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Hayame_Zero
09/11/22 10:01:27 AM
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https://www.thegamer.com/assassins-creed-mirage-ao-adults-only-rating-esrb-gambling/

Assassin's Creed Mirage has been rated AO for Adults Only by the ESRB due to it containing "real gambling". This implies that it'll feature lootboxes of some kind and also makes it the first game developed by Ubisoft to receive such a high age rating.

Yesterday, Ubisoft held its first Ubisoft Forward showcase of the year, providing updates on games like Mario + Rabbids: Sparks of Hope, The Division Heartlands, and Just Dance 2023. Of course, the highlight of the show was the Assassin's Creed 15th anniversary showcase, which revealed several new titles in development including next year's game, Assassin's Creed Mirage, which was presented as more of a traditional experience for the series.

One detail that was easy to miss in all the excitement was that the ESRB has rated Mirage AO, which stands for Adults Only, due to its "real gambling". This rating could be spotted during the reveal trailer and can now be seen on the Xbox store's listing, which seems to imply that it's legitimate and not some kind of mistake. There's also no mention of it being a temporary or provisional rating, so it seems set unless Ubisoft changes something.

For those unaware, there are only 33 games that have been given an AO rating between 1993 and 2018, including the likes of Manhunt, Outlast 2, and Agony. The reason that Mirage has joined the ranks of these notoriously violent and controversial games is that the ESRB now considers any game with "real gambling" to be worthy of an Adults Only rating.

By "real gambling", the ESRB means in-game virtual gambling that you can spend real-world money on. Due to recent changes to the ESRB guidelines, lootboxes are considered a form of gambling since they don't tell the player what they might be buying.

Considering some stores won't stock games that are Adult Only, it's incredibly unlikely that Ubisoft allows Assassin's Creed Mirage to keep whatever real-world gambling it has. As much money as it doubtlessly makes from those purchases, it's not worth the potential sales drop that it could see by only being available in select stores and on digital storefronts.

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Frolex
09/11/22 10:03:15 AM
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lmao owned

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g0ldie
09/11/22 10:05:00 AM
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good.

hopefully this means less games will do stuff like this, since it could mean them not being sold in a lot of stores otherwise.

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voldothegr8
09/11/22 10:05:21 AM
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Nice!

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Onimusha
09/11/22 10:09:15 AM
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This is the first ever AO rated game

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K181
09/11/22 10:10:25 AM
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Good.

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Jagr_68
09/11/22 10:12:03 AM
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Good but jfc weren't lootboxes already blatant as it is?

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Damn_Underscore
09/11/22 10:12:06 AM
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Onimusha posted...
This is the first ever AO rated game

fake news

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BurmesePenguin
09/11/22 10:12:09 AM
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Dont big name stores refuse to carry AO games?
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gunplagirl
09/11/22 10:12:29 AM
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Onimusha posted...
This is the first ever AO rated game
That's blatantly untrue lmao

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GrandConjuraton
09/11/22 10:13:30 AM
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Onimusha posted...
This is the first ever AO rated game
Underage user spotted

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LinkDaLunatic
09/11/22 10:13:37 AM
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good. this shit needs to end. who ever thought esrb would be the heroes to stand up and try to put things right.
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Onimusha
09/11/22 10:13:50 AM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
fake news
gunplagirl posted...
That's blatantly untrue lmao
I defy you to name a single AO rated video game before this one.

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coolguyjimmy
09/11/22 10:14:56 AM
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Onimusha posted...
I defy you to name a single AO rated video game before this one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AO-rated_video_games
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Damn_Underscore
09/11/22 10:15:31 AM
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Onimusha posted...
I defy you to name a single AO rated video game before this one.

For those unaware, there are only 33 games that have been given an AO rating between 1993 and 2018, including the likes of Manhunt, Outlast 2, and Agony. The reason that Mirage has joined the ranks of these notoriously violent and controversial games is that the ESRB now considers any game with "real gambling" to be worthy of an Adults Only rating.

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Jagr_68
09/11/22 10:15:44 AM
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idk why anyone is taking bait from someone who never learned how to read

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Onimusha
09/11/22 10:16:08 AM
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coolguyjimmy posted...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AO-rated_video_games
None of those count.

