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Lokarin
06/05/22 11:20:18 AM
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I know HL2 was good, but that's kinda sad if it's STILL the top...


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Sahuagin
06/05/22 11:22:07 AM
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no? trying to say "I f***ing hate that game" nicely but I can't think of a way.

have you played Borderlands 2? that's a way better FPS with way better story. or what about Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal?

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VampireCoyote
06/05/22 11:33:24 AM
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Yeah Doom(2016) and Doom Eternal are just incredible FPS storytelling. Very fun games.

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captpackrat
06/05/22 11:34:00 AM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/3/0/AAQwHjAADTji.jpg

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Dikitain
06/05/22 11:38:18 AM
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While I don't think either game was bad, I think the popularity of Half Life 2 and Halo 2 is the reason that most FPS games made between 2005 and 2015 were absolute crap.

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Lokarin
06/05/22 11:53:49 AM
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Sahuagin posted...
no? trying to say "I f***ing hate that game" nicely but I can't think of a way.

have you played Borderlands 2? that's a way better FPS with way better story. or what about Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal?

I don't recall Doom 2016 even having a story... and while Doom Eternal is an awesome game, not exactly a soul-turning narrative

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Sahuagin
06/05/22 12:03:32 PM
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Lokarin posted...
I don't recall Doom 2016 even having a story...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm26tEVSIpc

but Borderlands 2 was my initial suggestion

also there is Deus Ex and System Shock 2 unless they are not pure-FPS enough

another one is Wolfenstein: The New Order

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ParanoidObsessive
06/05/22 12:08:40 PM
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Lokarin posted...
Is HalfLife2 still the pinnacle of linear storytelling in an FPS?

I wouldn't even agree that it was the pinnacle of storytelling in an FPS in 2004.

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VampireCoyote
06/05/22 12:09:56 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
I wouldn't even agree that it was the pinnacle of storytelling in an FPS in 2004.

what was better at that point?

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Sahuagin
06/05/22 12:12:38 PM
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System Shock 2 is 1999 and Deus Ex is 2000 (and Thief was 1998 though maybe it's not quite an FPS)

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LaggnFragnLarry
06/05/22 12:16:23 PM
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bioshock was good
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ParanoidObsessive
06/05/22 12:18:28 PM
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VampireCoyote posted...
what was better at that point?

Plenty of games. But that's mostly because I've never really liked Half-Life 2's story in the first place.

Just as a single example Halo 2 came out the same year, and I found that better in pretty much every single way in terms of actual enjoyment. And as people pointed out, Deus Ex came out even earlier.

It's part of why I've always found the Internet's constant fellating of HL2 to be little more than empty noise for an overhyped, overrated game (and why I've never shared the WOMG WHEN HL3?!?! mindset). It's not nearly as great as people act like it is. Especially if you didn't play it when it came out, and thus aren't completely blinded by your own nostalgia for it.

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VampireCoyote
06/05/22 12:25:44 PM
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I only got around to playing it when The Orange Box came out and I thought it was great and really liked how the story never broke from your point of view

I havent played Deus Ex but Halo 2 didnt really have good storytelling imo even compared to other games in that series

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Sahuagin
06/05/22 12:35:38 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
an overhyped, overrated game
it's not just overrated, it's actually bad

I'm not sure if most people notice, but the game has no AI and the entire world depends entirely on scripted events. enemy AI literally consists of: if out of range, path into range; when in range, stand still and shoot. that's like placeholder AI that you would write as you're developing the game before writing something more substantial later. (and this is supposed to be a pure FPS game...)

and then the utter tedium of fighting those tripod and helicopter things...

I think the only thing it had going for it at the time was a sense of realism that came from the high-res textures and atmospheric sounds and art style. it does sort of authentically feel like you're in the rural parts of an east european country.

oh and the "story telling"... just about every character in the game from the beginning to the end gushes over the main character which is the most revolting thing ever.

it's basically just a tech demo for the source engine which apparently focuses too much on scripting and not enough on actual gameplay.

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Tutoria
06/05/22 1:22:57 PM
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deus ex sucks

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ParanoidObsessive
06/05/22 1:32:06 PM
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Sahuagin posted...
it's basically just a tech demo for the source engine which apparently focuses too much on scripting and not enough on actual gameplay.

But the physics, though!

