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TheBrainbuster 06/19/22 12:30:26 AM #1:	In the Post-Jedi books, Luke could pull engines out of Star Destroyers -- yet in the Disney films he dies to some AT-AT blastfire and some force projection. What a joke. The book canon of Luke would have destroyed all those AT-ATs --- Final Fantasy IV is the greatest game ever MADE!!! <cite>TheBrainbuster posted [p:965930359] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>In the Post-Jedi books, Luke could pull engines out of Star Destroyers -- yet in the Disney films he dies to some AT-AT blastfire and some force projection. What a joke. The book canon of Luke would have destroyed all those AT-ATs </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 06/19/22 12:32:53 AM #2:	True. Luke in the books turned into a god almost. But Disney threw all that out <cite>Zikten posted [p:965930406] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>True. Luke in the books turned into a god almost. But Disney threw all that out</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MICHALECOLE 06/19/22 12:33:31 AM #3:	Thats not how he died did you watch the movies? <cite>MICHALECOLE posted [p:965930412] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Thats not how he died did you watch the movies? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Turtlebread 06/19/22 12:33:38 AM #4:	the disney movies arent canon --- http://i.imgur.com/yCW15Zn.jpg <cite>Turtlebread posted [p:965930416] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>the disney movies arent canon </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ArchNemo 06/19/22 12:34:58 AM #5:	That's kinda the problem with the old EU though. The force got way to out of hand with what it could do. --- Down with the Signess. <cite>ArchNemo posted [p:965930439] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>That's kinda the problem with the old EU though. The force got way to out of hand with what it could do. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Toadsworth 06/19/22 12:38:25 AM #6:	Which books, exactly? Thrawn trilogy? I've got a bunch of old EU books and want to know what good. --- You can't outrun inevitably. At least, not forever. <cite>Toadsworth posted [p:965930489] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Which books, exactly? Thrawn trilogy? I've got a bunch of old EU books and want to know what good. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Freddie_Mercury 06/19/22 12:38:29 AM #7:	star wars was never good --- just another freak in the freak kingdom <cite>Freddie_Mercury posted [p:965930493] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>star wars was never good </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BakonBitz 06/19/22 12:40:17 AM #8:	MICHALECOLE posted... Thats not how he died did you watch the movies? --- Game collection: http://www.backloggery.com/bakonbitz Gaming channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwVQm69J7bGScbv3_50C0dA <cite>BakonBitz posted [p:965930527] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>MICHALECOLE posted... </cite> <quote>Thats not how he died did you watch the movies?</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
electricbugs2 06/19/22 12:45:59 AM #9:	MICHALECOLE posted... Thats not how he died did you watch the movies? Seriously lmao. What an absolutely worthless topic. --- Balenciaga hoodies and Gucci shoes #FreeMelly <cite>electricbugs2 posted [p:965930620] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>MICHALECOLE posted... </cite> <quote>Thats not how he died did you watch the movies?</quote>Seriously lmao. What an absolutely worthless topic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 06/19/22 12:50:21 AM #10:	TheBrainbuster posted... In the Post-Jedi books, Luke could pull engines out of Star Destroyers -- yet in the Disney films he dies to some AT-AT blastfire and some force projection. What a joke. The book canon of Luke would have destroyed all those AT-ATs Luke was Force Projecting "Across the Galaxy" and fighting Kylo Ren. The AT-AT Blaster Fire did nothing, because it literally went right through his Force Projection body like a Ghost. The thing that killed Luke was how strenuous it was to Force Project "Across the Galaxy". --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:965930702] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>TheBrainbuster posted... </cite> <quote>In the Post-Jedi books, Luke could pull engines out of Star Destroyers -- yet in the Disney films he dies to some AT-AT blastfire and some force projection. What a joke.</quote> <quote>The book canon of Luke would have destroyed all those AT-ATs</quote> Luke was Force Projecting "Across the Galaxy" and fighting Kylo Ren. The AT-AT Blaster Fire did nothing, because it literally went right through his Force Projection body like a Ghost. The thing that killed Luke was how strenuous it was to Force Project "Across the Galaxy". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ButteryMales 06/19/22 1:14:42 AM #11:	What's dumb is he could have just left with Rey and not die. <cite>ButteryMales posted [p:965931065] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>What's dumb is he could have just left with Rey and not die.