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realnifty1 05/24/22 7:08:50 PM #311: |
Reminder: The 2nd Amendment doesn't actually say what Conservatives tell you it does. It is rooted in a dependent clause and the mistrust of standing armies. When it was written the US did not have a standing army and most of the founding fathers did not like the idea of it ever having one. Hence the "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,.." clause on which the right depends. However, with the establishment of a standing army we no longer needed a well regulated Militia to secure a free State thus voiding the right. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 05/24/22 7:10:46 PM #312: |
That's a neat parlor trick for debate club but in practice, at the moment, the only interpretation of the second amendment that matters is the one held by the unelected judges of the supreme court. --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarthAragorn 05/24/22 7:11:04 PM #313: |
realnifty1 posted... Reminder: The 2nd Amendment doesn't actually say what Conservatives tell you it does.It also was written at a time when they could fire maybe once every 10 seconds --- MSI MEG X570 Unify | Ryzen 7 5800X | 32GB DDR4-3600 | RTX 3080 Samsung Odyssey G7 32" - 1440p, 240hz, GSync ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dark_Spiret 05/24/22 7:11:26 PM #314: |
there is no realistic solution here. banning guns will never happen and even if it did it wouldnt fix the deep seated festering rot of society largely perpetuated by social media, fear mongering news networks and by and large lack of people giving a shit about each other with ever dividing political and cultural norms. the US specifically has always had shootings, but not until columbine (and coincidentally the above shifts) did you start to see a real break down of society. the guns have always been there, these types of shootings, by and large wernt. it shows a much deeper relatively new problem that needs to be addressed or we are all going to drown. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CryoForceOmelet 05/24/22 7:12:20 PM #315: |
realnifty1 posted... However, with the establishment of a standing army we no longer needed a well regulated Militia to secure a free State thus voiding the right.How do you get the idea that the existence of the first clause makes the third and fourth clause invalid? --- Wow. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nemu 05/24/22 7:14:06 PM #316: |
crayola555 posted... Are you really serious? You think we could solve everyone's problems? You think we could just turn our entire country into Happy La-la place where everyones happy and society's problems will just go away. Do you also think by the end of this decade there will be achieving of world peace forever?What realistic laws could filter out less than 0.000002% of the population? This is not an issue affecting major portions of the population, so how will they help in these cases? I'm not against gun control in general in cases where it makes sense, but it simply makes zero sense as to how it would help this particular situation in our current reality. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bluezero 05/24/22 7:14:13 PM #317: |
Fox News (Jesse Watters): Biden better not fuck up tonight's speech by addressing guns. --- i7-12700F - 3060 Ti - 32GB 3200 - 1440p ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 05/24/22 7:14:26 PM #318: |
Apparently the shooter's grandmother is still alive ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CanuckCowboy 05/24/22 7:15:13 PM #320: |
Taharqa_ posted... No, cuz this is Murica! Iirc Canada has 40 something for every hundred people. Which is a lot less but also enough that its clear the issue isn't just how common guns are. --- "I have a cat he's burly n buff but he just likes goin' for walks n stuff" https://files.catbox.moe/gqwlkg.jpeg ~ by JimCarrysToe. Be amaze. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CanuckCowboy 05/24/22 7:16:39 PM #321: |
Nemu posted... What realistic laws could filter out less than 0.000002% of the population? This is not an issue affecting major portions of the population, so how will they help in these cases? I'm not against gun control in general in cases where it makes sense, but it simply makes zero sense as to how it would help this particular situation in our current reality. It certainly wouldn't hurt. You're right the issue goes beyond that, but also when damn near every tom dick and Mary can pack a gun at all times that definitely doesn't help. --- "I have a cat he's burly n buff but he just likes goin' for walks n stuff" https://files.catbox.moe/gqwlkg.jpeg ~ by JimCarrysToe. Be amaze. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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crayola555 05/24/22 7:16:53 PM #322: |
Nemu posted... What realistic laws could filter out less than 0.000002% of the population? This is not an issue affecting major portions of the population, so how will they help in these cases? I'm not against gun control in general in cases where it makes sense, but it simply makes zero sense as to how it would help this particular situation in our current reality. It helped in China, and any other developed civilized nation --- 3DS FC: 0619-4850-3479 IGN: AlmaDelita ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 05/24/22 7:18:58 PM #323: |
https://twitter.com/igorbobic/status/1529229994542571521 --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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realnifty1 05/24/22 7:19:59 PM #324: |