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VampireCoyote
06/05/22 1:35:47 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
But the physics, though!

it had been 18 years but it still annoyed him as if he had just read the words on the screen

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Metalsonic66
06/05/22 1:36:59 PM
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Yeah Half-Life 2 is still one of the best single-player FPS games of all time.

Bioshock games are up there too.

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What_The_Chris
06/05/22 2:04:09 PM
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am I the only one who liked the original HL way more than HL2

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Metalsonic66
06/05/22 2:28:51 PM
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The original is underrated as hell

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Lokarin
06/05/22 2:38:10 PM
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I really like the original better in terms of wrote gameplay

And I somehow overlooked teh Bioshocks, they have a great combination of both linear storytelling as well as discoverable exposition.

I don't remember if Deus Ex had a linear story, other than getting captured half-way through... but it's been a long while

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DragonClaw01
06/05/22 2:42:50 PM
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Lokarin posted...
I really like the original better in terms of wrote gameplay

And I somehow overlooked teh Bioshocks, they have a great combination of both linear storytelling as well as discoverable exposition.

I don't remember if Deus Ex had a linear story, other than getting captured half-way through... but it's been a long while
Dues Ex is linear with branching story paths, similar to Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines, another pretty immersive action RPG. Although, I suppose most branches end up leading to the same place, so I guess they are more temporary diversions rather than branches.


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VampireCoyote
06/05/22 2:44:40 PM
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Prey 2017 is good but thats more of a survival horror thing than a shooter really

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Lokarin
06/05/22 2:45:49 PM
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VampireCoyote posted...
Prey 2017 is good but thats more of a survival horror thing than a shooter really

ya, i guess i also have to include RE7 and 8 or whatever... i haven't played them, but they are FPSsss

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Nade Duck
06/05/22 2:48:51 PM
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many things have copied it and improved on its formula at this point. still kinda wanna go back and replay it again though. it was good shit. <3

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Yellow
06/05/22 3:34:49 PM
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Wolfenstein could have been a classic movie. That Hitler scene was hilarious.

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Metalsonic66
06/05/22 3:38:14 PM
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The only thing that kinda bugged me with the first game is how you only had one movement speed: sprinting

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10InchNails
06/05/22 3:47:14 PM
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Bioshock 1 is my personal favorite. Half Life 2 is great though. I actually really like RE7 and 8 as well.
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Nade Duck
06/05/22 3:51:17 PM
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Metalsonic66 posted...
The only thing that kinda bugged me with the first game is how you only had one movement speed: sprinting
you could walk but it was slow as fuck and not worth bothering with.

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Metalsonic66
06/05/22 3:53:21 PM
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Nade Duck posted...
you could walk but it was slow as fuck and not worth bothering with.
Not in the version I played

It was zero to sixty

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acesxhigh
06/05/22 4:22:01 PM
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VampireCoyote posted...
what was better at that point?
halo
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acesxhigh
06/05/22 4:22:41 PM
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as for HL2 I don't recall the story although the levels themselves were quite good.
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VampireCoyote
06/05/22 4:25:22 PM
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acesxhigh posted...
halo

yeah I think that one is better

imo Reach is the only Halo game with a story that even comes close to the first game.

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Zareth
06/05/22 4:52:12 PM
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What_The_Chris posted...
am I the only one who liked the original HL way more than HL2
Nope, I feel the same.

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TheSlinja
06/05/22 5:07:33 PM
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unironically want to put modern warfare 1 and 2 and black ops 1 and 2 in here

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Dikitain
06/05/22 5:14:59 PM
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Metalsonic66 posted...
Not in the version I played

It was zero to sixty

Probably had auto-run on. Lots of games from the time had that as the default because "why wouldn't you want to be running all the time in this game with first person platforming?"

That was also around the time when moving with the arrow keys and holding alt to strafe was still the default. I remember that was the default control scheme in the original version at least.

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Metalsonic66
06/05/22 5:16:03 PM
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I think the PS2 version had analog movement at least

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ParanoidObsessive
06/05/22 5:19:21 PM
#38:


Lokarin posted...
I don't remember if Deus Ex had a linear story, other than getting captured half-way through... but it's been a long while

The gameplay is a bit sandboxy in places, where you can choose where to go or who to interact with in what order, but the overall story and quest chains are pretty linear. It just feels like you have more freedom than you do because most areas/missions have multiple possible solution paths you can take. But they all generally lead to the exact same place in the end.

There are a couple places where your decisions alter a few things, and you can basically pick which ending you want, but the overall story is pretty linear overall.

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