Current Events > I don't get the hate for Rings of Power

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apocalyptic_4 posted...

The difference is noticeable with the dialog it's alot of nothing when you analyze it.

Maybe I'm just a philistine, but having read the books a couple of times, I didn't notice the dialogue of the show as being any different lol

It's all flowery poetic fantasy speech to me.

Doom_Art posted...

I mean, when talking about media this is a rather stupid statement to make lol

Especially when you just post Forbes opinion pieces to back it up.

Trump types hate it cause it has non white people

DarthAragorn posted...

Especially when you just post Forbes opinion pieces to back it up.

I didn't know the guy who writes the Wordle clues for Forbes was such an authority on Tolkien's work.

Ivynn posted...

I mean, isn't the lore part of LotR's appeal? Haven't watched it, so I can't say how bad it fudges it, but it's like, its identity. >_>

Most of the "shits on the lore" stuff is probably just nitpicky nerd stuff that isn't really that important, as vast swathes of the lore was written long after the author of the novels died. From what I can see none of the television show contradicts anything that was shown in the movies, so it's fine so far.

GranolaPanic posted...

It has a couple minorities in it, so alt right nerds are programmed to hate it.

House of the Dragon has a couple minorities in it and is crushing Rings of Power in critic reviews, audience reviews, and most importantly viewership.

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

House of the Dragon has a couple minorities in it and is crushing Rings of Power in critic reviews, audience reviews, and most importantly viewership.

There was definitely backlash about them but that died as soon as the show started.

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

House of the Dragon has a couple minorities in it and is crushing Rings of Power in critic reviews, audience reviews, and most importantly viewership.

Different viewer base. More like "average person" than "racist nerds".

Terrible writing.
Terrible characters and characterizations. Stupid and contrived character decisions (that not only go against established character personalities, but any semblance of sanity) just for the sake of having conflict.
Ridiculous dialogue
They can't find a way to make Galadriel a legit badass, so instead they make everyone else around her completely fucking stupid and incompetent, so she looks good by proxy.
Story is going nowhere, nothing is advancing the plot.
Shit's all over established Tolkien lore and timelines.

Nothing I stated above have anything to do with sexism and racism, it's just a horribly written and produced show. It reads like a bad fanfiction; the fact that there has been a billion dollar's invested into this is insane.

Isildur's sister is incredibly hot though, about the only positive thing I have to say. Who's very existence, by the way, completely shits over Tolkien lore. Isildur is supposed to have brother, Anarion, who rules Minas Anor (later Minas Tirith) while Isildur rules Minas Ithil (later Minas Morgul).

Edit: Yeah, just let me reiterate, I have no problems with women and minorities in this show. I'm willing to bet most people don't. By just handwaving any criticism by calling critics racist or sexist is doing a massive disservice to actual racism and sexism.

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

House of the Dragon has a couple minorities in it and is crushing Rings of Power in critic reviews, audience reviews, and most importantly viewership.

You Trumpers cried about that as well

VIXVLV posted...

Different viewer base. More like "average person" than "racist nerds".

Yeah apart from a very surface-level comparison, in terms of plot and audience the two shows aren't really similar

Also considering they premiere on separate nights on separate platforms in an age where people can stream something whenever lol

LeCh0nk posted...

Posts topic about "I don't get the hate for The Rings of Power"

Someone posts extremely valid criticisms

Doom_Art posted...

Oh okay, so you're just a troll, gotcha.

Despised posted...

I havent seen someone say what inaccuracies they are upset about, though Im not looking too hard

I stopped watching after the third episode, but the major inaccuracies that annoyed me involved Galadriel.

-She is absolutely nothing like her character in the lore from the 2nd age. She should be married to Celeborn by now and have given birth to Elrond's future wife.

-She was banned from going back to Valinor, and even if she wasn't would never have been convinced to go on that boat. She was interested in creating her own kingdom in the 2nd age.

-The show completely glosses over her powers as being one of the only Elves on middle earth to see the twin trees. She should be able to sense the desires and motives of all those around her, as well as communicate mentally. Her men betraying her in the first episode was laughable for that reason alone.

-She should be much much much older than she is portrayed, and would be taking orders from nobody. She is basically the 3rd generation of all elves, while Gil-Galad is 5th or 6th. The High King wouldn't presume to tell her shit. Nobody goes around ordering their great aunts. She is either a similar age to Cerebrimbor, whose actor looks 40-50, or even slightly older. They don't go into his age in too much detail in the Silmarillon.

Elrond's actor looks older than Galadriel, which is insane to me as well.

I didn't mind the Harfoots or Arondir. The change they made to their portrayal of Durin (the reincarnation aspect) was understandable. Elrond and Cerebrimbor showing up without an entourage is fucking hilarious though. There is no way they wouldn't have a huge host of escorts as befitting their station, but whatever.

A lot of it falls on Galadriel to me

It's fine.

Stop being whiny little shitbags about everything.