Antifar posted... That's a neat parlor trick for debate club but in practice, at the moment, the only interpretation of the second amendment that matters is the one held by the unelected judges of the supreme court. They can only persist with it because of the ignorance of the people. Ultimately it is up to them, but lack of public education on what it actually means allows them to continue their misinterpretation. CryoForceOmelet posted... How do you get the idea that the existence of the first clause makes the third and fourth clause invalid? Huh, the 2nd amendment is one sentence with a right, a dependent clause, and a modifier : "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Right: the right of the people to keep and bear Arms Modifier for the Right: shall not be infringed (But only important if the Right exists) Dependent Clause: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State Because we do not need a well regulated militia there exists no right to unfettered keeping and bearing of arms. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Turtlemayor333 05/24/22 7:20:14 PM #325: |
CryoForceOmelet posted... How do you get the idea that the existence of the first clause makes the third and fourth clause invalid?If regulated militias had nothing to do with an inherent right to gun ownership then why did they mention it? --- http://i.imgur.com/WWk7D.jpg http://i.imgur.com/hE7v5GL.jpg http://i.imgur.com/sY9YLKe.jpg http://i.imgur.com/9e67vqt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 05/24/22 7:22:02 PM #326: |
realnifty1 posted... They can only persist with it because of the ignorance of the people. Ultimately it is up to them, but lack of public education on what it actually means allows them to continue their misinterpretation.They aren't behlolden in the slightest to a public that elects neither them nor the people who appoint and approve them to lifetime terms. --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gwynevere 05/24/22 7:22:48 PM #327: |
Nothing's gonna change to prevent stuff like this. Best we can hope for is that Dems even get to keep their majority after the midterms, much less gain enough seats to be able to pass anything substantial on either the gun access or mental health care access front People like Manchin don't make this shit any easier on top of it all --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream [She/they] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bluezero 05/24/22 7:24:43 PM #328: |
Death toll up to 18 children. --- i7-12700F - 3060 Ti - 32GB 3200 - 1440p ... Copied to Clipboard!
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bshwalker 05/24/22 7:28:21 PM #330: |
You know? The healthcare workers that are trying to save the life of a child and the child doesnt make it Literally hundreds if not close to a thousand people destroyed per victim The unnamed fallout ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Punished_Blinx 05/24/22 7:30:39 PM #331: |
bluezero posted... Death toll up to 18 children. Fucking hell. bshwalker posted... You know? The healthcare workers that are trying to save the life of a child and the child doesnt make it Pretty much. I remember even here we had a user who was working close by to the Vegas shooting. --- A Fallen Mascot ... Copied to Clipboard!
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lilORANG 05/24/22 7:30:45 PM #332: |
But remember, the real danger kids face in school is reading about slavery and learning people's preferred pronouns. --- #FeelTheBern http://i.imgur.com/q5z4CUu.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6B9oFXh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/sy42Dlf.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PrettyBoyFloyd 05/24/22 7:31:56 PM #333: |
Like I'm sure militias hunted food for people or had guards in peoples homes. Now if the G put militias/guards on every street corner or some establishment I can see the avg civilian not needing a weapon. --- The Evil Republicans - Est.2004 - WoT [Government Destabilizing Branch] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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chukklez17dc 05/24/22 7:40:30 PM #335: |
https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1529216145957523458?s=20&t=Y3BqFZN8jZF551pqHMyIRQ --- Hello ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Malcrasternus 05/24/22 7:44:50 PM #336: |
chukklez17dc posted... https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1529216145957523458?s=20&t=Y3BqFZN8jZF551pqHMyIRQ Not to shit on this guy, but. . . what laws, exactly? A gun ban? Background checks which already exist? Red flag laws? --- 4/15/1951 - 3/18/2014 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ktownslayer16 05/24/22 7:46:34 PM #337: |
Even if you got rid of the 2A today it would take 20 years to change the mindset towards guns. Your laws aren't your biggest roblem, your gun culture and mentality towards them is. --- Fire Pierre Dorion ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CountDrugula 05/24/22 7:49:01 PM #339: |
This is supposedly him... or whatever the fuck that thing is supposed to be https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/13ad3a91b3c5c5da6c4b1df0064b70ba466626e8643dd885f31cfc246af9b561.png --- https://i.imgur.com/Ad66Swg.jpg --- http://last.fm/user/doesntexist420 https://vsmusick.wordpress.com/ - Home of the world's worst music reviews ... Copied to Clipboard!