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Hayame_Zero
09/11/22 10:17:29 AM
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BurmesePenguin posted...
Dont big name stores refuse to carry AO games?
Yup. Most stores don't carry them

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s0nicfan
09/11/22 10:18:09 AM
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Funny they've opted to run with the AO rating rather than remove the gambling, but we all know where their priorities are. A lot of stores won't carry physical copies, either, which means they're banking hard on with digital sales or companies sucking it up and changing their entire policy just for AssCreed.

My guess is they'll do what they've been doing with other unpopular features, which is remove it, get the rating adjusted, wait like 3 weeks after the game is out and all the reviews are in, and then patch it in as a "free feature"

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Cheater87
09/11/22 10:18:50 AM
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BurmesePenguin posted...
Dont big name stores refuse to carry AO games?

No retail stores or consoles carry them. It is a banned rating, only PC is allowed along with Android.

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voldothegr8
09/11/22 10:23:46 AM
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s0nicfan posted...
My guess is they'll do what they've been doing with other unpopular features, which is remove it, get the rating adjusted, wait like 3 weeks after the game is out and all the reviews are in, and then patch it in as a "free feature"
Can't the ESRB change the rating if lootboxes are added to a game later?

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pokedude900
09/11/22 10:36:15 AM
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I thought the big 3 refused to carry games with an AO rating. What is this?

https://www.xbox.com/en-us/games/store/assassins-creed-mirage/9n4096hx1wwq

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JuanCarlos1
09/11/22 10:37:39 AM
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Good

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BurmesePenguin
09/11/22 10:43:13 AM
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Cheater87 posted...
No retail stores or consoles carry them. It is a banned rating, only PC is allowed along with Android.
My guess will be that this mindset will instantly disappear if it means not carrying the new Ass Creed game.
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Foppe
09/11/22 10:46:06 AM
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voldothegr8 posted...
Can't the ESRB change the rating if lootboxes are added to a game later?
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/0/5/AAA_aCAADqbN.jpg
They raised it afterwards on both San Andreas and Oblivion.

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Bio1590
09/11/22 10:57:52 AM
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s0nicfan posted...
Funny they've opted to run with the AO rating rather than remove the gambling, but we all know where their priorities are. A lot of stores won't carry physical copies, either, which means they're banking hard on with digital sales or companies sucking it up and changing their entire policy just for AssCreed.

My guess is they'll do what they've been doing with other unpopular features, which is remove it, get the rating adjusted, wait like 3 weeks after the game is out and all the reviews are in, and then patch it in as a "free feature"

It's obviously just the same mechanic that they've had in both Odyssey and Valhalla. Technically Origins had lootboxes too but you couldn't buy them with "real" money.

I highly doubt they're going to remove it just for the sake of the game rating. Both Amazon Canada and Best Buy Canada already have it listed for preorder so I don't think it's going to be an issue.

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Alteres
09/11/22 11:05:53 AM
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pokedude900 posted...
I thought the big 3 refused to carry games with an AO rating. What is this?

https://www.xbox.com/en-us/games/store/assassins-creed-mirage/9n4096hx1wwq

BurmesePenguin posted...
My guess will be that this mindset will instantly disappear if it means not carrying the new Ass Creed game.
shocking

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Cheater87
09/11/22 11:06:19 AM
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Bio1590 posted...
It's obviously just the same mechanic that they've had in both Odyssey and Valhalla. Technically Origins had lootboxes too but you couldn't buy them with "real" money.

I highly doubt they're going to remove it just for the sake of the game rating. Both Amazon Canada and Best Buy Canada already have it listed for preorder so I don't think it's going to be an issue.

Banned in the US then, import the game. :P

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itachi15243
09/11/22 11:17:32 AM
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I really wonder how this will play out.

Part of me thinks they'll just find a technical work around the rules

Part of me assumes they might release it as, then later, release a separate version without loot boxes

3rd is to remove it (doubtful)

4th is to take the AO rating hit and add way worse loot box/gambling mechanics as a power move.

I'm assuming 1 or 4.

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Bio1590
09/11/22 11:18:03 AM
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Actually just thinking here, but if this does end up being some kind of actual, real gambling game I wonder how it'll be presented in-game given gambling is explicitly outlawed in Islam >_>

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hockeybub89
09/11/22 11:36:22 AM
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There's lootboxes in Odyssey and Valhalla? I've put 300+ hours into those games combined and not seen them? They have their real money content shop and you can buy randomly selected items in-game with opal, but I can't recall an actual blind pick.

