Current Events > Captain America is an idiot (MCU spoilers)

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Half the world got dusted in large part because the Avengers couldn't put up a unified front. And they couldn't put up a unified front because he decided to break up the team when some girl he wanted to bork said to be inflexible.

Thats a ghost pepper hot take but still no

Weird I thought everyone had seen the movies.

I mean obviously. His power is a drug. He doesn't know as much about you as you know about him

MysteryMan923 posted...

And they couldn't put up a unified front because he decided to break up the team when some girl he wanted to bork said to be inflexible.

I thought it was because Tony was too stubborn to make a phone call and opted to ignore Stranges advice by taking Thanos head on with only three people. He didnt know the Guardians would show up.

Meanwhile literally every other Avenger was with Steve in Wakanda.

apparently we're under the assumption that cap knew about thanos by the time civil war took place.

AsucaHayashi posted...

apparently we're under the assumption that cap knew about thanos by the time civil war took place.

He didn't have to know. They'd already seen world ending shit more than enough times so why risk it? He should've done what he could to keep the band together.

He's an idiot for never getting laid and having to go back in time in order to. What a fucking moron.

Smashingpmkns posted...

He's an idiot for never getting laid and having to go back in time in order to. What a fucking moron.

Its been confirmed that he had sex before.

A movie happened where at the end the villain just teleports in, fucks everyone up and then halves the universes population. Garbage.

Tony was right. accountable needs to be a thing. Don't believe look at how many cops get away with horrible stuff because they police themselves.

Civil War ends with Steve saying hell be there anytime Tony needs him?

if anything it was Tony who broke up the avengers.

Cap was right in Civil War though. It's Iron Man's fault.

MysteryMan923 posted...

Half the world got dusted in large part because the Avengers couldn't put up a unified front. And they couldn't put up a unified front because he decided to break up the team when some girl he wanted to bork said to be inflexible.

This is factually wrong though. Prior to Civil War, the Avengers lineup was Cap, Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Widow, Scarlet Witch, Vision and Falcon. Hawkeye retired just prior to IW.

Towards the end of IW, Iron Man was on Titan with Spider-Man, who Tony had just unilaterally made an Avenger, and Dr Strange, who was neither an Avenger nor known to the Avengers prior to IW. Why was Tony on Titan? Because he's hot headed and decided to go after Ebony Maw instead of contacting Steve.

Cap, Widow, Thor, Banner, Scarlet Witch, and Vision meanwhile came together alongside Black Panther, Shuri, Okoye, Rocket, Groot, the Winter Soldier and the Wakandans to face Thanos army in Wakanda.

Seems to me like the only Avenger that didn't join the party was Tony and that's due to his own unwillingness to work with Steve and arrogance.

There is a strong argument to be made that a team of incredibly powerful individuals would need some level of oversight by the government(s).

The problem is that since Cap woke up he watched the government try to nuke its own city, an act said team of powerful individuals had to stop and then later found out that the it had been infested at the very core by a secret society of terrorist on all levels. Said terrorist who tried to use government resources to kill millions upon millions of people. An act that was once again prevented by Cap and his friends.

So it's kinda easy to see why Steve had some pretty major reservations about the whole oversight thing. Especially when there primary goal was to capture his framed friend.

If a good idea relies on a fundamentally broken system, it's not a good idea.

AgentCoulson posted...

This is factually wrong though. Prior to Civil War, the Avengers lineup was Cap, Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Widow, Scarlet Witch, Vision and Falcon. Hawkeye retired just prior to IW.

Towards the end of IW, Iron Man was on Titan with Spider-Man, who Tony had just unilaterally made an Avenger, and Dr Strange, who was neither an Avenger nor known to the Avengers prior to IW. Why was Tony on Titan? Because he's hot headed and decided to go after Ebony Maw instead of contacting Steve.

Cap, Widow, Thor, Banner, Scarlet Witch, and Vision meanwhile came together alongside Black Panther, Shuri, Okoye, Rocket, Groot, the Winter Soldier and the Wakandans to face Thanos army in Wakanda.

Seems to me like the only Avenger that didn't join the party was Tony and that's due to his own unwillingness to work with Steve and arrogance.

Oh yeah, Tony should've just let Ebony Maw kill Dr. Strange and take the time stone. That's what a hero would do, right? Or do you somehow think that if he called Cap right then and there, Cap would be able to get to NYC in the blink of an eye, they'd be able to get into space without a spaceship, and be able to track Ebony with a presumably significant headstart and no idea where he's going? Calling wouldn't have helped at all in that situation. All Tony knew was that he can't let Thanos get all the stones and Strange has a stone so he better protect him.

