Poll of the Day > Brunch bill includes 3.5% surcharge to cover servers insurance

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Business are getting more and more sneakier with math tactics. Charging people 3.5% and not telling them you're charging them is not the way keep customers coming back.

https://www.dailydot.com/irl/surcharge-for-healthcare/

Is the money actually being used for insurance? If so?m, great. Im all for it and itemized billing.

If its another delivery surcharge that a lot of pizza places do that in no way goes to anything but their bottom line for continuing to offer a service they did before, then fuck that noise.

if you can't fucking afford to pay your staff

then don't have a fucking business with staff

hera posted...

if you can't fucking afford to pay your staff

then don't have a fucking business with staff

If you can't afford to tip then don't go to places where that's expected

Muscles posted...

If you can't afford to tip then don't go to places where that's expected

How do those capitalist boot soles taste?

if you cant afford to be alive then lol capitalism

ZangsBeard posted...

How do those capitalist boot soles taste?

Stop being a Mr pink, you aren't some revolutionary making a stand against corruption, you are just being cheap

I do not work in the service industry, but a lot of servers make $20-25+ an hour with tips as far as I can tell.

I don't feel like a lot of places would be paying that much if we went to a system where tips were abolished and workers were paid a "living wage"

Muscles posted...

Stop being a Mr pink, you aren't some revolutionary making a stand against corruption, you are just being cheap

argonautweakend posted...

I do not work in the service industry, but a lot of servers make $20-25+ an hour with tips as far as I can tell.

I don't feel like a lot of places would be paying that much if we went to a system where tips were abolished and workers were paid a "living wage"

I don't like the concept of tipping and fight for decent wages for wait and kitchen staff, but I also tip for good service, or if I can afford to.

Wages should not be dependent on tips but their regular salary. I tend not to accept tips, though I did when I was a paperboy.

Muscles posted...

Stop being a Mr pink, you aren't some revolutionary making a stand against corruption, you are just being cheap

Slurp slurp said the boot licker

Not to mention I give good tips. But go off lol

Classic muscles

I'm not sure how I'm a boot licker but whatever you say buddy

Muscles posted...

I'm not sure how I'm a boot licker but whatever you say buddy

It's the pushback against the long-standing capitalist exploitation that is American society; you have been conditioned to believe in tipping as part of the culture and that offends some. Rather than try to reach for common ground, others lash out because it is easy too.

Also exasperation that despite 200,000 years of human history, we still have paleolithic brains and patterns of behaviour.

Muscles posted...

I'm not sure how I'm a boot licker but whatever you say buddy

Slurp slurp.

ZangsBeard posted...

How do those capitalist boot soles taste?

He has a point though. I hate the concept of tipping but I'd be pissed off if I was at dinner with a friend who didn't want to tip. It's just expected at places with table service (in America).

Now places where you order at a counter or are doing take out, nah. Lately I have been giving 10% because times are rough for a lot of people but I don't expect others to do the same.

I was ready to post this:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/7/4/AAUdByAADuOe.jpg

But Muscles is right. It's how it is now. If you disagree with tipping, then...don't go out to eat. If things were 'the way they should be' you'd just be paying more for your meal because restaurants are running on a stupidly thin margin, that they take out on on their staff. People expect a 'certain price', and balk when it's raised due to inflation and to pay staff accordingly. Restaurant pay culture in North America fucking blows. I'm still going to tip well when I go out so that the bloody staff can enjoy living a slightly less depraved life.

Shame on the place, but shame on customers that 'refuse to buy into tipping' while buying fucking restaurant food for being just as callous towards those employees as the owners.

sodium-chloride posted...

He has a point though. I hate the concept of tipping but I'd be pissed off if I was at dinner with a friend who didn't want to tip. It's just expected at places with table service (in America).

Now places where you order at a counter or are doing take out, nah. Lately I have been giving 10% because times are rough for a lot of people but I don't expect others to do the same.

Youre arguing the wrong issue with the response. But go off.

ZangsBeard posted...

Slurp slurp said the boot licker

Not to mention I give good tips. But go off lol

Kind of contradicting yourself calling someone a bootlicker for defending tipping while you admit to being a good tipper my dude. Pick a lane lol

OhhhJa posted...

Kind of contradicting yourself calling someone a bootlicker for defending tipping while you admit to being a good tipper my dude. Pick a lane lol

Except Im not defending it. Maybe learn to read but go off.

ZangsBeard posted...

Except Im not defending it. Maybe learn to read but go off.

You love to say go off but you're the guy who always "goes off." Effectively, you're defending the practice by being a "good tipper." So criticizing someone else for defending tipping while being a "good little tipper" makes you look kinda like a hypocrite

So you can't actually refute what was said and resort to sad attempts at an ad hominem. Got it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEQhA-JJlH0

ZangsBeard posted...

So you can't actually refute what was said and resort to sad attempts at an ad hominem. Got it.

Umm I did refute. That's actually what you're failing to do lol

makes sense... if you buy a building you have to pay the contractors insurance for them

ZangsBeard posted...

Youre arguing the wrong issue with the response. But go off.

Who is going off? I'm explaining a point of view but okay. Keep being confrontational instead of having a discussion. If you think I'm arguing the wrong issue I would love for you to clarify.

ReturnOfFa posted...

But Muscles is right. It's how it is now. If you disagree with tipping, then...don't go out to eat. If things were 'the way they should be' you'd just be paying more for your meal because restaurants are running on a stupidly thin margin, that they take out on on their staff. People expect a 'certain price', and balk when it's raised due to inflation and to pay staff accordingly. Restaurant pay culture in North America f***ing blows. I'm still going to tip well when I go out so that the bloody staff can enjoy living a slightly less depraved life.

Shame on the place, but shame on customers that 'refuse to buy into tipping' while buying f***ing restaurant food for being just as callous towards those employees as the owners.

Pretty much. Heck, even individual restaurants can't really be held responsible for underpaying their staff because that's what they need to do to remain even remotely competitive. People are more likely to buy something if the price they can see is lower, which is the same reason so many shops don't include tax in their prices. If one restaurant has 15% higher prices than their competitor but discourages tips, while their competitor relies on people adding at 15% themselves to make up the difference, people will generally choose the competitor.

It's a cultural problem, not one that any individual business, employee, or customer can really do anything about. If it's going to change, it's going to either require outright legislation (mandate a living wage for all employee salaries regardless of tips and prices will have to increase, with tipping falling off in turn) or a gradual change spearheaded by a small number of businesses that increase their prices slightly while encouraging customers to tip less by the same margin to compensate, eventually normalizing decent wages and smaller/non-existent tips. As it stands, though, the opposite is happening: Because minimum wages aren't keeping up with the cost of living, larger tips are needed to bring workers up to a living wage, which is resulting in that becoming the new norm.

As an individual refusing to tip, you aren't a visionary spearheading a cultural change. You're a single cheapskate making it harder for your server to pay rent. That is the full extent of the impact your act of righteous defiance will have, and that's not really something to be proud of.