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itachi15243
09/11/22 12:17:15 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
You can buy loot boxes from Oikos in Odyssey and Reda in Valhalla.

My main guess is that they're keeping the loot box system but finally allowing you to buy whatever currency you have to use to buy a loot box with actual real money. Or just outright selling loot boxes.

I assume it's actually worse.

A lot of games still gane loot boxes, and aren't ao. I assume we'll see something like being able to sell/trade loot box items online or for real cash somehow.

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FunkyCat
09/11/22 12:17:43 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
How are lootboxes considered real gambling BTW?

In real gambling, you put up some of your money usually at a disadvantage hoping to win more real money. With lootboxes, you are spending your money at a disadvantage hoping to win digital items. Even if you win you lose
How much did EA/Ubisoft pay you?

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Damn_Underscore
09/11/22 12:18:55 PM
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FunkyCat posted...
How much did EA/Ubisoft pay you?

didn't actually read my 2.5 line post

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hockeybub89
09/11/22 12:20:34 PM
#54:


Bio1590 posted...
You can buy loot boxes from Oikos in Odyssey and Reda in Valhalla
Shit, you're right about Odyssey, but I'm pretty sure they only sell a random selection of DLC items in Valhalla.

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FunkyCat
09/11/22 12:20:39 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
didn't actually read my 2.5 line post
You're using the same failed arguement they tried to use was my point.

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Damn_Underscore
09/11/22 12:22:06 PM
#56:


FunkyCat posted...
You're using the same failed arguement they tried to use was my point.

Lootboxes are worse than real gambling

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Tyranthraxus
09/11/22 12:24:05 PM
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Hayame_Zero posted...
Yup. Most stores don't carry them

And console manufacturers usually refuse to certify them.

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castrejon04
09/11/22 12:29:27 PM
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Wait, so is this real or not?

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Bio1590
09/11/22 12:33:16 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...


And console manufacturers usually refuse to certify them.

I'm actually kind of surprised Microsoft even has the AO rating in the customer-facing portion of the Xbox Store database.

You'd think it'd get uploaded in the back end and then be like "Yeah nope, not being displayed".

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Bio1590
09/11/22 12:36:08 PM
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castrejon04 posted...
Wait, so is this real or not?

I would say there's a 99% chance the actual rating isn't real but the "Real gambling" might be if Ubisoft is adding in being able to buy loot boxes (or the in-game currency to buy loot boxes) with real money.

I can't see there being an actual legit gambling mini-game in this involving real money. Not only would it be incredibly stupid on Ubi's part but it wouldn't even make sense from a narrative perspective.

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meestermj
09/11/22 12:38:04 PM
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In Canada game stores treat AO games similarly to alcohol sales.
ID required, and no proxy sales.

M rated games you already need to be 17+, this will just be even stricter.

Good. Fuck loot boxes.

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Cheater87
09/11/22 12:41:17 PM
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This will get an 18+ PEGI rating and no curfuffle, unlike the US.

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DarkBuster22904
09/11/22 12:42:53 PM
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As much as I'd like this to be the death knell for lootboxes...

...more likely i see it opening the floodgates to make AO games permissible.

Which I suppose was inevitable, given how popular M rated games are with elementary school kids. Have to keep pushing the boundaries at some point.

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Bio1590
09/11/22 12:43:01 PM
#65:


Cheater87 posted...
This will get an 18+ PEGI rating and no curfuffle, unlike the US.

Idk, Europe's the one place where I could see sales of this get decimated from a rating like that if it were the case.

Nall posted...
I thought Mirage was supposed to be more like the classic Assassins Creeds instead of like Origins, Odyssey, and Valhalla? Why would you even need lootboxes in a classic AC?

Cosmetics. You're still clearly going to be able to customize Basim's gear/weapons/outfits.

It's the gameplay that's more "classic" AC.

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Frolex
09/11/22 12:45:23 PM
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DisgracefulSins
09/11/22 12:46:48 PM
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I appreciate they are cracking down on it.

I don't know how effective it'll be though. Select stores or not, most people buy games digitally these days. So that won't matter.

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IShall_Run_Amok
09/11/22 12:47:38 PM
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I would prefer a straight up ban of the game until they remove the gambling, but this is kinda funny.

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ZMythos
09/11/22 12:49:40 PM
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Good. Fuck lootboxes and fuck predatory gambling in video games.

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Agent_Stroud
09/11/22 12:49:55 PM
#70:


DarkBuster22904 posted...
As much as I'd like this to be the death knell for lootboxes...

...more likely i see it opening the floodgates to make AO games permissible.

Which I suppose was inevitable, given how popular M rated games are with elementary school kids. Have to keep pushing the boundaries at some point.

To be fair, after watching Caddicarus video about The Forbidden World of Banned Games, Im not particularly impressed at the reasons given by politicians and the ratings boards for banning a lot of the games and/or slapping an Adults Only rating on the front of the box since Daddy Caddy summed up my own exasperation quite well in his commentary, methinks.

