Current Events > 1000% tax on "assault weapons", by House Democrats.

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CyricZ posted...

What do you find fun about guns?

Shooting it and getting better at shooting it. It's not just "point and shoot", there are actually skills involved, especially for hand guns.

TULPAMANCER posted...

No, the point is to eliminate the problem at its cause, which is mental illness.

Which is better: reducing the capacity of a brainsick individual to purchase assault rifles, reducing casualties from 50 to "just" 10, or improving online identification of risk factors and dangerous behavior to help these people before a massacre ever happens?

No one talking about mental illness actually gives a rat's fuck about mental illness. Otherwise, they'd be championing universal healthcare and greatly expanded public programs.

Also, every country has mentally ill people. Why are we the country where they kill the most people, and more people per incident?

IdiotMachine posted...

Shooting it and getting better at shooting it. It's not just "point and shoot", there are actually skills involved, especially for hand guns.

And then what?

ThePrinceFish posted...

From the guys who brought you "you don't need that to defend yourself, you have the police!" and "We should get rid of the police because they are racist morons" comes "fuck you poor man, should have been wealthier if you wanted that rifle."

When would a person who was in the right ever need an assault rifle?

If you're relying on assault rifles to defend you against the tyranny of the government, you've already lost. It takes weapons manufacturing to win a war against an army like the US government has. That's why the Confederacy lost the Civil War. All of the weapons and munitions factories were in the North.

All I'm hearing from all the gun defense around these daily mass shootings sounds like "Defund the police"

hockeybub89 posted...

All I'm hearing from all the gun defense around these daily mass shootings sounds like "Defund the police"

Well, also "We'll overthrow this tyrannical government any day now. Just give us a minute."

hockeybub89 posted...

And then what?

There is no "and then". It's like playing videogames, racing cars, etc... it's fun.

I don't live in a delusionist state where I truly think I need a gun to defend myself against the military during a coup, or defend myself against an armed robbery... I just think guns are neat and fun.

I have a concealed carry type pistol and a concealed carry license, but I never actually carried.

I'm all for tightening up gun laws and weeding out the psychos, but making guns only available to the wealthy?

Nah.

IdiotMachine posted...

I'm literally buying one now.

Youre suspect

The sad irony about a lot of these shooters is that it's so common now, none of them are going to get the notoriety they seek.

I mean, Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris etched their name in history (sadly) with Columbine. Since then? A bunch of maniacs seeking the same notoriety.

Gee, you know what would be really crazy? If one of these lunatics realized, even if for a selfish reason, they could actually achieve genuine groundbreaking fame by turning themselves in on the brink of committing the massacre.

Here I am, this is what I was planning to do, here are my weapons. Volunteer to assist in mental illness evaluation. Make a real difference. A positive one.

I know that's unlikely.

TULPAMANCER posted...

A bunch of maniacs seeking the same notoriety.

Is this what you think motivates them?

Gee, you know what would be really crazy? If one of these lunatics realized, even if for a selfish reason, they could actually achieve genuine groundbreaking fame by turning themselves in on the brink of committing the massacre.

I agree. It would take a crazy mind to think this is a thing that would happen.

If you truly want to assist in the improvement of mental health, I suggest you start by never suggesting what could be done to improve mental health ever again. Because your grasp on the concept from a healthcare standpoint is tenuous.

@CyricZ, at what point did I suggest what could be done to improve mental health, other than saying online red flags should be investigated more thoroughly?

Also, "I agree. It would take a crazy mind to think this is a thing that would happen."

Nice job conveniently leaving out the part where I said "I know that's unlikely."

But hey, whatever makes you feel like a big man on the interwebz

TULPAMANCER posted...

Oftentimes, yes. Columbine? Vegas?

You think robberies are only done with guns? And burglary by definition does not involve personal interaction so weapons aren't even required to pull that off.

No, the point is to eliminate the problem at its cause, which is mental illness.

Which is better: reducing the capacity of a brainsick individual to purchase assault rifles, reducing casualties from 50 to "just" 10, or improving online identification of risk factors and dangerous behavior to help these people before a massacre ever happens?

uhh how bout both? Mental illness is not the only problem. Other countries have mental health issues as well and don't have an excess amount of pointless gun deaths. How do people like yourself continually ignore the obvious?

TULPAMANCER posted...

@CyricZ, at what point did I suggest what could be done to improve mental health, other than saying online red flags should be investigated more thoroughly?

By suggesting mental health is the real problem, of course. Post #50 in case you've already forgotten.

Stop punting to mental health because, as I'll say again and more bluntly, you know nothing about it from a healthcare standpoint.

Stop it.

I honestly would have guessed itd cost more than ~$600 for an AR-15.

CyricZ posted...

By suggesting mental health is the real problem, of course. Post #50 in case you've already forgotten.

Stop punting to mental health because, as I'll say again and more bluntly, you know nothing about it from a healthcare standpoint.

Stop it.

So you don't believe mental illness is at the foundation of these massacres? Even disregarding my ignorance of health care as you're claiming.

TULPAMANCER posted...

So you don't believe mental illness is at the foundation of these massacres?

You're making things up now.

Stop it. Stop it now.

Good

By suggesting mental health is the real problem

???

I was thinking that gun owners should be taxed per year per gun to help fund mental health.

I'm not saying it's a solution. Just an idea.

Rip away!

I wish the Democrats had the balls to call the GOP's bluff. We can all have gun rights, in exchange for instituting an expansive universal healthcare program.

