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billcom6
08/28/22 10:44:52 AM
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Do they not think engineers or nurses have student loans?

I don't get them making this joke over and over again.

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lilORANG
08/28/22 10:45:25 AM
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Bc they operate in bad faith

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Southernfatman
08/28/22 10:46:04 AM
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Because Fox News or some other right wing propaganda outlet told them so.

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DarkProto05
08/28/22 10:46:49 AM
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Theyre not okay with this but okay with spending trillions on our military.

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Jagr_68
08/28/22 10:46:55 AM
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To demonize handouts to ordinary Americans as opposed to corporate America.

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IShall_Run_Amok
08/28/22 10:47:18 AM
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They are fascists, and fascists use the humanities as a bludgeon against education.

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lennethsoki
08/28/22 10:48:51 AM
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Wow this topic turned into a cult circlejerk real quick :/

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ExtremeLuchador
08/28/22 10:50:26 AM
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I know people who had to take out loans for Vocational Educations. Stuff like car repair, HVAC etc.

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IShall_Run_Amok
08/28/22 10:50:44 AM
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lennethsoki posted...
Wow this topic turned into a cult circlejerk real quick :/
Hopefully the fascists will be caught, and imprisoned for their crimes.

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SamsungGearS2
08/28/22 10:53:20 AM
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billcom6 posted...
Do they not think engineers or nurses have student loans?
I lean red and while Im not saying those two dont have loans, from my personal experience in the professional world, the aforementioned Gender Studies degrees and other worthless degrees (mass communications, theater, World history, etc) without a linear career path DO generally have high loans years after graduating with because their realistically best chance at a high paying stable job is HR or entry level work like data entry with YOE being their only true way of moving up.

I know CE is gonna call out MuH b0oTsTrApS as always because god forbid anyone lean red on here, but thats just how the corporate world works.

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ZMythos
08/28/22 10:54:11 AM
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lennethsoki posted...
Wow this topic turned into a cult circlejerk real quick :/
I haven't seen any conservatives posting before you, what are you talking about?

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ElatedVenusaur
08/28/22 10:55:32 AM
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Some of the best books I've ever read have been by scholars with degrees in Women's Studies. Though one of them is also a particle physicist.

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Tmaster148
08/28/22 11:01:28 AM
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Because they need to attack student loan forgiveness and don't have anything valid to attack it for.

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Popcorn2000
08/28/22 11:02:44 AM
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Because Republicans are miserable stupid people that hate freedom
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ZMythos
08/28/22 11:05:00 AM
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SamsungGearS2 posted...
worthless degrees (mass communications, theater, World history, etc)
Yea fuck history and the arts. Nobody ever benefits from them.

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Doom_Art
08/28/22 11:11:12 AM
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SamsungGearS2 posted...
I lean red
I got this far and decided the rest of the post was irrelevant lol

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SamsungGearS2
08/28/22 11:11:50 AM
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ZMythos posted...
Yea fuck history and the arts. Nobody ever benefits from them.
Yea take everything I said out of context so it sounds like those fields arent necessary for anyone, lol, Fuck off.

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Heineken14
08/28/22 11:11:51 AM
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Because a lot of them are dumb assholes.

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ZMythos
08/28/22 11:12:11 AM
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SamsungGearS2 posted...
Yea take everything I said out of context so it sounds like those fields arent necessary for anyone, lol, Fuck off.
You literally called them worthless

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COVxy
08/28/22 11:16:06 AM
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Humanties tend to be very small graduating classes, which is why humanties departments are trending smaller and less funded now-a-days. My guess is that the student loan debt held by humanities graduates is a minority of the student debt load.

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SamsungGearS2
08/28/22 11:17:53 AM
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Thanks for proving my point. :)
ZMythos posted...
You literally called them worthless
worthless degrees (mass communications, theater, World history, etc) without a linear career path

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emblem-man
08/28/22 11:19:09 AM
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The politicians don't. They just know it's good messaging for the people they're trying to appeal to

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Tmaster148
08/28/22 11:21:19 AM
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SamsungGearS2 posted...
Thanks for proving my point. :)

worthless degrees (mass communications, theater, World history, etc) without a linear career path

You called them worthless and are trying to prove you didn't by bolding that you called them worthless.

