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I'd like to thank whoever suggested reclassing Boucheron into a Hero. He's kicking ass now and actually hitting things!

Berserker is just a really bad class lol. Shame, it's usually one of my favs.

Removing the innate crit from Berserker/Swordmaster/Halberdier was a weird decision. Like in exchange they gave them S rank weapons but that's a super niche advantage and no way worth giving up multiple weapons.

Like nobody has any business being in those classes. There is always a better option.

Compsognathus posted...

Removing the innate crit from Berserker/Swordmaster/Halberdier was a weird decision. Like in exchange they gave them S rank weapons but that's a super niche advantage and no way worth giving up multiple weapons.

Like nobody has any business being in those classes. There is always a better option.

Swordmaster is fine but yeah, there's a lot better choices. Silver dagger on wolf knight has better crit than silver sword on swordmaster without any crit modifying skills or emblems. Like, whaaaa? Also because they use build instead of strength to determine speed reductions for heavy weapons it means that a lot of units can't even use the S tier ones except maybe against uh. Heavy knights with the pushback weapons? That's about it. RIP.

I mean is Swordmaster fine? Without the crit bonus it's possibly the weakest it has been in a long time. Especially in a game where weapon triangle has been more important than ever.

Compsognathus posted...

I mean is Swordmaster fine? Without the crit bonus it's possibly the weakest it has been in a long time. Especially in a game where weapon triangle has been more important than ever.

Of the three, axe enemies are rarely mixed in with lance enemies until the end and as such for most of the game they can take a side of the map and function just fine. The other side for most maps is either mostly sword or mostly lance users. But then, you run into that "wait, mc is best sword user" thing. But at least swords have better evasion. <.< That all said, obviously wolf knight with swords or hero works way better and are actually good. By fine I mean c tier. It works. Nothing to write home about.

Compsognathus posted...

I mean is Swordmaster fine? Without the crit bonus it's possibly the weakest it has been in a long time. Especially in a game where weapon triangle has been more important than ever.

It's not great but it's definitely better than it has often been in the past. Enemy weapon selection is diverse enough that you don't just get wrecked by lances at every turn like you do in so many other games, and it's not easy to get kills with physical 1-2 range weapons so their lack of that isn't so big a deal, and they're a backup class which is very nice. It feels a lot better than FE7-9 where the class is just ass in every way, or Shadow Dragon where you reclass someone fast once or twice to use a forged wyrmslayer for a boss or that dude in front of Medeus and otherwise ignore it because it sucks in every other scenario. Not losing any damage or hit/avoid against lances is also really nice since it means you handle them just fine on player phase (and can kill Greatlance dudes on enemy phase before they get to break you).

Panthera posted...

It's not great but it's definitely better than it has often been in the past. Enemy weapon selection is diverse enough that you don't just get wrecked by lances at every turn like you do in so many other games, and it's not easy to get kills with physical 1-2 range weapons so their lack of that isn't so big a deal, and they're a backup class which is very nice. It feels a lot better than FE7-9 where the class is just ass in every way, or Shadow Dragon where you reclass someone fast once or twice to use a forged wyrmslayer for a boss or that dude in front of Medeus and otherwise ignore it because it sucks in every other scenario. Not losing any damage or hit/avoid against lances is also really nice since it means you handle them just fine on player phase (and can kill Greatlance dudes on enemy phase before they get to break you).

Yep. Meanwhile in path of radiance you use Ike and his swords because he's mandatory and one of the few who can hurt the final boss on hard or Maddening. But most enemies use lances so you want axe users or at least mounted/ flying lance users.

Just heads up for people who haven't completed the Marth paralogue yet.

Make sure to take out Marth as soon as possible. Because otherwise you deal with apparently infinite wyvern knight reinforcements! Srsly I'm almost at turn 30 and they're still coming!

Ivynn posted...

Just heads up for people who haven't completed the Marth paralogue yet.

Make sure to take out Marth as soon as possible. Because otherwise you deal with apparently infinite wyvern knight reinforcements! Srsly I'm almost at turn 30 and they're still coming!

I just stuck my unit with Ike in the doorway and Marth ran right into his face and neither hurt each other, so I just kinda used that time to hunt down the enemy with the speedwing (I think) and chest items. Then I moved my wall and had a mage nuke Marth so bad it was almost funny.

Compsognathus posted...

Removing the innate crit from Berserker/Swordmaster/Halberdier was a weird decision. Like in exchange they gave them S rank weapons but that's a super niche advantage and no way worth giving up multiple weapons.

Like nobody has any business being in those classes. There is always a better option.

Oh no. Should I reclass my Panette from berserker?

MaxEffingBemis posted...

Oh no. Should I reclass my Panette?

Yes. If you can get her as a wyvern rider I'd say 10000% do it.

gunplagirl posted...