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Hayame_Zero
09/11/22 10:16:01 PM
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Freddie_Mercury
09/11/22 10:17:42 PM
#72:


Frolex posted...
lmao owned


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MarcyWarcy
09/11/22 10:22:29 PM
#73:


Agent_Stroud posted...
To be fair, after watching Caddicarus video about The Forbidden World of Banned Games, Im not particularly impressed at the reasons given by politicians and the ratings boards for banning a lot of the games and/or slapping an Adults Only rating on the front of the box since Daddy Caddy summed up my own exasperation quite well in his commentary, methinks.

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Alucard188
09/11/22 10:26:21 PM
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I haven't played a Ubisoft game in so long because of the bloated grind fest they have become.

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DarkBuster22904
09/11/22 10:42:27 PM
#75:


Alucard188 posted...
I haven't played a Ubisoft game in so long because of the bloated grind fest they have become.
Become?

as far back as AC2, every Ubisoft open world had basically hit their "stride." Huge, sprawling world packed with nebulous "content" so you could spend dozens of hours collecting 200 pages of pointless sheet music or somesuch, one at a time.

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Alucard188
09/11/22 10:50:36 PM
#76:


DarkBuster22904 posted...
Become?

as far back as AC2, every Ubisoft open world had basically hit their "stride." Huge, sprawling world packed with nebulous "content" so you could spend dozens of hours collecting 200 pages of pointless sheet music or somesuch, one at a time.

Yep, which marks the last time I played an Ubisoft game. I got through Revelations, then never touched the series again. Shame, considering that Black Flag is the best in the series, and the last 2 games aren't terrible either.

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DarkBuster22904
09/11/22 10:56:39 PM
#77:


Alucard188 posted...
Yep, which marks the last time I played an Ubisoft game. I got through Revelations, then never touched the series again. Shame, considering that Black Flag is the best in the series, and the last 2 games aren't terrible either.
About what my trajectory was, too. I gave 3 a shot when it came out, but it put me off all the rest, even with the good things I've heard about those same titles.

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
09/11/22 10:57:21 PM
#78:


D for Doubt

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Agent_Stroud
09/12/22 1:43:06 AM
#79:


MarcyWarcy posted...
weird guy to Stan when youre alt right, he makes fun of you guys constantly

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ZombieGoats
09/12/22 4:35:48 AM
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This won't matter. People will buy digital. AO will be the "price" companies pay to keep their lootboxes.

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spikethedevil
09/12/22 4:41:40 AM
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I find it weird that the US 18+ rating is such a taboo.

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Master_Bass
09/12/22 4:45:45 AM
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Wow, the last I knew the AO rating was basically a death sentence for games since stores wouldn't carry them. I suppose that's not as big of a concern in the digital age, but I do wonder how retail will treat it.

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Foppe
09/12/22 4:47:51 AM
#83:


spikethedevil posted...
I find it weird that the US 18+ rating is such a taboo.
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DipDipDiver
09/12/22 9:47:46 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
I find it weird that the US 18+ rating is such a taboo.
Only because it became the informal porn rating. It's rare for other types on content to get above a 17+ here
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DipDipDiver
09/12/22 9:49:38 AM
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DarkBuster22904 posted...
Become?

as far back as AC2, every Ubisoft open world had basically hit their "stride." Huge, sprawling world packed with nebulous "content" so you could spend dozens of hours collecting 200 pages of pointless sheet music or somesuch, one at a time.
That's actually what I like about them >_>
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Solid_Sonic
09/12/22 9:50:54 AM
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Well, time to go all out with dicks and sex, I suppose.

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Actually even GTA: The Lost and The Damned had penis.

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DipDipDiver
09/12/22 9:52:24 AM
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Solid_Sonic posted...
Well, time to go all out with dicks and sex, I suppose.

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Actually even GTA: The Lost and The Damned had penis.
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Bio1590
09/12/22 1:50:38 PM
#88:


https://segmentnext.com/assassins-creed-mirage-rating/

Ubisoft confirmed the AO rating is incorrect.

Nothing about "Real Gambling" though lmao.

E: Nevermind, better article

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/ubisoft-denies-latest-assassins-creed-has-adults-only-real-gambling

"Following the announcement of Assassin's Creed Mirage during Ubisoft Forward, some store pages mistakenly displayed the game for preorders with an Adults Only ESRB rating and are being fixed," the publisher told GamesIndustry.biz.

"While Assassin's Creed Mirage is still pending rating, Ubisoft wants to reassure players that no real gambling or lootboxes are present in the game."

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Agent_Stroud
09/12/22 3:14:10 PM
#89:


Bio1590 posted...
https://segmentnext.com/assassins-creed-mirage-rating/

Ubisoft confirmed the AO rating is incorrect.