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 06/19/22 1:24:00 AM #12:	ButteryMales posted... What's dumb is he could have just left with Rey and not die. Sequel Trilogy Luke is not very smart <cite>Zikten posted [p:965931190] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>ButteryMales posted...</cite> <quote>What's dumb is he could have just left with Rey and not die.</quote> Sequel Trilogy Luke is not very smart</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Garioshi 06/19/22 1:25:36 AM #13:	Star Wars fans when Luke doesn't destroy any semblance of conflict by being too powerful for anything to stand up to him --- "I play with myself" - Darklit_Minuet, 2018 <cite>Garioshi posted [p:965931213] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Star Wars fans when Luke doesn't destroy any semblance of conflict by being too powerful for anything to stand up to him </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mistere Man 06/19/22 1:25:53 AM #14:	What killed Luke? No I havent seen the movie. --- Water+Fall=Radiation. <cite>Mistere Man posted [p:965931216] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>What killed Luke? No I havent seen the movie. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ArchNemo 06/19/22 1:26:50 AM #15:	Mistere Man posted... What killed Luke? No I havent seen the movie. Diabetes --- Down with the Signess. <cite>ArchNemo posted [p:965931228] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Mistere Man posted... </cite> <quote>What killed Luke? No I havent seen the movie.</quote> Diabetes </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 06/19/22 1:27:24 AM #16:	Zikten posted... Sequel Trilogy Luke is not very smart There was no reason for Luke to Force Project across an entire Galaxy instead of just Force Projecting from within the Ice Cave safe & sound. That would've been far less Strenuous and he wouldn't have to die. Luke literally could've taken his X-wing, parked it near the escape entrance of the Ice Cave, and Force Projected onto the battle field where the First Order was trying to break in. Once Luke revealed that he was a "Force Projection", then the rest of the Rebel Alliance would've escaped and the First Order would've looked like fools. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:965931236] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>Sequel Trilogy Luke is not very smart</quote>There was no reason for Luke to Force Project across an entire Galaxy instead of just Force Projecting from within the Ice Cave safe & sound. That would've been far less Strenuous and he wouldn't have to die. Luke literally could've taken his X-wing, parked it near the escape entrance of the Ice Cave, and Force Projected onto the battle field where the First Order was trying to break in. Once Luke revealed that he was a "Force Projection", then the rest of the Rebel Alliance would've escaped and the First Order would've looked like fools. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 06/19/22 1:28:00 AM #17:	Mistere Man posted... What killed Luke? No I havent seen the movie. Exhaustion. He pulls off a very difficult Force action that drains him. We see him collapse after his action, and die from the exertion <cite>Zikten posted [p:965931247] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Mistere Man posted...</cite> <quote>What killed Luke? No I havent seen the movie. </quote> Exhaustion. He pulls off a very difficult Force action that drains him. We see him collapse after his action, and die from the exertion</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mistere Man 06/19/22 1:29:31 AM #18:	Zikten posted... Exhaustion. He pulls off a very difficult Force action that drains him. We see him collapse after his action, and die from the exertion Seriously? Geez. . . --- Water+Fall=Radiation. <cite>Mistere Man posted [p:965931264] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>Exhaustion. He pulls off a very difficult Force action that drains him. We see him collapse after his action, and die from the exertion</quote>Seriously? Geez. . . </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 06/19/22 1:32:30 AM #19:	Luke was never on any kind of brand new level, force-wise, in the original trilogy. He was a competent force user and decent with a lightsaber, but that was always the extent of it. If Vader had been fighting seriously the whole time in RotJ, he almost certainly would have bodied Luke. Then, Luke stood up to the Emperor only to immediately get clowned onto the floor by force lightning. It was like he took a chair to the back of the head, WWE style, and had absolutely no chance of recovering. He was toast. He didn't win the day by being stronger than Vader OR Palpatine...he won by expressing love for his father and refusing to surrender to the dark side. Which turned Anakin back to the light, thus enabling Anakin to be the one who hucked the Emperor down a reactor tube. ~~Luke basically did nothing but~~ ~~get his ass kicked~~ by Vader and Palpatine, except for the brief moment when he nearly succumbed to the dark side in a fit of rage. The whole "Luke is the most powerful Jedi" thing just doesn't add up outside of the EU novels. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:965931295] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Luke was never on any kind of brand new level, force-wise, in the original trilogy. He was a competent force user and decent with a lightsaber, but that was always the extent of it. If Vader had been fighting seriously the whole time in RotJ, he almost certainly would have bodied Luke. Then, Luke stood up to the Emperor only to immediately get clowned onto the floor by force lightning. It was like he took a chair to the back of the head, WWE style, and had absolutely no chance of recovering. He was toast. He didn't win the day by being stronger than Vader OR Palpatine...he won by expressing love for his father and refusing to surrender to the dark side. Which turned Anakin back to the light, thus enabling Anakin to be the one who hucked the Emperor down a reactor tube. Luke basically did nothing but get his ass kicked by Vader and Palpatine, except for the brief moment when he nearly succumbed to the dark side in a fit of rage. The whole "Luke is the most powerful Jedi" thing just doesn't add up outside of the EU novels. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 06/19/22 1:35:02 AM #20:	Gobstoppers12 posted... Luke was never on any kind of brand new level, force-wise, in the original trilogy. He was a competent force user and decent with a lightsaber, but that was always the extent of it. If Vader had been fighting seriously the whole time in RotJ, he almost certainly would have bodied Luke. Then, Luke stood up to the Emperor only to immediately get clowned onto the floor by force lightning. It was like he took a chair to the back of the head, WWE style, and had absolutely no chance of recovering. He was toast. He didn't win the day by being stronger than Vader OR Palpatine...he won by expressing love for his father and refusing to surrender to the dark side. Which turned Anakin back to the light, thus enabling Anakin to be the one who hucked the Emperor down a reactor tube. ~~Luke basically did nothing but~~ ~~get his ass kicked~~ by Vader and Palpatine, except for the brief moment when he nearly succumbed to the dark side in a fit of rage. The whole "Luke is the most powerful Jedi" thing just doesn't add up outside of the EU novels. Exactly. Even in "The Last Jedi", they make Luke look like a fool by doing an unnecessary action and dying for it. It's like, seriously, you couldn't be bothered to hop in your X-wing and go save your family and friends? You had to wait for so long that you remote in via Force Projection "Across a Galaxy" and do a unnecessarilly strenuous action that took your own life? It would've been FAR less strenuous to Force Project from the other side of the mountain. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:965931321] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite> <quote>Luke was never on any kind of brand new level, force-wise, in the original trilogy. He was a competent force user and decent with a lightsaber, but that was always the extent of it. If Vader had been fighting seriously the whole time in RotJ, he almost certainly would have bodied Luke. Then, Luke stood up to the Emperor only to immediately get clowned onto the floor by force lightning. It was like he took a chair to the back of the head, WWE style, and had absolutely no chance of recovering. He was toast. He didn't win the day by being stronger than Vader OR Palpatine...he won by expressing love for his father and refusing to surrender to the dark side. Which turned Anakin back to the light, thus enabling Anakin to be the one who hucked the Emperor down a reactor tube. Luke basically did nothing but get his ass kicked by Vader and Palpatine, except for the brief moment when he nearly succumbed to the dark side in a fit of rage. The whole "Luke is the most powerful Jedi" thing just doesn't add up outside of the EU novels. </quote>Exactly. Even in "The Last Jedi", they make Luke look like a fool by doing an unnecessary action and dying for it. It's like, seriously, you couldn't be bothered to hop in your X-wing and go save your family and friends? You had to wait for so long that you remote in via Force Projection "Across a Galaxy" and do a unnecessarilly strenuous action that took your own life? It would've been FAR less strenuous to Force Project from the other side of the mountain. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheBrainbuster 06/19/22 1:35:19 AM #21:	MICHALECOLE posted... Thats not how he died did you watch the movies? ? He sits on the floor and fades away and dies after doing Force Projection. That's exactly how he died, bub --- Final Fantasy IV is the greatest game ever MADE!!! <cite>TheBrainbuster posted [p:965931325] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>MICHALECOLE posted... </cite> <quote>Thats not how he died did you watch the movies?