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Nemu
09/11/22 11:40:04 AM
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They'll probably just break all established norms and sell the game as normal with zero outrage because it's not sex-related.
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MegaPhoenix
09/11/22 11:41:43 AM
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Bio1590 posted...
Actually just thinking here, but if this does end up being some kind of actual, real gambling game I wonder how it'll be presented in-game given gambling is explicitly outlawed in Islam >_>

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hockeybub89
09/11/22 11:45:22 AM
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tbh I was reading on this and I wouldn't be surprised if the AO-rating was actually meant for another title that was shown.

Ubi apparently talked a lot about mobile and they want to bring multiplayer back to the franchise. A 50-dollar singleplayer-only experience would be a weird choice for them to starting pushing this in.

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Jagr_68
09/11/22 11:45:42 AM
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Nemu posted...
They'll probably just break all established norms and sell the game as normal with zero outrage because it's not sex-related.

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DipDipDiver
09/11/22 11:47:57 AM
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I wonder if them just rolling with it is a form of pushback. Lootboxes are a common feature and before now were not considered enough to rate a game AO. Ubi knows retailers are going to want to carry a new AC game, so now it becomes a question of whether they stick with the old "we don't carry AO games full stop" or if they decide AO doesn't necessarily mean what it used to.
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Damn_Underscore
09/11/22 11:48:59 AM
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I support this if stores also sell pr0n games

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Ivynn
09/11/22 11:49:11 AM
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lol

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Biofighter55
09/11/22 11:49:55 AM
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xbox and PS probably dont care about this particular AO because loot boxes have been normal for years

however parents might think twice about allowing their kids to buy it because the AO rato my will make them think it must have sex in it

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Damn_Underscore
09/11/22 11:51:39 AM
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Biofighter55 posted...
xbox and PS probably dont care about this particular AO because loot boxes have been normal for years

however parents might think twice about allowing their kids to buy it because the AO rato my will make them think it must have sex in it

Since when have parents seriously looked at and cared about game ratings?

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Biofighter55
09/11/22 11:54:12 AM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
Since when have parents seriously looked at and cared about game ratings?

considering how parents especially mothers are nowadays with being the perfect parent, aleast the ones I know, a lot of them


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Bio1590
09/11/22 11:54:20 AM
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Looking into this it seems the general consensus is that the rating is probably a mistake.

If you look at all their marketing material it still says "RP". Someone probably checked a bunch of boxes and it populated as "AO" on the Xbox storefront.

Also it's not actually in the ESRB database and if it was it would mean it was for sure releasing in the next ~6 months or so.

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DarkRoast
09/11/22 12:00:27 PM
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It's about time this starts happening

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Tsukasa1891
09/11/22 12:04:46 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
I highly doubt they're going to remove it just for the sake of the game rating. Both Amazon Canada and Best Buy Canada already have it listed for preorder so I don't think it's going to be an issue.
You can buy adult toys on amazon, so I doubt they care about a game having a AO ratting.

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CyricZ
09/11/22 12:10:23 PM
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g0ldie posted...
good.


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Bio1590
09/11/22 12:11:59 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
There's lootboxes in Odyssey and Valhalla? I've put 300+ hours into those games combined and not seen them? They have their real money content shop and you can buy randomly selected items in-game with opal, but I can't recall an actual blind pick.

You can buy loot boxes from Oikos in Odyssey and Reda in Valhalla.

My main guess is that they're keeping the loot box system but finally allowing you to buy whatever currency you have to use to buy a loot box with actual real money. Or just outright selling loot boxes.

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ZombieGoats
09/11/22 12:12:57 PM
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BurmesePenguin posted...
Dont big name stores refuse to carry AO games?

Usually would be a big deal but since everyone uses digital I'm sure Ubisoft doesn't care.

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Damn_Underscore
09/11/22 12:15:39 PM
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How are lootboxes considered real gambling BTW?

In real gambling, you put up some of your money usually at a disadvantage hoping to win more real money. With lootboxes, you are spending your money at a disadvantage hoping to win digital items. Even if you win you lose

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lilORANG
09/11/22 12:16:11 PM
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What's even the point of lootboxes in single player games? Who is paying for a sword with slightly better stats? No game is so difficult to justify that sort of thing.

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