I just stuck my unit with Ike in the doorway and Marth ran right into his face and neither hurt each other, so I just kinda used that time to hunt down the enemy with the speedwing (I think) and chest items. Then I moved my wall and had a mage nuke Marth so bad it was almost funny.

After turn 30, I decided I was wasting my time and the wyvern knights were indeed unending and I had used up too many resources to justify continuing. So I restarted, headed straight for Marth and parked Ike in the doorway like you. Marth went down quickly lol. And it only took me 5 turns! I skipped the treasures because I decided they weren't worth it. Elixir, Speed Tonic, Silver Greataxe? Meh

MaxEffingBemis posted...

Oh no. Should I reclass my Panette from berserker?

WK, Warrior or Hero are all good options, much better than Berserker.

I've heard Sage, Mage Knight, and High Priest for Anna? What are the advantages and disadvantages of them all, if anyone knows... They all seem pretty good. And apparently, the people who made them have basically said they are all killing machines...

Sage has high magic and the best weapon rank. Staff access. Shit class ability.

High Priest has best Staff rank, arts for breaking thieves. Can heal themselves.

Both of the above are mystical so they ignore terrain avoid bonuses. Good for hitting theives.

Mage Knight is mounted. Can't use staves. Can use a weapon type of choice. Incredibly good ability which is basically just +3 speed in most situations.

I think Mage Knight's the best of the bunch, and would be my choice. But if you need staff/mystical utility, High Priest is a good choice. Pain in the ass to qualify for since arts profiency is pretty rare unless you have the DLC and can use Tiki. Sage is meh but can serve in a pinch until you get brawling profiency.

I just started the game and got to where you can move around freely. What the heck is that pigeon doing just sitting there? It's marked on the map so I assume I can do something with it?

YugiNoob posted...

I just started the game and got to where you can move around freely. What the heck is that pigeon doing just sitting there? It's marked on the map so I assume I can do something with it?

Adopt it and take it with you... It will give you resources if in the field area...

How do you adopt? It's not giving me any prompts, and I've tried pressing every button when I'm standing right in front of it :<

YugiNoob posted...

How do you adopt? It's not giving me any prompts, and I've tried pressing every button when I'm standing right in front of it :<

If its an orange dot on the map, you should be able to just press A. But it could be your donation level. Some animals you cant adopt until you get a certain donation level at the base. That could be it.

Can you not adopt until later in the game? I feel sad leaving that little bird out on its own :<

YugiNoob posted...

Can you not adopt until later in the game? I feel sad leaving that little bird out on its own :<

You need to donate at least the first level to a country before being able to adopt animals.

Im not sure when you can first adopt them I thought it was after the first battle after leaving the base But maybe I was wrong

Dang, I want my animals...

You can first adopt after chapter 4, the village battle. You don't need any donation ranks to initially adopt some things, though a number of animals are gated off by donation ranks.

YugiNoob posted...

Can you not adopt until later in the game? I feel sad leaving that little bird out on its own :<

Aww. You'll get plenty of them later. Find them then. <3

Adopt everything ever, and then leave them all in stables forever in favour of the metal producing dogs

I just started and I'm up to chapter 3. I'm playing on hard classic. Anyone have any tips? I might reload my levels to get as many stat gains as possible since I don't wanna lose anybody.

Reloading for levels is going to drive you insane eventually, you get a rewind feature very soon anyway that makes keeping people alive easy. You don't need to worry about optimizing level ups or anything in Fire Emblem in general and especially not in Engage where for the most of the game you keep getting new units who are at least as good as anyone you might have trained. Generally the best advice for Fire Emblem is to not worry about some sort of long term plan where you conserve every limited resource and try to milk the most exp out of everything, you'll make the short term much harder on yourself for no real long term gain vs just using useful stuff when it seems helpful and taking kills on whoever gets them most conveniently.

You can't reload for levels, level ups are determined at the start of a map. You'd have to restart the whole battle.

Unless it's actually determined when you boot up the game and I didn't know.

How often do you all here engage? I was just wondering, is all...

Only for fighting multiple health bar enemies or clearing mobs quickly, I learned the hard way to not rely on it like it'll always be there like most people did

As the game has become more and more challenging I engage less and less so that the bar will be full when I need it. But if the situation calls for it, I still will. A clusterfuck of 5 paladins heading my way, better Ike up.

I hope you guys remembered to use the cannons, don't be a dumb-dumb like me and fight those bastards in that poison, I mean I made it after losing several guys but man did that feel dirty

DeadBankerDream posted...

As the game has become more and more challenging I engage less and less so that the bar will be full when I need it. But if the situation calls for it, I still will. A clusterfuck of 5 paladins heading my way, better Ike up.

The game is overall pretty forgiving with the Engage mechanics and most maps have plenty of spirit pools, but yeah I do a of engage hoarding. Out of fear of the unknown. I just need to like pop an Engage on a third of my units turn one, then the next third turn 3, then then the next third turn 6. I'll probably find it opens up a lot more options and that I'll never really be caught too off-guard.