Allanon23 posted...

I stopped watching after the third episode, but the major inaccuracies that annoyed me involved Galadriel.

-She is absolutely nothing like her character in the lore from the 2nd age. She should be married to Celeborn by now and have given birth to Elrond's future wife.

-She was banned from going back to Valinor, and even if she wasn't would never have been convinced to go on that boat.

-The show completely glosses over her powers as being one of the only Elves on middle earth to see the twin trees. She should be able to sense the desires and motives of all those around her, as well as communicate mentally. Her men betraying her in the first episode was laughable for that reason alone.

-She should be much much much older than she is portrayed, and would be taking orders from nobody. She is basically the 3rd generation of all elves, while Gil-Galad is 5th or 6th. The High King wouldn't presume to tell her shit. Nobody goes around ordering their great aunts.

cant disagree with you on any of that as the elves in general are my only qualms with the show

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

House of the Dragon has a couple minorities in it and is crushing Rings of Power in critic reviews, audience reviews, and most importantly viewership.

That also had its share of hate. Also HoD is a better show than RoP and it also changes stuff from the book.

Sphyx posted...

It's fine.

Stop being whiny little shitbags about everything.

BUT I WANT TO SCREECH UNINTELLIGIBLY!!!!

elves with normal haircuts just feels weird

Despised posted...

elves with normal haircuts just feels weird

Elrond in every scene looking fresh as fuck and I love it

Doom_Art posted...

Elrond in every scene looking fresh as fuck and I love it

elrond is a NPH lookalike chad and my immersion is only broken when I imagine him transforming into Hugo weaving

Despised posted...

elves with normal haircuts just feels weird

It does lol. I missed the long haired elves tbh.

I bet in this timeline Elrond is the trendsetter who grows his hair out, animorphing into Hugo weaving

Allanon23 posted...

It does lol. I missed the long haired elves tbh.

A billion dollar budget and they can't afford wigs.

CARRRNE_ASADA posted...

That also had its share of hate. Also HoD is a better show than RoP and it also changes stuff from the book.

HoD (as a side series book) also doesn't have the same number of hardcore fans as Tolkien's world in general, and GRRM himself is involved in the show, so it lends a lot more credence to changes (which I admit I don't know the scale of).

Doom_Art posted...

Go eat soup

VIXVLV posted...

Different viewer base. More like "average person" than "racist nerds".

"average person" vs "nerds". There's nothing racist about it. Please stop calling anything you don't agree with racist.

VampireCoyote posted...

Who even wanted a LotR prequel

Silmarillion anthology would be great, but lawyers wouldn't let that happen.

LeCh0nk posted...

"average person" vs "nerds". There's nothing racist about it. Please stop calling anything you don't agree with racist.

Are you a Trump supporter? This seems like a dumb Trumper thing to say

Rathinor posted...

Are you a Trump supporter? This seems like a dumb Trumper thing to say

No, I'm not. I hate Trump and everything he stands for. Kindly point out to me any racist thing I said in post 61.

Also, just watching the prologue of FotR. Elrond in that epic Battle against Sauron's forces doesn't take place too long after the events of this show. They couldn't find an actor who looked at least a little bit like Hugo Weaving? Post 66 already pointed out most of the problems with Galadriel, but she shouldn't be half the age of Cate Blanchett's Galadriel.

LeCh0nk posted...

No, I'm not. I hate Trump and everything he stands for. Kindly point out to me any racist thing I said in post 61.

Also, just watching the prologue of FotR. Elrond in that epic Battle against Sauron's forces doesn't take place too long after the events of this show. They couldn't find an actor who looked at least a little bit like Hugo Weaving? Post 66 already pointed out most of the problems with Galadriel, but she shouldn't be half the age of Cate Blanchett's Galadriel.

you realistically cant hold all future adaptations to have to cast according to other portrayals, I wish we could but thats impossible

Performance > appearance

Same thing as with people bitching about the actor who played Han in the Solo movie.

You find a good actor first, maintaining the appearance is secondary.

Allanon23 posted...

I stopped watching after the third episode, but the major inaccuracies that annoyed me involved Galadriel.

-She is absolutely nothing like her character in the lore from the 2nd age. She should be married to Celeborn by now and have given birth to Elrond's future wife.

-She was banned from going back to Valinor, and even if she wasn't would never have been convinced to go on that boat. She was interested in creating her own kingdom in the 2nd age.

-The show completely glosses over her powers as being one of the only Elves on middle earth to see the twin trees. She should be able to sense the desires and motives of all those around her, as well as communicate mentally. Her men betraying her in the first episode was laughable for that reason alone.

-She should be much much much older than she is portrayed, and would be taking orders from nobody. She is basically the 3rd generation of all elves, while Gil-Galad is 5th or 6th. The High King wouldn't presume to tell her shit. Nobody goes around ordering their great aunts. She is either a similar age to Cerebrimbor, whose actor looks 40-50, or even slightly older. They don't go into his age in too much detail in the Silmarillon.

