Current Events > Remember in Pokemon when TMs was a one-time use?

(+) Yeah! (+)

Imagine teaching thunderbolt to a Pokemon you were gonna drop a hour later

really fucking stupid in hindsight, as were HMs existing in any capacity

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Gen 1 was really designed as an RPG first. There's only 2 Snorlax and 1 of each legendary and whatever their DVs are is what they are. You beat the game, you fill out the dex, and you're done. PvP barely worked and there wasn't even breeding.

Yep. In hindsight if I'd known better I'd have saved them and missing missingno duplicated them to make viable teams and stuff to totally finish pokemon stadium. I finished r1 but never r2.

Remember when Gen 8 brought it back for absolutely no reason

Garioshi posted...

Remember when Gen 8 brought it back for absolutely no reason

Oh there was a reason, it was to sell online subs

Garioshi posted...

Remember when Gen 8 brought it back for absolutely no reason

At least in that case they gave you a way to farm those single-use TM's. Dynamax raid dens in Sw/Sh (which you could do solo, they didn't require being online and doing them with others), wild area sellers in Sw/Sh, and underground sellers in BD/SP were all ways to get more copies. It's not optimal, but it's something. Before gen 5, they truly were one-and-done deals if you didn't use cloning glitches or cheat devices, which was absolute bullshit.

Calwings posted...

At least in that case they gave you a way to farm those single-use TM's. Dynamax raid dens in Sw/Sh (which you could do solo, they didn't require being online and doing them with others), wild area sellers in Sw/Sh, and underground sellers in BD/SP were all ways to get more copies. It's not optimal, but it's something. Before gen 5, they truly were one-and-done deals if you didn't use cloning glitches or cheat devices, which was absolute bullshit.

Even worse when you consider that for things like getting Roost on a Mew in gen 5 you HAD TO import them from gen 4 knowing it.

PLA style should be the future. Move tutor replaces all TMs. Change moves any time you want.

Yes and it sucks. I'm playing Gen 2 for the first time since playing Gen 1 back in the day, and I just don't know who to risk giving a one time obtained TM to.

And they kept it in the diamond / pearl remakes lmao

ChocoboMog123 posted...

Gen 1 was really designed as an RPG first. There's only 2 Snorlax and 1 of each legendary and whatever their DVs are is what they are. You beat the game, you fill out the dex, and you're done. PvP barely worked and there wasn't even breeding.

Pfft link cables slapped idk what you mean.

I do not miss jumping through hoops to get moves on Pokemon.
I'd like to give the series another chance now that they've fixed but apparently trade evos are still a thing, walling off all the Pokemon I'd actually want to use.

That's what Missingno was for, at least in Gen 1.

Garioshi posted...

Remember when Gen 8 brought it back for absolutely no reason

At least you could easily get more of them, unlike in Gens 1-4 where you were SOL if you used one on the wrong Pokemon or made it forget the move.

AvlButtslam posted...

Oh there was a reason, it was to sell online subs

TRs can be obtained very readily ingame without the need of an online subscription.

ViewtifulJoe posted...

I do not miss jumping through hoops to get moves on Pokemon.
I'd like to give the series another chance now that they've fixed but apparently trade evos are still a thing, walling off all the Pokemon I'd actually want to use.

You very clearly use GameFAQs. You can get them with little to no hassle.

ViewtifulJoe posted...

I do not miss jumping through hoops to get moves on Pokemon.
I'd like to give the series another chance now that they've fixed but apparently trade evos are still a thing, walling off all the Pokemon I'd actually want to use.

That's one thing that they should steal from the fan games.

Link Stones, if you use it on a Pokemon that evolves through trade (and they are holding the necessary item if needed) then if evolves them right there.

DrizztLink posted...

That's one thing that they should steal from the fan games.

Link Stones, if you use it on a Pokemon that evolves through trade (and they are holding the necessary item if needed) then if evolves them right there.

Legends Arceus actually have this. You can just use items on Pokemon that would evolve via trade normally. However, you can still trade them to evolve, since those items do require either luck or a grind.