Like there is no reason you shouldn't be Dance of the Goddessing twice a map. That's far to valuable of a tool to only use once "for when you really need it"

Yeah. I feel like Ive been engage hoarding myself I think I should use it a little more. I mean, why not? Its the new game mechanic Like, I wont rely on it all the time. But using it for more than just for the boss and right spots should be fine, I would think

LinkPizza posted...

Yeah. I feel like Ive been engage hoarding myself I think I should use it a little more. I mean, why not? Its the new game mechanic Like, I wont rely on it all the time. But using it for more than just for the boss and right spots should be fine, I would think

Start using it right away IMO. Better to deal with units that aren't engaged after you've already killed half the enemies.

Turn 1 Ike + Great Aether is an effective strategy.

Panthera posted...

Reloading for levels is going to drive you insane eventually, you get a rewind feature very soon anyway that makes keeping people alive easy. You don't need to worry about optimizing level ups or anything in Fire Emblem in general and especially not in Engage where for the most of the game you keep getting new units who are at least as good as anyone you might have trained. Generally the best advice for Fire Emblem is to not worry about some sort of long term plan where you conserve every limited resource and try to milk the most exp out of everything, you'll make the short term much harder on yourself for no real long term gain vs just using useful stuff when it seems helpful and taking kills on whoever gets them most conveniently.

Thinking about, you're right. I was doing level up reloads for Awakening and 3 Houses and ended up getting bored because the games became too easy which made me never finish them.

DeadBankerDream posted...

You can't reload for levels, level ups are determined at the start of a map. You'd have to restart the whole battle.

Unless it's actually determined when you boot up the game and I didn't know.

I thought level ups were only fixed for Merciless?

Holy_Cloud105 posted...

Thinking about, you're right. I was doing level up reloads for Awakening and 3 Houses and ended up getting bored because the games became too easy which made me never finish them.

I thought level ups were only fixed for Merciless?

They're fixed at some point before you load the map and it would take messing around in the somniel to change the rng seed you're on.

Holy_Cloud105 posted...

I thought level ups were only fixed for Merciless?

So even on Random growths, the game rolls the RNs for each character's level ups at the beginning of each map. So if you level up you'll always get the exact same level up. In theory you could still re-roll, but it would only be feasible by taking a character close to leveling, starting the map, leveling on like turn one, deciding if you like the level or not, and if not, restarting the map, returning to the World Map and reentering the level to reset the RNs. Which...just sucks.

Compsognathus posted...

So even on Random growths, the game rolls the RNs for each character's level ups at the beginning of each map. So if you level up you'll always get the exact same level up. In theory you could still re-roll, but it would only be feasible by taking a character close to leveling, starting the map, leveling on like turn one, deciding if you like the level or not, and if not, restarting the map, returning to the World Map and reentering the level to reset the RNs. Which...just sucks.

Just to be safe you can make sure you change the seed by joining in a tempest trial or other map in the challenge tower.

That sounds awful. I'll just take my time and enjoy the game then. I really like what I've played so far compared to the other two FE's I've played. I heard the game was really hard which is what made me get it but I don't think I'm up for Merciless yet.

Just finished chapter 15. How much longer do I have left?

MaxEffingBemis posted...

Just finished chapter 15. How much longer do I have left?

26 chapters but the last 6 have a ton more story scenes and stuff than the middle ones so you're probably a bit over halfway in hours played. It took me a little over 54 hours to finish the game which is right in that 50-60 hour estimated time most people are saying it will take.

MaxEffingBemis posted...

Just finished chapter 15. How much longer do I have left?

There's 26 total chapters and 15 total paralogues. You probably already did Anna and Jean paralogues.

Beat the game on Hard/Classic just now. I'm pretty disappointed there are apparently no paired endings, like what the hell? There were some A ranks that I was so sure would lead to something and I was confused once the little character epilogue's started and no one got paired besides Alear.

Strong enough now where Griss no longer scares me. Fight him again
"Oh? You're approaching me?, you're actually approaching me?" this beat down has been a long time coming mister shirtless

tremain07 posted...

Strong enough now where Griss no longer scares me. Fight him again
"Oh? You're approaching me?, you're actually approaching me?" this beat down has been a long time coming mister shirtless

Jotaro actually gets his shit pushed in hard immediately after that scene. He should have maybe taken Dio's advice and run away.

Dude don't jink me!

These optional skirmishes are tougher than the regular maps now Jesus christ. Might not do them anymore.

Blue_Inigo posted...

These optional skirmishes are tougher than the regular maps now Jesus christ. Might not do them anymore.

There's a shitload of enemies and they just bum rush you whereas you can kinda manipulate how the paralogues and main story battles move