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DoDontTry
09/23/22 6:32:48 PM
#103:


TMOG posted...
What is the character's name

Plum Pudding now please stop doing this dumb gotcha
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TMOG
09/23/22 6:33:29 PM
#104:


DoDontTry posted...
Plum Pudding now please stop doing this dumb gotcha
Watch the video
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DoDontTry
09/23/22 6:34:00 PM
#105:


So it's not Plum Pudding?
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CyricZ
09/23/22 6:34:00 PM
#106:


Calling it a "dumb gotcha" implies you haven't built your argument around a misconception about the character.

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EyeWontBeFooled
09/23/22 6:34:43 PM
#107:


DoDontTry posted...


So, why are you being obtuse?

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DoDontTry
09/23/22 6:35:04 PM
#108:


CyricZ posted...
Calling it a "dumb gotcha" implies you haven't built your argument around a misconception about the character.

There's not even a conception to be had. There is no indication this character is trans without the label.
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CyricZ
09/23/22 6:36:43 PM
#109:


DoDontTry posted...
There's not even a conception to be had. There is no indication this character is trans without the label.
And you have a problem with that.

You have a problem that a trans person can't just look like everyone else and also be trans.

I mean you must have a problem, because here we are, fifty extra posts in.

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DoDontTry
09/23/22 6:37:54 PM
#110:


CyricZ posted...
And you have a problem with that.

You have a problem that a trans person can't just look like everyone else and also be trans.

I mean you must have a problem, because here we are, fifty extra posts in.

Wrong. I have a problem with not explaining what trans is.

We are only fifty posts in because you're having a melty.
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TMOG
09/23/22 6:38:12 PM
#111:


DoDontTry posted...
There's not even a conception to be had. There is no indication this character is trans without the label.
So you've watched the entire episode, or just not-watched the clip?
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CyricZ
09/23/22 6:46:25 PM
#112:


DoDontTry posted...
Wrong. I have a problem with not explaining what trans is.
I guess this goes back to my earlier question of: do you feel it's the show's responsibility to explain all that?

Or is this just a trans person (trans berry) appearing in something and that being it?

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DoDontTry
09/23/22 6:50:48 PM
#113:


CyricZ posted...
I guess this goes back to my earlier question of: do you feel it's the show's responsibility to explain all that?

Or is this just a trans person (trans berry) appearing in something and that being it?

Why would I have a problem with this? I literally have stated multiple times kids need to be more educated about this stuff.
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TMOG
09/23/22 6:51:35 PM
#114:


How come you keep avoiding simple questions

Is it because you're insincere
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CyricZ
09/23/22 6:52:47 PM
#115:


DoDontTry posted...
Why would I have a problem with this? I literally have stated multiple times kids need to be more educated about this stuff.

do you feel it's the show's responsibility to explain all that?


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DoDontTry
09/23/22 6:57:06 PM
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I think it's society's responsibility to provide education for children about disenfranchised groups of people and explain everything in a way for them to understand and learn empathy.
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CallingStation
09/23/22 7:01:38 PM
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CyricZ posted...
Seems difficult to prove, given my charity work, protest work, and donations, but I'd rather not get into the weeds of his purity test.

*Tosses a chip into the middle*

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Gamespoht
09/23/22 7:05:10 PM
#118:


DoDontTry posted...
I think it's society's responsibility to provide education for children about disenfranchised groups of people and explain everything in a way for them to understand and learn empathy.
You can't expect children's media to explain everything, schools and home life should also involve reasonable discussion and teaching well-behavior

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DoDontTry
09/23/22 7:06:35 PM
#119:


Gamespoht posted...
You can't expect children's media to explain everything, schools and home life should also involve reasonable discussion and teaching well-behavior

That is fair, but I'd at least expect some form of effort instead of some lazy "here you go"
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CyricZ
09/23/22 7:07:37 PM
#120:


DoDontTry posted...
I think it's society's responsibility to provide education for children about disenfranchised groups of people and explain everything in a way for them to understand and learn empathy.
I agree, but guess what.

You still didn't answer the question.

Because I asked specifically about this show. This eight-minutes-per-episode show about a pastry-based society and economy.

Do you think such a show should not be allowed to get away with simply mentioning a person being trans without explaining what being trans is? Do you think that's causing any kind of harm to transgender people?

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Virgalyssa
09/23/22 7:09:17 PM
#121:


What is this horrendous artstyle? That's like Loud House levels of bad. I wasn't even alive in the 80s and 90% of the 90s but I still wish more shows looked more like that and less like.. modern cartoons.

Also my inner fashion sense mourns the original dress which looked way prettier.

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DoDontTry
09/23/22 7:11:15 PM
#122:


CyricZ posted...
I agree, but guess what.

You still didn't answer the question.

Because I asked specifically about this show. This eight-minutes-per-episode show about a pastry-based society and economy.

Do you think such a show should not be allowed to get away with simply mentioning a person being trans without explaining what being trans is? Do you think that's causing any kind of harm to transgender people?

Well it depends. Is this a one off episode? If so, then yes it indirectly sends a confusing message. If she's a reoccurring character, then there's obviously time for them to establish a real character arc and develop the character more.
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ShotWaifu
09/23/22 7:12:06 PM
#123:


Virgalyssa posted...
What is this horrendous artstyle? That's like Loud House levels of bad. I wasn't even alive in the 80s and 90% of the 90s but I still wish more shows looked more like that and less like.. modern cartoons.

Also my inner fashion sense mourns the original dress which looked way prettier.