Yeah, Captain America had more avengers with him by the time they fought Thanos. And yet they were actually more useless than Iron Man's slapdash group lol.

Tbh they should have just gone back to earth instead of having another set piece on titan.

02fran posted...

Yeah, Captain America had more avengers with him by the time they fought Thanos. And yet they were actually more useless than Iron Man's slapdash group lol.

To be fair, Tony's team had Strange on it. That's all he really needed.

cuttin_in_farm posted...

I thought it was because Tony was too stubborn to make a phone call and opted to ignore Stranges advice by taking Thanos head on with only three people. He didnt know the Guardians would show up.

Meanwhile literally every other Avenger was with Steve in Wakanda.

Apparently none of Strange's advice fucking matters since there was only one possible way to defeat Thanos.

Also clearly the fucking bullshit about the snap being random was also bullshit since the mere permutations of who lives/dies 14 million possible outcomes is such a tiny sliver of possibilities that he basically might as well not even have bothered looking.

"Tony should've been on Earth. It's his fault!"

You don't think in the bajillion futures Strange saw he didn't see one where they portaled back to Wakanda?

Compsognathus posted...

If a good idea relies on a fundamentally broken system, it's not a good idea.

That was Shield not the UN. And his friend literally has been going around killing innocent people. Because they were wrong about one of his murders doesn't mean they shouldn't be going after him for all of his other crimes. Moreover, just because you are innocent doesn't mean you get to beat up police.

The team time literal has a woman who has joined two terrorist groups and mind ---- Hulk and set him lose on an African City and never had to pay for anything she did.Now that crazy loon as wiped out heroes in a number of worlds while trying to kill a child. That is who Cap defended.

MysteryMan923 posted...

Oh yeah, Tony should've just let Ebony Maw kill Dr. Strange and take the time stone. That's what a hero would do, right?

This wouldn't be a problem if he'd called Cap earlier in the film when Banner suggested it.

Or do you somehow think that if he called Cap right then and there, Cap would be able to get to NYC in the blink of an eye,

By that point, no. But again if Tony had called Steve earlier when Banner suggested it at the Sanctum Sanctorum, Strange could've portaled Steve and every other Avenger to their location instantly.

they'd be able to get into space without a spaceship, and be able to track Ebony with a presumably significant headstart and no idea where he's going?

Again, if Tony had called when it was suggested then Steve, Nat, Wanda, Vision, and Sam at least would've been there to help. That's pretty much the Avengers minus Thor.

Calling wouldn't have helped at all in that situation.

We'll never know because Tony didn't do it. "The Avengers broke up."

All Tony knew was that he can't let Thanos get all the stones and Strange has a stone so he better protect him.

All the more reason to swallow his pride and call for backup before Squidward and Patrick show up.

Earlier in the film when? Ebony's ship landed like two minutes after Bruce said he should call. You act like Tony just sat on it forever or that Cap can just use instant transmission to get there. That's not how it works.

MysteryMan923 posted...

Earlier in the film when? Ebony's ship landed like two minutes after Bruce said he should call.

Tony and Bruce had enough time to stand there and talk about the Avengers breaking up. That time could've been spent telling Steve about Bruce's warning. Hell, if he had called Steve and Ebony May arrivee right then and there, what difference does it make? He could've stayed on the phone with Steve as he walked outside to see what was going on.

You act like Tony just sat on it forever or that Cap can just use instant transmission to get there. That's not how it works.

Except with Portal Man standing right beside him, it kinda is how it works.

AgentCoulson posted...

Tony and Bruce had enough time to stand there and talk about the Avengers breaking up. That time could've been spent telling Steve about Bruce's warning. Hell, if he had called Steve and Ebony May arrivee right then and there, what difference does it make? He could've stayed on the phone with Steve as he walked outside to see what was going on.

Except with Portal Man standing right beside him, it kinda is how it works.

"Why didn't Tony immediately act in what I consider the optimal way when he had mere seconds to decide and didn't even know he had said time limit?"

We're really stretching hard to try and make Tony look bad here when it's Cap's fault for choosing Bucky (who did fuck all in the movie aside from swing Rocket around) and some girl he wanted to bork.

And while we are at it. Captain America killed a lot of a Wakandans to as a damn robot.

cjsdowg posted...

And while we are at it. Captain America killed a lot of a Wakandans to as a damn robot.

"We don't trade lives...if you're one of the main cast. If you're a background character idgaf."

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


One life compared to all of the people fighting and dying to stop him. That math don't work.

MysteryMan923 posted...