Republicans will suddenly not care so much about the mental health ailments of our citizens.

Delta_Force posted...

I was thinking that gun owners should be taxed per year per gun to help fund mental health.

I'm not saying it's a solution. Just an idea.

Rip away!

That would disproportionately target poor and disenfranchised communities.

Delta_Force posted...

I was thinking that gun owners should be taxed per year per gun to help fund mental health.

I'm not saying it's a solution. Just an idea.

Rip away!

And funerals costs, and school security

Flauros posted...

That would disproportionately target poor and disenfranchised communities.

How so?

A_Good_Boy posted...

How so?

The exact same way that any tax or fine impacts the poor more than anyone.

TULPAMANCER posted...

By suggesting mental health is the real problem

???

Instead of guns, but I suppose it takes some nice convenient selective memory to suddenly forget what this topic is about.

Stop it.

Flauros posted...

The exact same way that any tax or fine impacts the poor more than anyone.

Solution: Tax the rich more and tax the poor less

hockeybub89 posted...

Solution: Tax the rich more and tax the poor less

What about this 1000% tax on guns?

Should the poor tax be 1% and the 250k+ 1000%? Or just baseline it at 1000% and go from there?

AloneIBreak posted...

I honestly would have guessed itd cost more than ~$600 for an AR-15.

Depends on how Gucci you want it.

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So you have nothing to say?

Go take your lap.

Flauros posted...

What about this 1000% tax on guns?

Should the poor tax be 1% and the 250k+ 1000%? Or just baseline it at 1000% and go from there?

I have a better idea. Let's forget this tax on guns and instead institute a tax-paid universal healthcare program to cure this uniquely Ameircan mental health issue. We can tax the rich for most of it.

CyricZ posted...

Instead of guns, but I suppose it takes some nice convenient selective memory to suddenly forget what this topic is about.

Stop it.

Right, which is what I said earlier. You view guns, not mental health, as the root problem. Where is the disagreement?

Flauros posted...

What about this 1000% tax on guns?

Should the poor tax be 1% and the 250k+ 1000%? Or just baseline it at 1000% and go from there?

This predicates on some fantasy scenario where the rich go to poor peoples' houses and use guns to kill them or take what little wealth they have.

And why would rich people do that when there currently exist ways for them to take poor peoples' wealth legally?

But I've never accused you of thinking your lines of thought through, so you get a pass.

TULPAMANCER posted...

Right, which is what I said earlier. You view guns, not mental health, as the root problem. Where is the disagreement?

Also didn't say that. You assume I do because you want to view guns as none of the problem.

You're pretending we're diametrically opposed on the issue because it makes your argument seem less useless.

I'm fine with this idea.

hockeybub89 posted...

I have a better idea. Let's forget this tax on guns and instead institute a tax-paid universal healthcare program to cure this uniquely Ameircan mental health issue. We can tax the rich for most of it.

That and tap into those slush funds to help fund it

AloneIBreak posted...

I honestly would have guessed itd cost more than ~$600 for an AR-15.

Back during trump days, you could get them for as low as $300ish.

Flauros posted...

Also why are anti gunners so obsessed with gun owners dicks? Its strange.

They like to grab them. As for the tax, keeping rights behind a paywall is a really bad precedent. I'm sure dems will be trying to bring the poll tax back soon enough. Racist pieces of shit.

CyricZ posted...

This predicates on some fantasy scenario where the rich go to poor peoples' houses and use guns to kill them or take what little wealth they have.

And why would rich people do that when there currently exist ways for them to take poor peoples' wealth legally?

But I've never accused you of thinking your lines of thought through, so you get a pass.

You have no idea what you are even saying do you @CyricZ ?

This is why people were reluctant to vote for Biden to begin with. It has come full circle and a lot of Republicans feel vindicated, and even Democrats betrayed.

The next election is not going to bode well for the Democratic party.

CyricZ posted...

Also didn't say that. You assume I do because you want to view guns as none of the problem.

You're pretending we're diametrically opposed on the issue because it makes your argument seem less useless.

Perhaps I misconstrued your posts.

In any event, are you involved in the health care field? Your earlier posts seem to come from a position of authority. If so, I'm always open to education.

CyricZ posted...

This predicates on some fantasy scenario where the rich go to poor peoples' houses and use guns to kill them or take what little wealth they have.

And why would rich people do that when there currently exist ways for them to take poor peoples' wealth legally?

But I've never accused you of thinking your lines of thought through, so you get a pass.

Gun nuts were never gonna use their guns to defend themselves from a "tyrannical government" anyway. The Venn diagram including gun nuts and back the blue types is damn near a perfect circle

Flauros posted...

You have no idea what you are even saying do you @CyricZ ?

Well go ahead. Tell me how not being able to buy guns hurts poor people.

TULPAMANCER posted...

In any event, are you involved in the health care field? Your earlier posts seem to come from a position of authority. If so, I'm always open to education.

Only enough to know how much I still have to learn.

545x39 posted...

They like to grab them. As for the tax, keeping rights behind a paywall is a really bad precedent. I'm sure dems will be trying to bring the poll tax back soon enough. Racist pieces of shit.

Ah so you support free IDs and making voting as easy and convenient as possible? How left-wing of you.

CyricZ posted...

Only enough to know how much I still have to learn.

Ah, very Socratic. I like it. You're okay in my book. Not that you care.