Current Events > Wait, fatphobia is a legit thing?

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COVxy
12/30/22 8:06:53 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
How can people think fatphobia doesn't exist. I mean like it is almost half and half.

Welcome to modern CE, which despite being populated with people ages 20-40 is like a 50-50 left/right split.

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ShineboxPhil
12/30/22 8:12:47 PM
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cuttin_in_farm posted...
I just got notified by the moderation team that its real and actually being looked into by research.


Wait so we can't make fun of lizzo anymore?

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BloodMoon7
12/30/22 8:14:06 PM
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It is not and definitely not comparable to other similar terms. It's utter nonsense.

I'd like to see the moderator in question. Nay, I'd like to speak to their lead moderator.

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Flauros
12/30/22 8:16:12 PM
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Are Calorie Gifted folx going to get their own Pride stripe now?

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AloneIBreak
12/30/22 8:28:38 PM
#58:


ShineboxPhil posted...
Wait so we can't make fun of lizzo anymore?
No, you should be praising her for the courage to overeat without shame.

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cjsdowg
12/30/22 8:32:11 PM
#59:


BloodMoon7 posted...
It is not and definitely not comparable to other similar terms. It's utter nonsense.

I'd like to see the moderator in question. Nay, I'd like to speak to their lead moderator.

Bigger people have harder time finding jobs and earn less.

https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20161130-fat-people-earn-less-and-have-a-harder-time-finding-work

Overweight people have been bullied into suicide.

https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/teen-bullied-for-her-weight-commits-suicide-in-front-of-family-w453464/

Overweight people face medial discrimination

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4381543/


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BlackJackCat
12/30/22 8:33:23 PM
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MorbidEngel posted...
Fear of fat people is a thing. Apparently it's called Cacomorphobia.

First thing I thought of was the Cacodemon from Doom.


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Kitten
12/30/22 8:35:07 PM
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the0rebirth posted...
All I'ma say is, I've never heard it used in a legitimate way.

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Paragon21XX
12/30/22 8:35:22 PM
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GATTJT posted...
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/phobia

2
: intolerance or aversion for
photophobia
Dictionaries are descriptive, not prescriptive. Having an entry for a particular meaning of a word only means that a not insignificant number of people regularly use it in that manner, not that they are correct in doing so.

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tsup-tsup
12/30/22 8:35:49 PM
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Imit8m3
12/30/22 8:38:27 PM
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Being fat is a choice. So no it's not a legit thing.


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cjsdowg
12/30/22 8:40:11 PM
#65:


Paragon21XX posted...
Dictionaries are descriptive, not prescriptive. Having an entry for a particular meaning of a word only means that a not insignificant number of people regularly use it in that manner, not that they are correct in doing so.

Is oil scared of water?

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BlackJackCat
12/30/22 8:58:01 PM
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Imit8m3 posted...
Being fat is a choice. So no it's not a legit thing.

In many cases it more than likely is a choice, but I can see there being cyclic problem with this if overweight people are being discriminated in employment and healthcare. Negative reinforcement really just tends to lead to depression and suicide among people rather than a path to a healthier weight. While we could always say at the end of the day it is a choice, there is so much stigma and shame with being overweight to begin with that it sets people up to fail on the path to a healthy weight.

There is also the personal choice to be comfortable with ones weight as long as it presents no health risks. Of course there is a lot of literature and study that shows this isn't intuitive, it also perhaps isn't entirely fair to expect the average individual to attain the idealized shape. For example I've known and work with people who are muscle guts, who could bench press otherwise fit dudes and run their ass into the dirt any day of the week, but if you look at them you might think they were just fat and out of shape, but for all intents and purposes are healthy.

I can see where people are coming from with this. Having on set standard and image creates an unrealistic expectation and does less to solve actual health issues when people can't be fucked to get their head together long enough to try and attain a healthier weight when everyone around them is treating them like human garbage.

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Imit8m3
12/30/22 9:16:03 PM
#67:


BlackJackCat posted...
In many cases it more than likely is a choice, but I can see there being cyclic problem with this if overweight people are being discriminated in employment and healthcare. Negative reinforcement really just tends to lead to depression and suicide among people rather than a path to a healthier weight. While we could always say at the end of the day it is a choice, there is so much stigma and shame with being overweight to begin with that it sets people up to fail on the path to a healthy weight.

There is also the personal choice to be comfortable with ones weight as long as it presents no health risks. Of course there is a lot of literature and study that shows this isn't intuitive, it also perhaps isn't entirely fair to expect the average individual to attain the idealized shape. For example I've known and work with people who are muscle guts, who could bench press otherwise fit dudes and run their ass into the dirt any day of the week, but if you look at them you might think they were just fat and out of shape, but for all intents and purposes are healthy.

I can see where people are coming from with this. Having on set standard and image creates an unrealistic expectation and does less to solve actual health issues when people can't be fucked to get their head together long enough to try and attain a healthier weight when everyone around them is treating them like human garbage.
A) they're discriminated against in healthcare because they are inherently unhealthy. Would you perform a liver transplant on an alcoholic with no intention of quitting? Doctors won't help someone who won't even try to stop their self damaging behavior, because it's just a waste of time and resources.

B) you can be comfortable with your weight, but your heart isn't. It doesn't matter if you're overweight because of fat or because of muscle, mass is mass. Your heart must still pump blood to all that extra mass regardless. This is why heart disease is the most common morbidity in BOTH fat people and body builders.

C) that's life. You need to find a different source of cope. Do not use food!

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Ratchetrockon
12/30/22 9:17:11 PM
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It is a real

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BlackJackCat
12/30/22 9:32:31 PM
#69:


Imit8m3 posted...
A) they're discriminated against in healthcare because they are inherently unhealthy. Would you perform a liver transplant on an alcoholic with no intention of quitting? Doctors won't help someone who won't even try to stop their self damaging behavior, because it's just a waste of time and resources.

B) you can be comfortable with your weight, but your heart isn't. It doesn't matter if you're overweight because of fat or because of muscle, mass is mass. Your heart must still pump blood to all that extra mass regardless. This is why heart disease is the most common morbidity in BOTH fat people and body builders.

C) that's life. You need to find a different source of cope. Do not use food!

Not entirely disagreeing with all of that. I understand why doctors cover their ass on that, as it is a readily accepted medical certainty that being overweight is just not good for someone.

I'm just saying that when people are told to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and just not be fat, there are a lot of things that make it difficult, especially if you are poor (cheap food is also incredibly bad for you) I can see how it's cyclic and while people can keep saying "It's a choice!" - and it ultimately still is in most cases - the approach could use some work to help people on a healthier path.

That is not to say that I haven't seen people make an effort to be firm but fair with overweight people trying to get better. I'm by no means suggesting we deny certain realities just to make people feel good about themselves. But society as a whole can be kind of shitty about it on a subconscious level when you think about it.

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BiggLaw
12/30/22 10:25:40 PM
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We don't need to get hostile over somebody's body type but it's sad that people will try to guilt and even gaslight you over not being attracted to certain body types. Of course we know this behavior is not limited to body types...

Anyway, one shouldn't have to resort to manipulation tactics to make an argument unless they know there isn't enough merit for it to stand by itself.

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Oh_Boy_
12/30/22 11:29:57 PM
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We've evolved beyond that. Fitness is now about racism apparently. i just found out yesterday.
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Patchwork
12/31/22 2:38:33 AM
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Oh_Boy_ posted...
We've evolved beyond that. Fitness is now about racism apparently. i just found out yesterday.

Did you read about the white supremacist roots of fitness?

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