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lilORANG 05/24/22 7:49:34 PM #340: |
ktownslayer16 posted... Even if you got rid of the 2A today it would take 20 years to change the mindset towards guns. Your laws aren't your biggest roblem, your gun culture and mentality towards them is.All we'd need to happen is have some messianic figure like Donald Trump tell people to stop fetishizing their guns and people would listen. This is the dude who said he wanted to seize guns now and worry about due process later and Rs still love him. --- #FeelTheBern http://i.imgur.com/q5z4CUu.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6B9oFXh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/sy42Dlf.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Prestoff 05/24/22 7:49:40 PM #341: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Damn, I feel for the families and friends of those victims. I remember it was a huge blow to us when our Aunt was shot by teens who were attempting to do a burglary at a super market. It just happens so sudden, I just wanted to beat up those fucking teens. I learned that the teens were all orphans and ran away from foster care and I know our aunt wouldn't want anything bad to happen to them because she was an orphan herself. I just hope those families and friends stay strong from these rough times. --- DI MOLTO! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 05/24/22 7:50:27 PM #344: |
ktownslayer16 posted... Even if you got rid of the 2A today it would take 20 years to change the mindset towards guns. Your laws aren't your biggest roblem, your gun culture and mentality towards them is.I'm fine with this. --- CyricZ He/him ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dat_Cracka_Jax 05/24/22 7:51:14 PM #345: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] --- http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/8131/flame201010170949481638.jpg http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/5517/cateyes.gif Rams: 7-9 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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g0ldie 05/24/22 7:51:49 PM #346: |
bluezero posted... Death toll up to 18 children. [LFAQs-redacted-quote] damn, I only read some of the first page, so I was going off of the shooting not taking place in the school, and I wasn't expecting so many people to be shot (let alone killed). RIP to them all; this is a tragedy. --- https://imgur.com/mApEnf3 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 05/24/22 7:52:23 PM #347: |
Conflict posted... Not reading through 7 pages. Did the shooter off himself/get killed Yes ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 05/24/22 7:52:36 PM #348: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Yes --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HBKick18 05/24/22 7:53:23 PM #349: |
i don't even want to think about how abbott will spin this to blame anything but guns --- Proud fan of the worst team in American professional sports history: the Chicago Cubs. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CableZL 05/24/22 7:53:36 PM #350: |
How long until the Alex Jones types start calling this a false flag and accuse the survivors of being crisis actors --- https://i.imgtc.com/d9Fc4Qq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/BKHTxYq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/vYYIuDx.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dat_Cracka_Jax 05/24/22 7:56:37 PM #353: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] "Did he cross the border illegally?" How about actually fucking find out instead of just ass pulling. Fuck these disingenuous fuckheads --- http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/8131/flame201010170949481638.jpg http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/5517/cateyes.gif Rams: 7-9 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Master Kazuya 05/24/22 7:56:50 PM #354: |
ktownslayer16 posted... Even if you got rid of the 2A today it would take 20 years to change the mindset towards guns. Your laws aren't your biggest roblem, your gun culture and mentality towards them is. Hm, mass killings forever, or mass killings for 20 years? I'll take 20 years. --- itt my post is the best ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HBKick18 05/24/22 7:57:25 PM #355: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] as soon as I read the name of the shooter, i knew people would jump to this gross conclusion --- Proud fan of the worst team in American professional sports history: the Chicago Cubs. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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crayola555 05/24/22 8:02:18 PM #357: |
ktownslayer16 posted... Even if you got rid of the 2A today it would take 20 years to change the mindset towards guns. Your laws aren't your biggest roblem, your gun culture and mentality towards them is. Dude, 20 years is a GODSEND if that's all it takes for change to appear. With the way things are going stalemate right now it would take literally forever for anything to happen. --- 3DS FC: 0619-4850-3479 IGN: AlmaDelita ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Prestoff 05/24/22 8:05:36 PM #358: |
CableZL posted... How long until the Alex Jones types start calling this a false flag and accuse the survivors of being crisis actors No, he will probably blame this on immigrants and why we still need the wall since the shooter isn't white. --- DI MOLTO! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Shadow Don 05/24/22 8:06:02 PM #359: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] And here it goes. Totally going to erase the obviously politically motivated Buffalo shooting because this shooter was not a white person. Fucking gross. --- "The soul in the darkness sins, but the real sinner is he who caused the darkness." - Victor Hugo ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Unknown580 05/24/22 8:07:18 PM #360: |
Shadow Don posted... And here it goes. Totally going to erase the obviously politically motivated Buffalo shooting because this shooter was not a white person.Yep, if he's white he has a mental illness and a kid, if he's brown is he an illegal/gangbanger? If he's black he's a thug and a criminal ... Copied to Clipboard!
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