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SamsungGearS2
08/28/22 11:21:48 AM
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CE is gonna call out MuH b0oTsTrApS as always because god forbid anyone lean red on here, but thats just how the corporate world works.

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averagejoel
08/28/22 11:21:48 AM
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SamsungGearS2 posted...
worthless degrees (mass communications, theater, World history, etc) without a linear career path
a degree that doesn't provide a linear career path is not worthless.

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FortuneCookie
08/28/22 11:21:55 AM
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They want to invalidate education by painting people as accepting handouts for impractical studies. Not that gender studies are unimportant. There's much to be learned from studying society and how it treats people. But that's typically lost on conservatives who are prone to believe either a "life is fair, work harder" attitude or "we dominate you" attitude.
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SamsungGearS2
08/28/22 11:27:37 AM
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averagejoel posted...
a degree that doesn't provide a linear career path is not worthless.
Doesnt invalidate the argument that their career path will be harder than a more in-demand degree, though. Hell, tons of people on YouTube that studied these subjects couldnt make it into their career and became some type of influencer, which in itself is even harder to get tons of success at with everyone trying to become one. Just look at people like Odds1out and Let me Explain; even they got degrees in STEM fields and couldnt get into respective jobs and ended up becoming Diamond-tier subscribers YouTubers and work for themselves.

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CRON
08/28/22 11:27:58 AM
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FortuneCookie posted...
They want to invalidate education by painting people as accepting handouts for impractical studies. Not that gender studies are unimportant. There's much to be learned from studying society and how it treats people. But that's typically lost on conservatives who are prone to believe either a "life is fair, work harder" attitude or "we dominate you" attitude.

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Ar0ge
08/28/22 11:28:49 AM
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SamsungGearS2 posted...
Thanks for proving my point. :)

worthless degrees (mass communications, theater, World history, etc) without a linear career path


You can't make this stuff up. Lmao

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Tmaster148
08/28/22 11:29:58 AM
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SamsungGearS2 posted...
Doesnt invalidate the argument that their career path will be harder than a more in-demand degree, though. Hell, tons of people on YouTube that studied these subjects couldnt make it into their career and became some type of influencer, which in itself is even harder to get tons of success at with everyone trying to become one. Just look at people like Odds1out and Let me Explain; even they got degrees in STEM fields and couldnt get into respective jobs and ended up becoming Diamond-tier subscribers YouTubers and work for themselves.

Sounds like STEM degrees are worthless if you can't get a job in that field with them


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Oswaldo
08/28/22 11:34:18 AM
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As a former conservative, I sympathize with posters who think they are arguing in good faith if they truly are just "leaning right"

But my brother in christ, if you want to make your point you shouldn't start off with that. You and the rest of people with your idealogy lost that right when the majority of conservatives went full MAGA. If you really want to debate someone on anything, you're going to have a bad time.
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Doom_Art
08/28/22 11:36:07 AM
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Oswaldo posted...
But my brother in christ, if you want to make your point you shouldn't start off with that.
Seriously lol

The vast majority of leftists, liberals, and moderates have no patience for conservatives after the last several years, so identifying with the movement is a great way to get people to ignore you

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Bad_Mojo
08/28/22 11:36:42 AM
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Same reason you think all Republicans think the same

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ScazarMeltex
08/28/22 11:39:54 AM
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Because they neee to create a strawman to justify the hatred of their fellow countryman.

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Oswaldo
08/28/22 11:40:30 AM
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Bad_Mojo posted...
Same reason you think all Republicans think the same

We were told they didn't. That MAGA was just extremism. But then...
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hockeybub89
08/28/22 11:40:47 AM
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It's really stupid when you realize the degrees that cost the most are the "real jobs"

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TyVulpine
08/28/22 11:47:10 AM
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SamsungGearS2 posted...
Thanks for proving my point. :)

worthless degrees (mass communications, theater, World history, etc) without a linear career path
Look at those goalposts GOOOOOO!

