals
2. Contracted from contaminated meat
3. Accidental exposure in a research facility
4. Deliberate bio terrorism

The preponderance of information supports the plausibility of an unintentional research-related incident that likely resulted from failures of biosafety containment during SARS-CoV-2 vaccine-related research. The identified underlying biosafety issues increased the likelihood that such containment failures were not immediately recognized. The possibility of unrecognized biocontainment breaches combined with SARS-CoV-2s clinical characteristics of asymptomatic and mild clinical illness in the majority of infections, likely confounded early recognition and containment of the initial outbreak. Such initial unrecognized infections could serve as the nidus of the outbreak of COVID-19 in Wuhan and is a plausible proximate cause of the pandemic.

The truth of the origin doesn't really matter.

The truth of the origin doesn't really matter.

So, yes, the truth of the origin incredibly matters. If there is even a 10% chance it was caused by preventable risks or negligence we need to investigate/prosecute that thoroughly and ensure that it never ever happens again.

my opinion

You haven't actually said why it matters. Shouldn't you be striving for the highest level of precautions ANYWAY? Do you think a Canadian research facility can be given exemptions on policy (in this hypothetical example) because it came from a Chinese lab? What's the point? All high risk research needs to have policy and audits regardless of who (if anyone) is responsible for the pandemic.

Id say 15 million fellow dead humans would say its important to know how this happened and what we can do to prevent this again.

You should, but they don't. The current narrative is current lab and research procedures everywhere are sufficient. And even on the moderate or more probability that this leaked from a lab, it would seem that those procedures are decidedly insufficient. If there are no consequences and reforms due to this horrible tragedy, then it can very easily happen again.

I'm not singling out China, literally anywhere who is doing the kind of research needs to be audited for risks and safety. What happened and every person and decision that allowed it to happen needs to be investigated and likely prosecuted. I don't want to be a "big meanie" here, but if your decisions even accidentally played a big part in causing the deaths of 15 million people, you should probably lose your job and go to prison. People go to prison over involuntary manslaughter and reckless endangerment for much less.

Understanding the exact truth of what happened, and shining a major spotlight on it is going to do so much more to help us in the future than just going "meh, whatever the true origin is doesn't really matter". And I believe you know that.

If you knew somebody who was died from a mechanical failure in their car would you really go "meh, whatever, I'm sure car companies are doing their best to be safe"? Or would you want it investigated?

Now take that and multiply it by 15 million.

I'm sorry, but frankly I find it near asinine to act like the investigation, prosecution, and spotlighting of the true origins of COVID-19 would do nothing to prevent the risk of it happening again in the future. It absolutely would, and I have to believe you must know this.

You are bordering on "why investigate any death's origin's?" logic, which is obviously absurd. You investigate it so you know the truth, so you can create consequences and changes that will make it less likely to happen again. If you give everybody involved in this a free pass you are doing a grave disservice to humanity as a whole.

You should, but they don't. The current narrative is current lab and research procedures everywhere are sufficient. And even on the moderate or more probability that this leaked from a lab, it would seem that those procedures are decidedly insufficient. If there are no consequences and reforms due to this horrible tragedy, then it can very easily happen again.

You are bordering on "why investigate any death's origin's?" logic, which is obviously absurd. You investigate it so you know the truth, so you can create consequences and changes that will make it less likely to happen again. If you give everybody involved in this a free pass you are doing a grave disservice to humanity as a whole.

Id say 15 million fellow dead humans would say its important to know how this happened and what we can do to prevent this again.

1. If you actually believe this for practical reasons, you should be able to understand why the source that TC provided is not actually aligned with "understanding how this happened". This has generally been the problem with people pushing the lab leak theory, is that it's trying to frame the narrative as "Oh this is an intentional shortcoming that SCIENCE did and CHINESE SCIENCE to boot" rather than idk something like the wet market theory which asks us as society to do a lot more international cooperation to control pandemics, etc. etc. But that sometimes requires things like quarantines, social distancing, masking, things that the senator who "released" this study are vehemently against.
2. If you're just grandstanding, a significant portion of those 15 million people dead were told what they could do to prevent their death from happening and chose not to.

Remember when people would be attacked and CE would mod them for suggesting the findings in this report were the cause? Fun.

What is with the weird obsession people have with this coming from a lab?

Do people feel better if they think people were responsible and not nature? Is the world somehow less scary if people did this?

I will never understand how we allowed ourselves to get to the point where it was considered conspiratorial to claim that it's possible covid accidentally leaked from an institute of virology, that happened to be at the epicenter of the pandemic, that also had been researching covid for decades, that also had been flagged in the past for falling short of the required safety standards.

Investigating the origins of COVID-19 has nothing to do with political tribalism. It is about ensuring this never happens again.

Can we get a tl;dr?

Republican who supported trump overthrowing the election and who claimed covid deaths were inflated and who pushed unproven drugs to treat covid wrote a report about covid being a lab leak.

I dont think its an obsession with it coming from the lab as much as this report confirms what a lot of people thought happened. For the last few years you couldnt mention the theory without being attacked (and even modded on some social media sites).

I am confused. I don't know the TC but why is he getting ratioed for saying we should respect the 15 million who died from covid? What am I missing here?

So this is just one Senator putting out a report by a third party and not an actual senate report?