...I don't expect them to keep that in Scarlet/Violet, though.

Lokison posted...

You very clearly use GameFAQs. You can get them with little to no hassle.

I'm not talking about the Pokedex, I'm talking about sitting there doing a playthrough and wanting to use a Pokemon that isn't walled off by some combo of internet access, having to put faith in a GameFAQs user, paid online and the deflating feeling of achieving the evolution through the most banal, tedious means possible. Even the evo stones are something you have to go find within the game.
That's not even getting started on older games where online trading's down and your options are do some serious hoop jumping to get them or outright cheat.

I think Kadabra should evolve at lv48.

Every single existing trade evolution could easily be made a non-trade evolution if Gamefreak really wanted to. It's not that hard.

For the ones that require trading while holding a specific item, just require leveling up while holding that item and maybe also make it so the Pokemon has to be above a certain level for early game balance reasons. For the ones that don't need an item at all and just need to be traded, just give it another evolution level like 10-15 levels above the previous one. For the specific situation of Karrablast and Shelmet, where they evolve when specifically traded for each other, make it so that they both evolve if they both gain a level within a short period of time (like 10 minutes of real time) while together in the party.

Remember?

BDSP wasn't that long ago!

... and yes, this was the absolute dumbest mechanic they brought back.

Imagine playing Pokmon in 2022.

Calwings posted...

Every single existing trade evolution could easily be made a non-trade evolution if Gamefreak really wanted to. It's not that hard.

For the ones that require trading while holding a specific item, just require leveling up while holding that item and maybe also make it so the Pokemon has to be above a certain level for early game balance reasons. For the ones that don't need an item at all and just need to be traded, just give it another evolution level like 10-15 levels above the previous one. For the specific situation of Karrablast and Shelmet, where they evolve when specifically traded for each other, make it so that they both evolve if they both gain a level within a short period of time (like 10 minutes of real time) while together in the party.

Just do what PLA does. No need to overcomplicate things.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Just do what PLA does. No need to overcomplicate things.

God, we call it pla when there was already pla in the ds era? ;-;

gunplagirl posted...

God, we call it pla when there was already pla in the ds era? ;-;

What was the DS PLA? There was DPP and BW/2

I just remember using the Cinnabar Island/Missing No. thing to get 120 Earthquakes and Icebeams.

Tyranthraxus posted...

What was the DS PLA? There was DPP and BW/2

Platinum and Legends:Arceus?

Now I want to go play Pokemon showdown

ChocoboMog123 posted...

Gen 1 was really designed as an RPG first. There's only 2 Snorlax and 1 of each legendary and whatever their DVs are is what they are. You beat the game, you fill out the dex, and you're done. PvP barely worked and there wasn't even breeding.

It does make sense as a mechanic for a single-player RPG

HovaRex posted...

Pfft link cables slapped idk what you mean.

Supposedly PvP was added in within a week of the deadline because Nintendo demanded it and it was originally just two AIs using your pokemon in a simulated battle until Nintendo told them to do it right.

I've never played a Pokmon game where they weren't.

gunplagirl posted...

Yep. In hindsight if I'd known better I'd have saved them and missing missingno duplicated them to make viable teams and stuff to totally finish pokemon stadium. I finished r1 but never r2.

I did beat r2 back in the day, but a lot of it involved relying on Pokemon who learned some of the really good TM moves via level up. I'd use Golem instead of Rhydon (cause Golem gets EQ via level up), train Jolteon up to level 52 and rely on Thunder's shakey accuracy, Alakazam with psychic via level up, etc... then using TMs only when absolutely necessary. It was much more crude than it needed to be, but it worked.

Also using a Dragonair with Dragon Rage to BS the Pika Cup was fun. ^_^

Zelda_Aran posted...

Also using a Dragonair with Dragon Rage to BS the Pika Cup was fun. ^_^

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DrizztLink posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/5/2/AABUaRAADi0c.jpg

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One of the many reasons why generation 5 is the best

It does make that one Pokmon even more special

Hope you gave him/her a bitchin name too