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MedeaLysistrata
08/28/22 11:53:36 AM
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There are definitely no useless degrees if you accept that certain subjects are important and should be studied/understood. If you can't see how gender studies contributes to society than I would just guess you don't really know what it's actually about. But a student can very well make their degree useless by learning nothing or being under-equipped, which has nothing to do with the degree's subject matter. I'm shocked the party of personal responsibility isn't outright just saying 'school isn't for everyone'.

Ultimately I don't think it matters that much because a ton of people go to college to discover themselves, since that is more or less when one becomes an adult. Engaging with high level ideas is good for a person's development (like when we clarify what we think about political topics so we can better understand our own beliefs). For everyone there going to get a job there is probably someone else who just wants to learn more about the world and grow as a person. Both uses of college are important.

I kind of struggle with the value of my degree because I was pretty dumb while I was in college and didn't get much out of it. It's kind of silly that Plato and Aristotle's school says you have to be at least 30 to attend but we send students off to college at 17/18. It basically filters out the hyper competent from the average as it is now. But no mater what you do in life you will face this filter anyway. At the end of the day college is as much a competition as the work place is, so yes there will be a subset of people that fail, but if you just have a look a placements rates post college you will find a lot of people are in fact finding ok jobs with their BAs, or moving on to professional studies.

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averagejoel
08/28/22 11:57:34 AM
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SamsungGearS2 posted...
Doesnt invalidate the argument that their career path will be harder than a more in-demand degree, though. Hell, tons of people on YouTube that studied these subjects couldnt make it into their career and became some type of influencer, which in itself is even harder to get tons of success at with everyone trying to become one. Just look at people like Odds1out and Let me Explain; even they got degrees in STEM fields and couldnt get into respective jobs and ended up becoming Diamond-tier subscribers YouTubers and work for themselves.
that's not an argument. if more people got education for degrees that you arbitrarily think are not "worthless", there would just be more people that "studied these subjects" and still "couldn't make it into their career"

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MedeaLysistrata
08/28/22 12:10:34 PM
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averagejoel posted...
that's not an argument. if more people got education for degrees that you arbitrarily think are not "worthless", there would just be more people that "studied these subjects" and still "couldn't make it into their career"
i think they just don't like that college is a gamble compared to the relative stability of the military, in terms of institutional guidance structures re: moving into adulthood.

but for every person that ends up a barista they are ignoring the persons working in the women's shelter, the INGO, the ethics board, etc. it seems to boil down to people having a very basic understanding of what jobs actually exist and how skills can be made use of. in fact I started uni wanting to be a diplomat because I had no more realistic ideas, but then I ended up in a professional program for nonprofit management. there is a huge diversity of jobs where you can in fact use your skills and knowledge. you probably just won't get the big job you initially set your sights on.

Basically, Samsung's issue seems to be you won't get the job you want, but to say you will get no decent job at all just goes against the data.

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Gwynevere
08/28/22 12:19:10 PM
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Gender studies and "useless" degrees have been the low hanging fruit for conservatives that don't understand nuance for years now. They hate education as a whole, so their goal is to boil it down to "marketable degrees get a pass." Education has more worth than just getting a job

I have a bachelor's in mechanical engineering and physics, and I have nothing but respect for those that major in humanities. They're often pretty abstract and challenging degree paths

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MedeaLysistrata
08/28/22 12:21:15 PM
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this is what i mean by not knowing what jobs exist. if you think every BA holder gets funneled into HR you are just ignoring all sorts of labour types. in fact you seem confused because HR is often its own major or certification.

it's very true that certain sectors don't do a good job of marketing their corner of the labour market for whatever reason.


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MedeaLysistrata
08/28/22 12:23:26 PM
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Also it's worth noting that because of this brand of critique, universities are in fact becoming less and less general and more and more career oriented. You will definitely get what you want and everyone will be worse off for it. want to work in publishing? fuck your english degree, why isn't it a book and media studies degree? etc

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