</quote> ? He sits on the floor and fades away and dies after doing Force Projection. That's exactly how he died, bub </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 06/19/22 1:37:16 AM #22:	TheBrainbuster posted... He sits on the floor and fades away lol --- Look for love, and evidence that you're worth keeping <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:965931351] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>TheBrainbuster posted... </cite> <quote>He sits on the floor and fades away</quote>lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tenaku 06/19/22 1:38:38 AM #23:	Zikten posted... Exhaustion. He pulls off a very difficult Force action that drains him. We see him collapse after his action, and die from the exertion I thought climbing back up onto that giant rock and looking very relaxed and healthy sitting up on it while watching the sunset was what exhausted and killed him. <cite>Tenaku posted [p:965931369] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>Exhaustion. He pulls off a very difficult Force action that drains him. We see him collapse after his action, and die from the exertion</quote> I thought climbing back up onto that giant rock and looking very relaxed and healthy sitting up on it while watching the sunset was what exhausted and killed him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scapegoated 06/19/22 1:39:43 AM #24:	Wasn't the engine pull only possible because ~~R2D2 weakened the SD by aligning all the tie bombers in it's hanger to detonate their ordnance all at once? Sounds like R2D2 is the OP one to me.~~ --- "As our sphere of knowledge expands, so too does the circumference of darkness which surrounds it" - Einstein <cite>Scapegoated posted [p:965931397] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Wasn't the engine pull only possible because R2D2 weakened the SD by aligning all the tie bombers in it's hanger to detonate their ordnance all at once? Sounds like R2D2 is the OP one to me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheBrainbuster 06/19/22 1:39:45 AM #25:	Mistere Man posted... Seriously? Geez. . . Yes, seriously. In the books he can destroy planets and pull the engines from Star Destroyers. In the Disney films he dies from being kinda tired. --- Final Fantasy IV is the greatest game ever MADE!!! <cite>TheBrainbuster posted [p:965931400] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Mistere Man posted... </cite> <quote>Seriously? Geez. . .</quote> Yes, seriously. In the books he can destroy planets and pull the engines from Star Destroyers. In the Disney films he dies from being kinda tired. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 06/19/22 1:40:13 AM #26:	Tenaku posted... I thought climbing back up onto that giant rock and looking very relaxed and healthy sitting up on it while watching the sunset was what exhausted and killed him. He just spent too much "Force Points" and knew that it was the end of the line. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:965931407] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Tenaku posted... </cite> <quote>I thought climbing back up onto that giant rock and looking very relaxed and healthy sitting up on it while watching the sunset was what exhausted and killed him.</quote>He just spent too much "Force Points" and knew that it was the end of the line. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 06/19/22 1:40:36 AM #27:	He dies just like his mother: from exhaustion. --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:965931414] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>He dies just like his mother: from exhaustion. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheBrainbuster 06/19/22 1:41:21 AM #28:	A_Good_Boy posted... He dies just like his mother: from exhaustion. Don't get me started lmao "She has lost the will to live" Me in the theater: SHE JUST HAD TWO BABIES AND IS ABOUT TO LEAVE THEM ORPHANS WTF --- Final Fantasy IV is the greatest game ever MADE!!! <cite>TheBrainbuster posted [p:965931422] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>A_Good_Boy posted... </cite> <quote>He dies just like his mother: from exhaustion.</quote> Don't get me started lmao "She has lost the will to live" Me in the theater: SHE JUST HAD TWO BABIES AND IS ABOUT TO LEAVE THEM ORPHANS WTF </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 06/19/22 1:43:30 AM #29:	TheBrainbuster posted... Yes, seriously. In the books he can destroy planets and pull the engines from Star Destroyers. In the Disney films he dies from being kinda tired. Because Luke was written to be dumb and "Force Projected" himself across the galaxy. Instead of spending all that extra time to fly in his X-Wing to the other side of Ice Cave mountain range. Then Force Project from the safety of the Cave onto the Desert Salt Flats. Luke "Over Exerted" himself because he didn't use Force Prediction to realize where his friends should've gone to escape. He could've easily lived and just have been waiting near the exit of the Ice Cave and Force Projecting across the mountain range. Instead of wasting time projecting across multiple light years. He could've just projected across a few dozen kilometers. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:965931452] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>TheBrainbuster posted... </cite> <quote>Yes, seriously. In the books he can destroy planets and pull the engines from Star Destroyers. In the Disney films he dies from being kinda tired.</quote>Because Luke was written to be dumb and "Force Projected" himself across the galaxy. Instead of spending all that extra time to fly in his X-Wing to the other side of Ice Cave mountain range. Then Force Project from the safety of the Cave onto the Desert Salt Flats. Luke "Over Exerted" himself because he didn't use Force Prediction to realize where his friends should've gone to escape. He could've easily lived and just have been waiting near the exit of the Ice Cave and Force Projecting across the mountain range. Instead of wasting time projecting across multiple light years. He could've just projected across a few dozen kilometers. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xethuminra 06/19/22 1:45:37 AM #30:	The astral projection is amazing. Especially the way it was used to distract the army. The other powers you mentioned can be cool too.... <cite>Xethuminra posted [p:965931478] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>The astral projection is amazing. Especially the way it was used to distract the army. The other powers you mentioned can be cool too.... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ButteryMales 06/19/22 1:46:37 AM #31:	Gobstoppers12 posted... The whole "Luke is the most powerful Jedi" thing just doesn't add up outside of the EU novels. Why did Palpatine want Luke to kill Vader and take his place then? <cite>ButteryMales posted [p:965931495] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite> <quote>The whole "Luke is the most powerful Jedi" thing just doesn't add up outside of the EU novels.</quote>Why did Palpatine want Luke to kill Vader and take his place then?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheBrainbuster 06/19/22 1:49:08 AM #32:	Gobstoppers12 posted... ~~The whole "Luke is the most powerful Jedi" thing just doesn't add up outside of the EU novels.~~ wait, what? Luke is the most powerful Jedi in the Star Wars galaxy. He makes Vader look like a child in Return of the Jedi, and Vader is extremely powerful --- Final Fantasy IV is the greatest game ever MADE!!! <cite>TheBrainbuster posted [p:965931528] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite> <quote> The whole "Luke is the most powerful Jedi" thing just doesn't add up outside of the EU novels. </quote> wait, what? Luke is the most powerful Jedi in the Star Wars galaxy. He makes Vader look like a child in Return of the Jedi, and Vader is extremely powerful </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xethuminra 06/19/22 1:50:00 AM #33:	I think it's cool that such a feat could kill even a Jedi as strong as Luke. Obviously he wasn't in his prime, but I don't think that's why he died, necessarily. The projection is an abnormal power and looks physically taxing no matter who you are. If it didn't kill him, I bet even a young Luke would have been out of commission for weeks following the event. Holdo's ship isn't nearly as well done as Rey's story in TLJ <cite>Xethuminra posted [p:965931539] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>I think it's cool that such a feat could kill even a Jedi as strong as Luke. Obviously he wasn't in his prime, but I don't think that's why he died, necessarily. The projection is an abnormal power and looks physically taxing no matter who you are. If it didn't kill him, I bet even a young Luke would have been out of commission for weeks following the event. Holdo's ship isn't nearly as well done as Rey's story in TLJ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 06/19/22 1:51:06 AM #34:	ButteryMales posted... Why did Palpatine want Luke to kill Vader and take his place then? ~~Because Luke has the potential to be more powerful than Vader. Same bloodline, younger, a more complete body (aside from the hand), etc.~~ Plus, turning Luke would essentially have been the last gasp of the dying Jedi Order. It was partially a strategic move (Luke could be more powerful) and partially an ego thing (make the last known surviving Jedi fall to the dark side) Vader did get overwhelmed by Luke in the end, that much is clear, but it was a rage that welled up from the dark side. It wasn't any kind of Jedi training that made Luke capable of overcoming Vader's defenses by exhausting him. It was youth + anger = Vader knocked down. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:965931561] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>ButteryMales posted... </cite> <quote>Why did Palpatine want Luke to kill Vader and take his place then?</quote>Because Luke has the potential to be more powerful than Vader. Same bloodline, younger, a more complete body (aside from the hand), etc. Plus, turning Luke would essentially have been the last gasp of the dying Jedi Order. It was partially a strategic move (Luke could be more powerful) and partially an ego thing (make the last known surviving Jedi fall to the dark side) Vader did get overwhelmed by Luke in the end, that much is clear, but it was a rage that welled up from the dark side. It wasn't any kind of Jedi training that made Luke capable of overcoming Vader's defenses by exhausting him. It was youth + anger = Vader knocked down. