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BlackOmnimon
08/19/22 1:29:10 PM
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Why is it so popular still?

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ellis123
08/19/22 1:49:42 PM
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Sunk Cost.

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VeggetaX
08/19/22 1:53:22 PM
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BlackOmnimon posted...
Why is it so popular still?
It's popular because you don't like it.

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Poorly
08/19/22 1:54:08 PM
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VeggetaX posted...
Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple


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EndOfDiscOne
08/19/22 1:56:00 PM
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I thought the ToP was a lot of fun. Ill be watching when they pick back up, especially if Frieza is there.

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s0nicfan
08/19/22 1:56:02 PM
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Because at the end of the day this fanfiction tier writing isn't really any worse than dbz. It's not like we're talking about going from some brilliantly written masterpiece to some shippers fanfiction blog.

How exactly did things get worse? Because power levels are inconsistent? Because characters keep getting new power-ups? Because villains more powerful than anybody else just keep arbitrarily cropping up?

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VeggetaX
08/19/22 2:00:07 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Because at the end of the day this fanfiction tier writing isn't really any worse than dbz. It's not like we're talking about going from some brilliantly written masterpiece to some shippers fanfiction blog.

How exactly did things get worse? Because power levels are inconsistent? Because characters keep getting new power-ups? Because villains more powerful than anybody else just keep arbitrarily cropping up?
Bro I've been using this similar argument to educate these haters for the longest time. They not gonna learn. It's best to just troll them back.

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FunkyCat
08/19/22 2:02:11 PM
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There is plenty of potential and they touch on good ideas to just... do nothing with them, or find the most boring take on it all. But then that's dragon ball itself. Nothing unique to Super.

At least Super gave Beerus and Whis who might be the best DB characters full stop.

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Trumpo
08/19/22 2:25:55 PM
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Gohan Blanco became canon

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Solar_Crimson
08/19/22 2:33:22 PM
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Super does seem like it's taking up a lot of ideas that have been around in the fandom for years.

We have:

  • A white "Saiyan" form (even if it's not a Saiyan transformation)
  • Frieza coming back (twice)
  • Future Trunks coming back
  • Female Super Saiyans, after GT dropped the ball severely with Pan
  • Broly becoming canon
  • "Gohan Blanco" becoming canon (same energy as WB and MultiVersus canonizing Ultra Instinct Shaggy)
  • In the manga, Goku learning about Bardock

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BlackOmnimon
08/19/22 2:40:46 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Super does seem like it's taking up a lot of ideas that have been around in the fandom for years.

We have:

* A white "Saiyan" form (even if it's not a Saiyan transformation)
* Frieza coming back (twice)
* Future Trunks coming back
* Female Super Saiyans, after GT dropped the ball severely with Pan
* Broly becoming canon
* "Gohan Blanco" becoming canon (same energy as WB and MultiVersus canonizing Ultra Instinct Shaggy)
* In the manga, Goku learning about Bardock

Don't forget "evil Goku", though that had been done somewhat (and much better) with Turles. Latest movie also brought back Cell, but again, in a "monkey's paw" kinda deal.

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Zombified_Toast
08/19/22 2:42:36 PM
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I wish Goku would've stayed dead since Cell.

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CyricZ
08/19/22 2:42:54 PM
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All fiction is fan fiction.

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Poorly
08/19/22 2:45:33 PM
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CyricZ posted...
All fiction is fan fiction.
Kumagawa

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s0nicfan
08/19/22 2:50:00 PM
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FunkyCat posted...
There is plenty of potential and they touch on good ideas to just... do nothing with them, or find the most boring take on it all. But then that's dragon ball itself. Nothing unique to Super.

At least Super gave Beerus and Whis who might be the best DB characters full stop.

This, for the most part. Giving Goku and Vegeta divergent paths in terms of abilities and goals rather than having them in a race to get to the next super saiyan level first is smart. Pitting them against enemies that can't be beat with raw strength is great. Finding excuses to give older characters like Roshi something to do rather than just being yet another cheerleader is fun. Having opponents ALSO get stronger through training in the background rather than the whole universe being static outside of the Z-fighters is something we haven't really seen since Dragonball.