"Why didn't Tony immediately act in what I consider the optimal way when he had mere seconds to decide and didn't even know he had said time limit?"

My brother in Christ, Tony and Bruce have a whole ass dialogue after Tony realizes that Steve is the only one who might know where the Mind Stone is.

https://youtu.be/bN8mtW-XHFU

You really going to tell me that it's not Tony's fault for going "It's not that simple. Steve and I broke up. We don't see each other anymore. You've missed a lot. Wanna grab a coffee?" instead of just calling Steve?

when it's Cap's fault for choosing Bucky

The fuck?

One life compared to all of the people fighting and dying to stop him. That math don't work.

Those people chose to fight and die defending Vision and the earth. You're the one reaching.

AgentCoulson posted...

Those people chose to fight and die defending Vision and the earth. You're the one reaching.

Right defending a robot.

Also your video does not help your point about calling Cap. In that video you see that is when he found out that he needed to call him. And it took him less then 30 seconds to say okay he will call. But before that , could happen stuff hit the fans.So yeah he didn't have time.

If his costume has a cape, he'd trip on it.

owait...

cjsdowg posted...

Tony was right. accountable needs to be a thing. Don't believe look at how many cops get away with horrible stuff because they police themselves.

The irony is, the accountability never became a thing. Wanda was not put back in her cell aboard The Raft for the events at Westview. Scott Lang got in trouble for violating his house arrest, but he didn't get thrown back in his cell either. Hawkeye parked a traffic stopping arrow on a bridge, not so much as a stern talking to. Civil War destroyed the Avengers for nothing.

MysteryMan923 posted...

Oh yeah, Tony should've just let Ebony Maw kill Dr. Strange and take the time stone. That's what a hero would do, right? Or do you somehow think that if he called Cap right then and there, Cap would be able to get to NYC in the blink of an eye, they'd be able to get into space without a spaceship, and be able to track Ebony with a presumably significant headstart and no idea where he's going? Calling wouldn't have helped at all in that situation. All Tony knew was that he can't let Thanos get all the stones and Strange has a stone so he better protect him.

Strange just portals them home and the ship goes to Titan.

Cap was in the right.

AlCalavicci posted...

Cap was in the right.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/4/4/AARebuAADrrg.jpg

I'd say he is in the left.

It is kind of a funny how people ( myself include) pick sides.

Like John Walker, he cause less damage then Wanda and everyone is speaking about how evil he is But Wanda is still getting passes from people after trying to kill a kid.

cjsdowg posted...

It is kind of a funny how people ( myself include) pick sides.

Like John Walker, he cause less damage then Wanda and everyone is speaking about how evil he is But Wanda is still getting passes from people after trying to kill a kid.

i like Wanda as a character because she has a fascinating story arc, not because I think she was in the right or that she can be redeemed.

cjsdowg posted...

Right defending a robot.

Vision isnt a robot really. He's a sentient being.

Also, Steve doesnt control the Wakandan army. T'Challa does and it would have been his fault that they were fighting for vision. He wasnt an avenger and could have told them to fuck off when they showed up there.

AlCalavicci posted...

i like Wanda as a character because she has a fascinating story arc, not because I think she was in the right or that she can be redeemed.

You are not the people I am talking about :0) . There are literally people who defend her actions. Saying she did nothing wrong, no one tried to help her ect.

I4NRulez posted...

Vision isnt a robot really. He's a sentient being.

Also, Steve doesnt control the Wakandan army. T'Challa does and it would have been his fault that they were fighting for vision. He wasnt an avenger and could have told them to fuck off when they showed up there.

If Steve said "Sorry Vision, but you gotta go" everyone else would've fallen in line especially since Vision was ok with it. Yeah, Steve isn't king of Wakanda, but he holds a lot of sway. There's blood on his hands.

If vision was actually worthy of Thor's hammer he would have ripped the gem out of his head himself.

Is he gone forever?

That kind of made me mad, I wish the other Avengers would have punched him square in the jaw once they realized what he had just tdone.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/4/7/AAe3REAADsC_.jpg

Is it worth getting into MCU just for Dr. Doom? Does he actually symbolize doom?

Ultimately it's Tony and less so, Banner's fault for trying to create Ultron, which led down the path of breaking them up and then leaving them unprepared for the main villain.

HornyLevel posted...

Ultimately it's Tony and less so, Banner's fault for trying to create Ultron, which led down the path of breaking them up and then leaving them unprepared for the main villain.

And he only did that because Wanda -----ed up his mind. And she never had to pay for that either. Wanda is the living embodiment of why Cap was wrong.