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ButteryMales 06/19/22 1:53:41 AM #35:	Gobstoppers12 posted... ~~Because Luke has the potential to be more powerful than Vader. Same bloodline, younger, a more complete body (aside from the hand), etc.~~ Plus, turning Luke would essentially have been the last gasp of the dying Jedi Order. It was partially a strategic move (Luke could be more powerful) and partially an ego thing (make the last known surviving Jedi fall to the dark side) Vader did get overwhelmed by Luke in the end, that much is clear, but it was a rage that welled up from the dark side. It wasn't any kind of Jedi training that made Luke capable of overcoming Vader's defenses by exhausting him. It was youth + anger = Vader knocked down. So what you're saying is Luke becoming the most powerful force user completely adds up. <cite>ButteryMales posted [p:965931607] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted...</cite><quote>Because Luke has the potential to be more powerful than Vader. Same bloodline, younger, a more complete body (aside from the hand), etc. Plus, turning Luke would essentially have been the last gasp of the dying Jedi Order. It was partially a strategic move (Luke could be more powerful) and partially an ego thing (make the last known surviving Jedi fall to the dark side) Vader did get overwhelmed by Luke in the end, that much is clear, but it was a rage that welled up from the dark side. It wasn't any kind of Jedi training that made Luke capable of overcoming Vader's defenses by exhausting him. It was youth + anger = Vader knocked down. </quote>So what you're saying is Luke becoming the most powerful force user completely adds up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 06/19/22 1:53:46 AM #36:	TheBrainbuster posted... He makes Vader look like a child in Return of the Jedi That's overselling it a little, I think. Luke exhausted Vader with a flurry of angry blows that essentially came from the dark side. Vader had the upper hand until he threatened Leia, which he did intentionally in order to make Luke angry, and thus convert him to the dark side, as planned. He didn't count on Luke refusing to finish him off. ~~Vader was conflicted in their duel, too. He didn't truly want to hurt Luke; Luke himself even commented on the conflict within Vader. He could feel it.~~ --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:965931610] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>TheBrainbuster posted... </cite> <quote>He makes Vader look like a child in Return of the Jedi</quote>That's overselling it a little, I think. Luke exhausted Vader with a flurry of angry blows that essentially came from the dark side. Vader had the upper hand until he threatened Leia, which he did intentionally in order to make Luke angry, and thus convert him to the dark side, as planned. He didn't count on Luke refusing to finish him off. Vader was conflicted in their duel, too. He didn't truly want to hurt Luke; Luke himself even commented on the conflict within Vader. He could feel it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheBrainbuster 06/19/22 1:54:08 AM #37:	Gobstoppers12 posted... Vader did get overwhelmed by Luke in the end, that much is clear, but it was a rage that welled up from the dark side. It wasn't any kind of Jedi training that made Luke capable of overcoming Vader's defenses You're making my point for me - if Luke had fallen to the Dark Side, the Galaxy was done for. He was that powerful. We all remember what Yoda said to Luke in Empire Strikes Back: Luke: Is the Dark Side stronger? Master Yoda: No, no. Quicker, easier, more seductive He says it outright - the Dark Side is a quicker way to power. Being a Jedi takes years and years and decades of practice to master that power. --- Final Fantasy IV is the greatest game ever MADE!!! <cite>TheBrainbuster posted [p:965931620] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite> <quote> Vader did get overwhelmed by Luke in the end, that much is clear, but it was a rage that welled up from the dark side. It wasn't any kind of Jedi training that made Luke capable of overcoming Vader's defenses </quote> You're making my point for me - if Luke had fallen to the Dark Side, the Galaxy was done for. He was that powerful. We all remember what Yoda said to Luke in Empire Strikes Back: Luke: Is the Dark Side stronger? Master Yoda: No, no. Quicker, easier, more seductive He says it outright - the Dark Side is a quicker way to power. Being a Jedi takes years and years and decades of practice to master that power. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheBrainbuster 06/19/22 1:55:07 AM #38:	In that moment when Luke just used all of his outright power and fell for a second to the Dark Side, he beats Vader in seconds flat. That was his true power. He holds back in the entire film - from Jabba's barge to the Death Star. --- Final Fantasy IV is the greatest game ever MADE!!! <cite>TheBrainbuster posted [p:965931638] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>In that moment when Luke just used all of his outright power and fell for a second to the Dark Side, he beats Vader in seconds flat. That was his true power. He holds back in the entire film - from Jabba's barge to the Death Star. