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wackyteen
10/16/22 3:04:26 AM
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It's Mt Silver.


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/2/0/AAPw6aAADyHo.png

Bulbapedia classifies it as summit but I always took it to be a cave similar to this photo:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/2/1/AAPw6aAADyHp.jpg

So which is it?

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MrMallard
10/16/22 3:05:45 AM
#2:


In a cave on top of a mountain.


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kuwab0
10/16/22 3:06:03 AM
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It's hailing in the remakes

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pegusus123456
10/16/22 3:12:23 AM
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I always took it to just be a cave too, but I think it is actually the summit. The remake makes it much more obvious.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/2/4/AAGadeAADyHs.png

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ChocoboMog123
10/16/22 3:15:37 AM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/2/5/AAA_yAAADyHt.jpg
That's how it looks in Pokemon Masters.

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pegusus123456
10/16/22 3:17:49 AM
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Yeah, I guess the real mystery is why they have that upper wall in the original game. Maybe it's meant to be the other side of the mountain, going down?

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DeadBankerDream
10/16/22 3:21:47 AM
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Red Ketchup trained this Pikachu in a cave, with a box of rattatas.

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YellowSUV
10/16/22 3:23:58 AM
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Always thought it was a mountain. Seems like a way more fitting finale to the game than a cave.

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wackyteen
10/16/22 3:25:47 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
Yeah, I guess the real mystery is why they have that upper wall in the original game. Maybe it's meant to be the other side of the mountain, going down?
Maybe but that's just bad art design. They should've flipped the lighting mark from the top left to the bottom left.

Or more realistically, used a smaller platform inside of a larger platform, with no big wall, letting the cliffside disappear 'behind' the larger platform

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pegusus123456
10/16/22 3:32:43 AM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

See, that looks even more like a cave than the picture in the OP though because it's not really scaled out enough to see the front of the mountain.

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Slaya4
10/16/22 3:38:07 AM
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In the originals I thought he was in a cave.

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Guide
10/16/22 3:42:22 AM
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Always thought it was a summit.

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Hambo
10/16/22 3:51:13 AM
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In HGSS it's obviously outside on a mountain, but in GSC it definitely looks like the inside of a cave (in a mountain).

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Tropicalwood
10/16/22 3:55:36 AM
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It's a summit, just very poorly rendered because it was probably last minute thanks to the compression tools allowing them to put Kanto on the cartridge.

It's easier to notice when you've played Stadium 2 and the remake.

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Heartomaton
10/16/22 3:57:17 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
Yeah, I guess the real mystery is why they have that upper wall in the original game. Maybe it's meant to be the other side of the mountain, going down?

I like the idea of it being a rock formation that makes the battle area like an amphitheater.

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pokedude900
10/16/22 4:04:11 AM
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The main reason people might think it's a cave is because the out-of-bounds space is black. Also not sure if the room's lighting obeys the game's day-night cycle, or if you can Fly from there. Pretty sure you can in the remake, at least.

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DKBananaSlamma
10/16/22 4:04:12 AM
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In Masters and HGSS, it's the top of a mountain

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TomClark
10/16/22 4:11:09 AM
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I took it as outside almost at the summit in the original (there's a further cliff going up, but I assumed he was on the highest point someone can actually reach).

It's clearly the absolute top in later versions.

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wackyteen
10/16/22 4:16:18 AM
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TomClark posted...
I took it as outside almost at the summit in the original (there's a further cliff going up, but I assumed he was on the highest point someone can actually reach).

It's clearly the absolute top in later versions.
Yeah, that's why I clarified G/S/C specifically

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Flintlock_Staff
10/16/22 4:45:25 AM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/4/6/AAY-YQAADyIC.png

Full map for those curious
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wackyteen
10/16/22 11:26:41 AM
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Supermajority agree that it's a summit

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Smiffwilm
10/16/22 11:29:29 AM
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Hey, any excuse to post this is worth it.

https://youtu.be/9s_KTdKaoVE

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wackyteen
10/16/22 11:34:00 AM
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Smiffwilm posted...
Hey, any excuse to post this is worth it.

https://youtu.be/9s_KTdKaoVE
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6nhjZhyzW2g

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DKBananaSlamma
10/16/22 11:36:02 AM
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Flintlock_Staff posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/4/6/AAY-YQAADyIC.png

Full map for those curious
That's definitely a summit

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discodancer77
10/16/22 11:46:36 AM
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In Gen 2, Synthesis heals a different amount of HP whether youre battling indoors or outdoors, so that would be a good way to check. Later gens tie the amount healed to the weather.

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wackyteen
10/16/22 11:48:30 AM
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discodancer77 posted...
In Gen 2, Synthesis heals a different amount of HP whether youre battling indoors or outdoors, so that would be a good way to check. Later gens tie the amount healed to the weather.
BRB grinding a Jumpluff

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Mist_Turnips
10/16/22 11:54:27 AM
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For what's supposed to be the Mt Fuji pokemon equivalent, it sure it small at only 3 screens.