This mostly. And there's a lot more. What kinda got to me a bit was the way mithril was handled that last episode...

LeCh0nk posted...

"average person" vs "nerds".

Racist nerds can stop being racist any time they want, but first they have to stop.

Ar0ge posted...

This mostly. And there's a lot more. What kinda got to me a bit was the way mithril was handled that last episode...

I imagine it's gotten much worse since the 3rd episode lol.

As someone who has not read any of the LOTR books, I find the show a slow slog at times. I don't necessarily hate it, but I don't really like it so much that I will go crazy not being able to watch the episode when it releases. I also feel like the writing and scene choices/special effects are a bit off at times. Like, I still laugh at how stupid that slow motion horse riding scene was in episode 3. I don't know why they decided to try and make that an epic slow motion scene with weird zoom-ins to boot.

everytime I think I'm finally going to watch it, I just end up watching that Thunderbirds reboot for three hours

MarcoRubio posted...

It shits on the lore

So did the Shadows of Mordor games.

008Zulu posted...

So did the Shadows of Mordor games.

so does the new Thunderbirds, but I can't stop watching it.

MarcoRubio posted...

Posts topic about "I don't get the hate for The Rings of Power"

Someone posts extremely valid criticisms

Oh okay, so you're just a troll, gotcha.

I mean, that's his shtick. He picks bad movies and shows and then says everyone who hates them are bigoted

I'm enjoying it as a fan of the movies. The pace is pretty slow but it feels like Lord of the Rings and the overall presentation is incredible.

I think I'll wait for the whole season (what, eight episodes?) and blow through it all over a weekend.

The show is gimped from giving a full adaptation of events from the Second Age because they are limited to the information in the Appendix to Return of the King. Therefore, the writers are making crap up to fill in the gaps.

The best way to do the Second Age would be Sauron as a Trump-like, where you don't fully know he's the villain until shit goes sideways, and yes he's the bad guy.

Tolkien actually wrote it that way

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2022/09/18/the-rings-of-power-has-inexplicably-terrible-writing/?sh=5fb2727a18a0

The show is objectively bad, and no evidence that it has been review bombed, pretty much no one likes it

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2022/09/20/four-episodes-in-the-rings-of-power-has-not-swayed-audiences/amp/

You dont understand what objectively means

Similar to the Hobbit, whatever happens in this show wont matter much since we already have the three LOTR movies.

Doom_Art posted...

Just to add onto this, you saw this a ton with the Halo show. Which, admittedly was not very good. However, if you popped into any video about the series, or any fan community, it was filled with people who hated it watching it week to week and filling threads with negative comments.

Like yeah, it's okay to dislike something. But my solution was to... not watch it? I couldn't do something week after week if it was going to cause me so much grief.

Also similarly annoying was LOST, even a decade later. One user on here (I think it was jeff) started a watch thread mentioning he'd watched the pilot and loved it. Immediately the thread gets filled with people spoiling shit and telling him to stop watching the show.

Absolutely. Best way Ive seen to describe it was the way that someone on another board here put it: fandom brain rot. Thats definitely an apt description, Id say.

Obviously the show is being review bombed by racist salt right freaks but I'm starting to get disappointed. The pacing is way too slow and with 3 episodes left I dont see how anything is going to resolve in a satisfying way. I understand it's supposed to be like 5 seasons but you have to give us something in season 1.

Almost nothing happened in episode 5. You could probably cut out 90% of that episode and glue the remaining 10% onto episode 4 and nobody would have noticed.

They should have gotten the rights for everything before making this and started with showing morgoth. The Balrog lore was a huge missed opportunity where we could have saw something like the Balrog from the trilogy but we got a 5 second still frame instead.

I would also cut out a lot of the cast and introduce them at a later time. Too many plots going on and everything is moving at a crawl.

Shadow_Don posted...

Almost nothing happened in episode 5. You could probably cut out 90% of that episode and glue the remaining 10% onto episode 4 and nobody would have noticed.

I thought Episode 4 was a good setup for a bunch of things in Ep 5 but then nothing happened in that episode either other than more setup.

eaglei3 posted...

As someone who has not read any of the LOTR books, I find the show a slow slog at times. I don't necessarily hate it, but I don't really like it so much that I will go crazy not being able to watch the episode when it releases. I also feel like the writing and scene choices/special effects are a bit off at times. Like, I still laugh at how stupid that slow motion horse riding scene was in episode 3. I don't know why they decided to try and make that an epic slow motion scene with weird zoom-ins to boot.

This for me. I dont care all that much for LoTR in general but was open to watching. But its been boring and dialogue is cringy. I laughed out loud at the slow mo horse riding scene too. That was ridiculous. I think you have half the hardcore fanbase who love it, the other half who hate it, and then everyone else who just thinks its meh.

I also really really cant stand Galadriel. Shes so one dimensional. I cant tell if the actress is just bad or the character badly written.