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 06/19/22 1:55:32 AM #39:	Xethuminra posted... I think it's cool that such a feat could kill even a Jedi as strong as Luke. Obviously he wasn't in his prime, but I don't think that's why he died, necessarily. The projection is an abnormal power and looks physically taxing no matter who you are. If it didn't kill him, I bet even a young Luke would have been out of commission for weeks following the event. When you force project over hundreds to hundreds of thousands of "Light Years" instead of several dozen kilometers from the other side of the mountain range. Of course it would be strenuous enough to kill you. They wroke Luke to be incompetent in the use of his power. Luke literally knew when & where to help his friends. Yet he couldn't be arsed to get into his X-wing, hop in it; fly on over and park on the other side of the mountain range and make a easier "Force Projection" to accomplish the same thing? It's literally plot induced stupidity for the sake of drama. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:965931649] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Xethuminra posted... </cite> <quote>I think it's cool that such a feat could kill even a Jedi as strong as Luke. Obviously he wasn't in his prime, but I don't think that's why he died, necessarily. The projection is an abnormal power and looks physically taxing no matter who you are. If it didn't kill him, I bet even a young Luke would have been out of commission for weeks following the event.</quote>When you force project over hundreds to hundreds of thousands of "Light Years" instead of several dozen kilometers from the other side of the mountain range. Of course it would be strenuous enough to kill you. They wroke Luke to be incompetent in the use of his power. Luke literally knew when & where to help his friends. Yet he couldn't be arsed to get into his X-wing, hop in it; fly on over and park on the other side of the mountain range and make a easier "Force Projection" to accomplish the same thing? It's literally plot induced stupidity for the sake of drama. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
008Zulu 06/19/22 1:58:21 AM #40:	KamenRiderBlade posted... Luke was Force Projecting "Across the Galaxy" and fighting Kylo Ren. More distracting, their lightsabers never clashed. It just goes to show how big of an idiot Kylo was, he never noticed that Luke was using the lightsaber that was destroyed just a short time ago. --- If you're not smart enough to survive, you are basically just food for something smarter. <cite>008Zulu posted [p:965931706] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>KamenRiderBlade posted... </cite> <quote>Luke was Force Projecting "Across the Galaxy" and fighting Kylo Ren.</quote>More distracting, their lightsabers never clashed. It just goes to show how big of an idiot Kylo was, he never noticed that Luke was using the lightsaber that was destroyed just a short time ago. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Murphiroth 06/19/22 1:59:22 AM #41:	Luke definitely gets up to some powerful shenanigans in the EU, but the weird esoteric Force techniques he picks up from other Force sensitive groups that aren't Jedi are way more interesting. Like the fold space technique, or the electric judgment thing he pulls off in the NJO. <cite>Murphiroth posted [p:965931717] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Luke definitely gets up to some powerful shenanigans in the EU, but the weird esoteric Force techniques he picks up from other Force sensitive groups that aren't Jedi are way more interesting. Like the fold space technique, or the electric judgment thing he pulls off in the NJO. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xethuminra 06/19/22 2:00:12 AM #42:	The books and Mara Jade has its moments, but would anyone say this stuff is that much better than the sequels? Ha. If better at all? As far the originals go even, that stuff gets old after the upteenth time. You become interested in some really good game or book that speaks to you, and then that gets old too, and you move on, and see the flaws. There's really only a few parts that are super special to you anyway, etc. I'm actually mostly pleased with the sequel trilogy at the end of the day, and find that if they focused on the elements which worked, we get interesting things like Mandalorian. <cite>Xethuminra posted [p:965931726] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>The books and Mara Jade has its moments, but would anyone say this stuff is that much better than the sequels? Ha. If better at all? As far the originals go even, that stuff gets old after the upteenth time. You become interested in some really good game or book that speaks to you, and then that gets old too, and you move on, and see the flaws. There's really only a few parts that are super special to you anyway, etc. I'm actually mostly pleased with the sequel trilogy at the end of the day, and find that if they focused on the elements which worked, we get interesting things like Mandalorian. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheBrainbuster 06/19/22 2:00:54 AM #43:	Xethuminra posted... I'm actually mostly pleased with the sequel trilogy at the end of the day, ...ew --- Final Fantasy IV is the greatest game ever MADE!!! <cite>TheBrainbuster posted [p:965931736] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Xethuminra posted... </cite> <quote>I'm actually mostly pleased with the sequel trilogy at the end of the day,</quote> ...ew </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xethuminra 06/19/22 2:01:54 AM #44:	Yeah man I had a good time with all 3 movies. And TFA aged pretty well <cite>Xethuminra posted [p:965931751] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Yeah man I had a good time with all 3 movies. And TFA aged pretty well </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheBrainbuster 06/19/22 2:02:44 AM #45:	Xethuminra posted... Yeah man I had a good time with all 3 movies. And TFA aged pretty well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSWiMoO8zNE --- Final Fantasy IV is the greatest game ever MADE!!! <cite>TheBrainbuster posted [p:965931763] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Xethuminra posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah man I had a good time with all 3 movies. And TFA aged pretty well</quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSWiMoO8zNE </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 06/19/22 2:04:26 AM #46:	ButteryMales posted... So what you're saying is Luke becoming the most powerful force user completely adds up. It does, actually, yes. But the EU made it silly by giving him a whole bunch of ridiculous combat feats. The whole notion of sending him out to fight the First Order and knock over a bunch of walkers sounds cool, but in the end, it's dark side shit. Using the force to nonviolently buy time for the Resistance to escape is 100% the most Jedi thing to do in that situation. I think that moment is what solidifies Luke as a proper Jedi Master. He used the force for defense--not for attack. I think that's very cool. So the whole idea of debating whether or not he could beat this Sith, or that Jedi, 1v1...or saying he could have beaten all the walkers if he was as powerful as his EU counterpart...misses the point of becoming a Jedi Master. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:965931788] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>ButteryMales posted... </cite> <quote>So what you're saying is Luke becoming the most powerful force user completely adds up.</quote>It does, actually, yes. But the EU made it silly by giving him a whole bunch of ridiculous combat feats. The whole notion of sending him out to fight the First Order and knock over a bunch of walkers sounds cool, but in the end, it's dark side shit. Using the force to nonviolently buy time for the Resistance to escape is 100% the most Jedi thing to do in that situation. I think that moment is what solidifies Luke as a proper Jedi Master. He used the force for defense--not for attack. I think that's very cool. So the whole idea of debating whether or not he could beat this Sith, or that Jedi, 1v1...or saying he could have beaten all the walkers if he was as powerful as his EU counterpart...misses the point of becoming a Jedi Master. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
billcom6 06/19/22 2:06:40 AM #47:	Who cares what some nerds made up for some book. --- //constant loneliness// --- Steam and Fortnite: billcom6 My Teams: The Ohio State Buckeyes, New York Yankees, Buffalo Bills, The CBJ, Cavs <cite>billcom6 posted [p:965931817] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Who cares what some nerds made up for some book. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Delta_Force 06/19/22 2:07:14 AM #48:	Mistere Man posted... What killed Luke? No I havent seen the movie. Horrible writing. --- More Bush on Obama's Clinton! What the hell does "should of" mean? <cite>Delta_Force posted [p:965931826] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>Mistere Man posted... </cite> <quote>What killed Luke? No I havent seen the movie.</quote> Horrible writing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xethuminra 06/19/22 2:07:36 AM #49:	People weren't walking out of the theater in tears or anything <cite>Xethuminra posted [p:965931830] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>People weren't walking out of the theater in tears or anything </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scapegoated 06/19/22 2:07:59 AM #50:	What if someone figured out how to make battle droids out of Beskar --- "As our sphere of knowledge expands, so too does the circumference of darkness which surrounds it" - Einstein <cite>Scapegoated posted [p:965931835] in In the Pos... [t:80062986]...</cite> <quote>What if someone figured out how to make battle droids out of Beskar </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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