Nothing about "Real Gambling" though lmao.

E: Nevermind, better article

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/ubisoft-denies-latest-assassins-creed-has-adults-only-real-gambling

Looks like TC lied to us then.

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Lairen
09/12/22 3:17:10 PM
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Isnt it a version of Manhunt 2 and not Manhunt 1?

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Questionmarktarius
09/12/22 3:19:34 PM
#91:


Hayame_Zero posted...
Looks like the ratings board is actually starting to crack down on this.
If this is what finally breaks down the AO wall on consoles, then so be it.
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Cheater87
09/12/22 3:23:05 PM
#92:


Lairen posted...
Isnt it a version of Manhunt 2 and not Manhunt 1?

Manhunt 2 was AO on an early console /handheld copies and the PC port, Manhunt 1 was always M.

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codey
09/12/22 3:27:41 PM
#93:


coolguyjimmy posted...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AO-rated_video_games

Man Hatred sounds both awful and hilarious. Apparently the creator made it as a reaction to "PC games" and "games as art," then went on to drop this nugget:

"We want to use dark ambient music, because there's nothing [pleasantly] exciting in this game," Zieliski said. "It's supposed to feel kind of sad, and hateful. It's supposed to give the player an evil grin."

"I want to give the main character in Hatred a kind of humanless, killing machine vibe. I don't want to justify anything. I want the player to ask: why."

Lol it sure sounds like he tried making something artistic. Just like politics, art's only in games if I personally disagree with it!

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Agent_Stroud
09/12/22 3:33:17 PM
#94:


codey posted...
Man Hatred sounds both awful and hilarious. Apparently the creator made it as a reaction to "PC games" and "games as art," then went on to drop this nugget:

"We want to use dark ambient music, because there's nothing [pleasantly] exciting in this game," Zieliski said. "It's supposed to feel kind of sad, and hateful. It's supposed to give the player an evil grin."

"I want to give the main character in Hatred a kind of humanless, killing machine vibe. I don't want to justify anything. I want the player to ask: why."

Lol it sure sounds like he tried making something artistic. Just like politics, art's only in games if I personally disagree with it!

Only way I managed to enjoy Sunshine and Kittens was to watch Civvie 11s playthrough and commentary of it, as the game looks boring as heck outside of all the edginess, though that could just be my console peasant self judging a PC-only book by its cover once again.

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Questionmarktarius
09/12/22 3:34:33 PM
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codey posted...
Lol it sure sounds like he tried making something artistic.
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Tyranthraxus
09/12/22 3:51:30 PM
#96:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Edgelording for the sake of edgelording, is art now?

I've seen a disposable camera fresh out of packaging behind a display case at MOMA. There's literally no limits on what can be considered art at this point seeing as it's mostly just money laundering these days anyway.

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Hayame_Zero
09/12/22 3:53:15 PM
#97:


Questionmarktarius posted...
If this is what finally breaks down the AO wall on consoles, then so be it.
Looks like that's not the case since it neither has an AO rating OR any lootboxes

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s0nicfan
09/12/22 4:16:12 PM
#98:


Agent_Stroud posted...
Looks like TC lied to us then.

Ubisoft saying that the rating is "pending and being fixed" isn't exactly confirmation of anything other than that it got a tentative AO rating and they're tweaking the game to resolve the issues. Movies work the same way, where they get a tentative MPAA rating with a list of which scenes led to the rating and then the studio will haggle with the ratings board over cutting certain scenes to negotiate it back down to a PG-13 or whatever they want.

And as for the "real gambling isn't in out game" claim from Ubisoft, that could just mean they're going to patch it in like they did with a bunch of other games in the past. "It isn't in our game", even if we give them the benefit of the doubt that they're using the exact same definition of "real gambling" as the ESRB, isn't the same as saying "it will never be in our game."

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Agent_Stroud
09/12/22 4:22:09 PM
#99:


s0nicfan posted...
Activision saying that the rating is "pending and being fixed" isn't exactly confirmation of anything other than that it got a tentative AO rating and they're tweaking the game to resolve the issues. Movies work the same way, where they get a tentative MPAA rating with a list of which scenes led to the rating and then the studio will haggle with the ratings board over cutting certain scenes to negotiate it back down to a PG-13 or whatever they want.

And as for the "real gambling isn't in out game" claim from Activision, that could just mean they're going to patch it in like they did with a bunch of other games in the past. "It isn't in our game", even if we give them the benefit of the doubt that they're using the exact same definition of "real gambling" as the ESRB, isn't the same as saying "it will never be in our game."

Activision makes AssCreed games now? I thought that was Ubisofts gimmick.

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s0nicfan
09/12/22 4:33:05 PM
#100:


Agent_Stroud posted...
Activision makes AssCreed games now? I thought that was Ubisofts gimmick.

Sorry, meant Ubisoft but the rest of my post is talking about them so it should track.

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