Agree that the older designs look better.
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TMOG
09/23/22 7:14:54 PM
#124:


Virgalyssa posted...
I wasn't even alive in the 80s and 90% of the 90s but I still wish more shows looked more like that and less like.. modern cartoons.
The thing about cartoons from the 80s and early 90s is that while they look fine in still shots, the vast majority of them do NOT look fine in motion, especially the ones that were exclusively made to sell toys -- and that was basically every 80s cartoon.
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bobbaaay
09/23/22 7:18:10 PM
#125:


Virgalyssa posted...
What is this horrendous artstyle? That's like Loud House levels of bad. I wasn't even alive in the 80s and 90% of the 90s but I still wish more shows looked more like that and less like.. modern cartoons.

Also my inner fashion sense mourns the original dress which looked way prettier.

Hard, hard disagree. Most of the older designs look hideous. All of them do, actually. The 2003 is the worst.

I think the newest design in the cartoon posted is the only one that's tolerable -- and I grew up with lots of Strawberry Shortcake stuff in my house, since I had a half sister who grew up in the seventies/early eighties.
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Gamespoht
09/23/22 7:18:24 PM
#126:


DoDontTry posted...
Well it depends. Is this a one off episode? If so, then yes it indirectly sends a confusing message. If she's a reoccurring character, then there's obviously time for them to establish a real character arc and develop the character more.
Your acting as if her identity is her entire character

Did you miss the part where she's a fashion model

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FelineCyborg
09/23/22 8:39:38 PM
#127:


Don't see what the big woop is. Lot of progressive shortcake characters

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/3/5/AARBoTAADtNz.jpg

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Mistere_Man
09/23/22 9:35:13 PM
#128:


FelineCyborg posted...
Don't see what the big woop is. Lot of progressive shortcake characters

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/3/5/AARBoTAADtNz.jpg
The first and second version looks like my grandmother.

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FelineCyborg
09/23/22 10:20:27 PM
#129:


TMOG posted...
The thing about cartoons from the 80s and early 90s is that while they look fine in still shots, the vast majority of them do NOT look fine in motion, especially the ones that were exclusively made to sell toys -- and that was basically every 80s cartoon.

Or they had fantastic openings animated in Japan and then the actual show looked like ass

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Virgalyssa
09/23/22 10:25:58 PM
#130:


bobbaaay posted...
Hard, hard disagree. Most of the older designs look hideous. All of them do, actually. The 2003 is the worst.

I think the newest design in the cartoon posted is the only one that's tolerable -- and I grew up with lots of Strawberry Shortcake stuff in my house, since I had a half sister who grew up in the seventies/early eighties.
Truly? Huh, to each their own I suppose
TMOG posted...
The thing about cartoons from the 80s and early 90s is that while they look fine in still shots, the vast majority of them do NOT look fine in motion, especially the ones that were exclusively made to sell toys -- and that was basically every 80s cartoon.
Ah yeah I can see that. Still, I'd like to see this kind of style brought back and made to look better in motion more often.

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BB_mofo
09/23/22 11:16:08 PM
#131:


Virgalyssa posted...
Ah yeah I can see that. Still, I'd like to see this kind of style brought back and made to look better in motion more often.

Strawberry Shortcake is a strange case. She was originally a line of stationary and greeting cards done in watercolor that were sold in Hallmark stores. Then she got her own toys, with the cartoon being last.

There was another character franchise sold in Hallmark stores introduced around the same time named Holly Hobbie. She was a pioneer girl in the vain of Laura Ingalls from "Little House on the Prairie." She never got as big as Strawberry Shortcake did. Personally, I think it's her design since they never showed her face.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/4/6/AADR1fAADtPi.png

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Onimusha
09/24/22 1:18:51 AM
#132:


BB_mofo posted...
Strawberry Shortcake is a strange case. She was originally a line of stationary and greeting cards done in watercolor that were sold in Hallmark stores. Then she got her own toys, with the cartoon being last.

There was another character franchise sold in Hallmark stores introduced around the same time named Holly Hobbie. She was a pioneer girl in the vain of Laura Ingalls from "Little House on the Prairie." She never got as big as Strawberry Shortcake did. Personally, I think it's her design since they never showed her face.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/4/6/AADR1fAADtPi.png
Theres something super creepy about that thing

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Questionmarktarius
09/24/22 1:21:36 AM
#133:


Onimusha posted...
Theres something super creepy about that thing
it's like a hand-drawn Tool video.
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GrandConjuraton
09/24/22 1:24:09 AM
#134:


I've always headcanoned that Plum Pudding is trans, >.< . She was a guy in the original, but is a girl in everything else.

I know it was just a play to sell more dolls, but... no one can stop me on this, lol.

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GrandConjuraton
09/24/22 1:26:22 AM
#135:


Also, Strawberry Shortcake is one of my favorite franchises, so this is actually really nice.

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Questionmarktarius
09/24/22 1:27:23 AM
#136:


GrandConjuraton posted...
I've always headcanoned that Plum Pudding is trans, >.< . She was a guy in the original, but is a girl in everything else.
and somehow de-aged by about thirty years.
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ShotWaifu
09/24/22 11:16:54 PM
#137:


So which of the waifus do you guys most want to kill?
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VampireCoyote
09/24/22 11:18:48 PM
#138:


Good. Trans rights are human rights.

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Onimusha
09/25/22 12:33:47 AM
#139:


ShotWaifu posted...
So which of the waifus do you guys most want to kill?
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McMarbles
09/25/22 12:55:00 AM
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Are we actually complaining that the modern versions dont look like uglier Cabbage Patch dolls?

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Questionmarktarius
09/25/22 12:55:21 AM
#142:


VampireCoyote posted...
Good. Trans rights are human rights.
What rights are trans still missing?
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CyricZ
09/25/22 7:36:43 AM
#143:


Questionmarktarius posted...
What rights are trans still missing?

https://freedomforallamericans.org/legislative-tracker/anti-transgender-legislation/

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