Yea, it's a mess sometimes, but it also means we get a bunch of cool things that we would have never gotten in the original run.

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Jerry_Hellyeah
08/20/22 2:25:31 PM
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You understand that beating off to something doesn't automatically make it fan fiction, right?

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stoltenberg11
08/20/22 2:29:30 PM
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Dragonball has been on a steep decline since the Buu saga. There really aren't any new ideas, and there are no stakes since everyone just comes back from the dead all the time. It's just heroes and villains trading powerups until Goku finally wins.
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--Zero-
08/20/22 2:31:13 PM
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While it's a step below Z tier, it's still better than GT. I enjoy watching the anime, movies, and reading the manga still.

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Nemu
08/20/22 2:32:14 PM
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It's just a massive up and down rollercoaster fueled by the complete disconnect between all parties involved.
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Jerry_Hellyeah
08/20/22 2:57:58 PM
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stoltenberg11 posted...
Dragonball has been on a steep decline since the Buu saga. There really aren't any new ideas, and there are no stakes since everyone just comes back from the dead all the time. It's just heroes and villains trading powerups until Goku finally wins.

Has a single character come back from the dead in Super?

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KobeSystem
08/20/22 3:03:18 PM
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Jerry_Hellyeah posted...
Has a single character come back from the dead in Super?

Frieza? >_>

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dancing_cactuar
08/20/22 3:04:14 PM
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Jerry_Hellyeah posted...
Has a single character come back from the dead in Super?
Look at this guy who hasn't even gotten to the Golden Frieza saga, let alone finished the Tournament of Power.

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I4NRulez
08/20/22 3:10:36 PM
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Dragon Ball has no stakes and thats the problem with it.

Characters die and come back. Every time they face someone stronger they find a new form.

but then again we're putting too much on a saturday morning cartoon. It was never really meant to have a serious plot. It was designed to keep kids entertained for 20 mins.

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Oubliettes
08/20/22 3:11:29 PM
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super is dope
taco bell is dope

sometimes i wanna watch a deep thought provoking character story with interesting narrative directions
sometimes i wanna eat 3 chili cheese burritos and watch cartoon dudes beat the shit out of each other while their hair turns different colors


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ChrisTaka
08/20/22 3:59:55 PM
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Because dragon ball fans are as dumb as it's main character

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Storm101
08/20/22 4:11:36 PM
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stoltenberg11 posted...
Dragonball has been on a steep decline since the Buu saga. There really aren't any new ideas, and there are no stakes since everyone just comes back from the dead all the time. It's just heroes and villains trading powerups until Goku finally wins.
Funny you say that because Super has Goku taking Ls more often than not. Like the latest arc which ended in pretty much complete failure on Goku and Vegeta's part with Freeza getting to kill the villain instead. It's one of the things I like about Super.
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Irony
08/20/22 4:12:43 PM
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Jerry_Hellyeah posted...
Has a single character come back from the dead in Super?
Everyone

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ChocoboMogALT
08/20/22 4:20:21 PM
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It's literally just modern DBZ, you're just an adult and realize the "flaws." The faster pacing (good) makes the power jumps stand out, but all the elements have been there since Vegeta and Nappa.

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tremain07
08/20/22 4:22:42 PM
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Tote_All_
08/20/22 4:23:30 PM
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ChocoboMogALT posted...
It's literally just modern DBZ, you're just an adult and realize the "flaws." The faster pacing (good) makes the power jumps stand out, but all the elements have been there since Vegeta and Nappa.

This ffs. DB was never a masterpiece. It's literally dumb fun.
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Irony
08/20/22 4:25:32 PM
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Z was dumb fun. Super is just dumb.