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Homeless_Waifu
10/16/22 12:00:30 PM
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Mist_Turnips posted...
For what's supposed to be the Mt Fuji pokemon equivalent, it sure it small at only 3 screens.
Hardware limitations

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jumi
10/16/22 12:06:20 PM
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Isn't the inside of that cave dark? Since the area Red is in isn't dark, it would stand to reason he's outside.

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KainWind
10/16/22 12:07:45 PM
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Definitely always assumed cave in the original

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Gwynevere
10/16/22 12:10:13 PM
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The door out of the area has light shining though, so isnt it a cave?

Seems like it's intended to be a summit in other appearances but it definitely looks like its inside in GSC

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Solar_Crimson
10/16/22 12:14:47 PM
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Mist_Turnips posted...
For what's supposed to be the Mt Fuji pokemon equivalent, it sure it small at only 3 screens.
I mean, Saffron City is supposed to be Tokyo, and Saffron ingame is rather small itself.

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pokedude900
10/16/22 12:38:54 PM
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Gwynevere posted...
The door out of the area has light shining though, so isnt it a cave?

Seems like it's intended to be a summit in other appearances but it definitely looks like its inside in GSC

The door out of the area leads back into the mountain.

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saspa
10/16/22 12:52:13 PM
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Why didn't Red's team consist of a mewtwo? They shut down the cerulean cave, they could have at least made it so that Red had the Mewtwo. Espeon is so random

Shoulda been a mewtwo, charizard, venusaur, blastoise, raichu, and snorlax

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Solar_Crimson
10/16/22 12:56:03 PM
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saspa posted...
Why didn't Red's team consist of a mewtwo? They shut down the cerulean cave, they could have at least made it so that Red had the Mewtwo. Espeon is so random

Shoulda been a mewtwo, charizard, venusaur, blastoise, raichu, and snorlax
Mewtwo would have made the fight way too difficult and diminished Mewtwo's role as a Legendary, at least, at that point in the series history. Plus, Red canonically never caught Mewtwo.

And the point of his team was to have all of the Gen 1 starters, including a few gift or event Pokemon. Hence, why he has Pikachu instead of Raichu, and why he has Snorlax and Espeon (from the Eevee he can get in Celadon City). Though in HGSS, Espeon is replaced with Lapras, which still fits as a gift Pokemon since the only way to get Lapras in Gen 1 was from that guy in Silph Co.

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saspa
10/17/22 12:37:47 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...

Mewtwo would have made the fight way too difficult and diminished Mewtwo's role as a Legendary, at least, at that point in the series history. Plus, Red canonically never caught Mewtwo.

And the point of his team was to have all of the Gen 1 starters, including a few gift or event Pokemon. Hence, why he has Pikachu instead of Raichu, and why he has Snorlax and Espeon (from the Eevee he can get in Celadon City). Though in HGSS, Espeon is replaced with Lapras, which still fits as a gift Pokemon since the only way to get Lapras in Gen 1 was from that guy in Silph Co.

Huh I forgot about the Eevee in celadon city, I like this explanation.

I don't know how I feel about the remakes replacing it with lapras though. I like lapras but not as a pokemon to fight. Blastoise already covers the water part, lapras's inclusion is super redundant...

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gunplagirl
10/17/22 12:46:59 PM
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I thought it was indoors until HGSS made it outside for sure.

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discodancer77
10/17/22 12:56:55 PM
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saspa posted...
Huh I forgot about the Eevee in celadon city, I like this explanation.

I don't know how I feel about the remakes replacing it with lapras though. I like lapras but not as a pokemon to fight. Blastoise already covers the water part, lapras's inclusion is super redundant...

they wanted to make his team all-Kanto.

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ViewtifulJoe
10/17/22 1:00:39 PM
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I was recently wondering if one other reason they added the Lapras was to up the difficulty.
On top of his team getting a level boost, Lapras, Snorlax and Blastoise all have Blizzard, which won't miss in hail, does good damage and has a chance to freeze.

Also in the original, I kinda liked the vibe that Red had just found a secret golden cave and kind of made it his spot. Standing on the peak in the hail all day every day, that's gonna get cold.

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Seaman_Prime
10/17/22 1:07:18 PM
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As a kid i thought it was a cave, but being on the summit is a million times cooler
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lilORANG
10/17/22 1:13:08 PM
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It looked like a cave in the OGs, but they updated it to be the summit in subsequent versions.

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Solar_Crimson
10/17/22 2:01:31 PM
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discodancer77 posted...
they wanted to make his team all-Kanto.
Espeon at least is Kanto-adjacent.

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