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Guide
08/20/22 4:25:34 PM
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Imagine if The Undertaker just walked into the ring, chokeslammed someone, got a belt, and that was it

No buildup, no earned clout, no fanfare

that's DBS

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tremain07
08/20/22 4:26:51 PM
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PowerOats
08/20/22 4:32:29 PM
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If DBZ Tenkaichi 4 came out today, we'd literally have 250+ characters
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tremain07
08/20/22 4:36:31 PM
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BlackOmnimon
08/20/22 5:54:34 PM
#37:


Gohan Blanco's haircut is stupid as heck

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Irony
08/20/22 6:56:58 PM
#38:


Less dumb than no eyebrows

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Smashingpmkns
08/20/22 6:57:50 PM
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Just because you don't like something doesn't make it fan fiction lol

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BlackOmnimon
08/20/22 6:59:06 PM
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--Zero- posted...
While it's a step below Z tier, it's still better than GT. I enjoy watching the anime, movies, and reading the manga still.

Super has introduced no less than 5 new hair colors, and GT's Super Saiyan 4 is still better looking than all of them.

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Anteaterking
08/20/22 7:10:48 PM
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As someone who last watched new Dragonball with GT, what are the reasons that Super is good and GT is bad.

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Irony
08/20/22 7:13:31 PM
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Anteaterking posted...
As someone who last watched new Dragonball with GT, what are the reasons that Super is good and GT is bad.
"Because Super is canon"

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DepreceV2
08/20/22 7:15:45 PM
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This. Also, they hard hooked me in again by giving my favorite DB character, Gohan, a new form


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Tote_All_
08/20/22 7:44:05 PM
#44:


Anteaterking posted...
As someone who last watched new Dragonball with GT, what are the reasons that Super is good and GT is bad.

They're both enjoyable, GT just suffers from some very boring first arc IMO and kid Goku again was very off putting.
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Nukazie
08/21/22 2:21:58 AM
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did they make a story with the fusion earrings but instead of a 'fused zamasu' arc, goku or vegeta steals one of the earrings and fuses with one of the bad guy, vegito black or some shit

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St0rmFury
08/21/22 2:28:15 AM
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Zombified_Toast posted...
I wish Goku would've stayed dead since Cell.
Goku fans wouldn't allow it.

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Xethuminra
08/21/22 3:06:29 AM
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Dragon Ball used to have more of an adventure thing going for it. Goku traveled a lot on foot lol. Toriyama sort of cut that out of the formula as time went on in favor of endless duels taking up entire episodes. That's sort of what made DBZ famous, I guess. In the name of evolving Dragon Ball - it would be interesting to see them cut even more from the formula, namely the dueling, to see Goku explored more closely as a living breathing character who isn't just a symbol of martial arts. For example, if Beerus forbid him from ever fighting again, how would Goku go about his life? lol Imagine following Goku as he goes to tournaments as a spectator, or gets wrapped up on alien adventures in a passive role, trapped in situations where he would normally have to fight to deal with them, etc. Could be fun, and a great excuse to play with his clothing
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SpiritSephiroth
08/21/22 5:38:33 AM
#48:


Anteaterking posted...
As someone who last watched new Dragonball with GT, what are the reasons that Super is good and GT is bad.

Super is much more enjoyable with better villains, fights and character interactions. Yeah they might be asspulling the story and power ups now, but I always thought Db was like that since the Buu arc and I learnt to accept it.

I mean the Broly movie alone was one of the best experiences I've had in cinema. If it's still giving me experiences like that then I'm all for it.

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31Veteran
08/21/22 5:41:28 AM
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It's a bit more than that since Toriyama is involved.

That said most franchise movies and comic books are basically fanfiction by the standard they aren't usually by the original creator anymore. Not like Ian Fleming is writing any more James Bond or like they ever really adapted one of his books 100% ever.

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31Veteran
08/21/22 5:47:07 AM
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Anteaterking posted...
As someone who last watched new Dragonball with GT, what are the reasons that Super is good and GT is bad.
What are the reasons gt is good?

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