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realnifty1
05/24/22 7:08:50 PM
#311:


Reminder: The 2nd Amendment doesn't actually say what Conservatives tell you it does.
It is rooted in a dependent clause and the mistrust of standing armies. When it was written the US did not have a standing army and most of the founding fathers did not like the idea of it ever having one. Hence the "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,.." clause on which the right depends.
However, with the establishment of a standing army we no longer needed a well regulated Militia to secure a free State thus voiding the right.
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Antifar
05/24/22 7:10:46 PM
#312:


That's a neat parlor trick for debate club but in practice, at the moment, the only interpretation of the second amendment that matters is the one held by the unelected judges of the supreme court.

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DarthAragorn
05/24/22 7:11:04 PM
#313:


realnifty1 posted...
Reminder: The 2nd Amendment doesn't actually say what Conservatives tell you it does.
It is rooted in a dependent clause and the mistrust of standing armies. When it was written the US did not have a standing army and most of the founding fathers did not like the idea of it ever having one. Hence the "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,.." clause on which the right depends.
However, with the establishment of a standing army we no longer needed a well regulated Militia to secure a free State thus voiding the right.
It also was written at a time when they could fire maybe once every 10 seconds

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Dark_Spiret
05/24/22 7:11:26 PM
#314:


there is no realistic solution here. banning guns will never happen and even if it did it wouldnt fix the deep seated festering rot of society largely perpetuated by social media, fear mongering news networks and by and large lack of people giving a shit about each other with ever dividing political and cultural norms.

the US specifically has always had shootings, but not until columbine (and coincidentally the above shifts) did you start to see a real break down of society. the guns have always been there, these types of shootings, by and large wernt. it shows a much deeper relatively new problem that needs to be addressed or we are all going to drown.
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CryoForceOmelet
05/24/22 7:12:20 PM
#315:


realnifty1 posted...
However, with the establishment of a standing army we no longer needed a well regulated Militia to secure a free State thus voiding the right.
How do you get the idea that the existence of the first clause makes the third and fourth clause invalid?

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Nemu
05/24/22 7:14:06 PM
#316:


crayola555 posted...
Are you really serious? You think we could solve everyone's problems? You think we could just turn our entire country into Happy La-la place where everyones happy and society's problems will just go away. Do you also think by the end of this decade there will be achieving of world peace forever?

And for the record the USA is pretty much the only country in the developed nations that has this problem. You literally will be hard pressed to have any other country get a mass shooter every other week on the news. Look at literal China, they have like 3-4 times out population. They have angry people and issues, just like the rest of us. They have guns in movies and video games, a firearms culture just like us. And they don't have nearly a big of an issue of gun violence than we do. So your point that gun control and more restrictions doesn't help in anything is BULLSHIT
What realistic laws could filter out less than 0.000002% of the population? This is not an issue affecting major portions of the population, so how will they help in these cases? I'm not against gun control in general in cases where it makes sense, but it simply makes zero sense as to how it would help this particular situation in our current reality.
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bluezero
05/24/22 7:14:13 PM
#317:


Fox News (Jesse Watters): Biden better not fuck up tonight's speech by addressing guns.

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Zikten
05/24/22 7:14:26 PM
#318:


Apparently the shooter's grandmother is still alive
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CanuckCowboy
05/24/22 7:15:13 PM
#320:


Taharqa_ posted...
No, cuz this is Murica!

120 firearms for every 100 citizens, we lead the pack on every other nation.

Iirc Canada has 40 something for every hundred people.

Which is a lot less but also enough that its clear the issue isn't just how common guns are.

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CanuckCowboy
05/24/22 7:16:39 PM
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Nemu posted...
What realistic laws could filter out less than 0.000002% of the population? This is not an issue affecting major portions of the population, so how will they help in these cases? I'm not against gun control in general in cases where it makes sense, but it simply makes zero sense as to how it would help this particular situation in our current reality.

It certainly wouldn't hurt.

You're right the issue goes beyond that, but also when damn near every tom dick and Mary can pack a gun at all times that definitely doesn't help.

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crayola555
05/24/22 7:16:53 PM
#322:


Nemu posted...
What realistic laws could filter out less than 0.000002% of the population? This is not an issue affecting major portions of the population, so how will they help in these cases? I'm not against gun control in general in cases where it makes sense, but it simply makes zero sense as to how it would help this particular situation in our current reality.

It helped in China, and any other developed civilized nation

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Antifar
05/24/22 7:18:58 PM
#323:


https://twitter.com/igorbobic/status/1529229994542571521

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realnifty1
05/24/22 7:19:59 PM
#324:


Antifar posted...
That's a neat parlor trick for debate club but in practice, at the moment, the only interpretation of the second amendment that matters is the one held by the unelected judges of the supreme court.

They can only persist with it because of the ignorance of the people. Ultimately it is up to them, but lack of public education on what it actually means allows them to continue their misinterpretation.

CryoForceOmelet posted...
How do you get the idea that the existence of the first clause makes the third and fourth clause invalid?

Huh, the 2nd amendment is one sentence with a right, a dependent clause, and a modifier :
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Right: the right of the people to keep and bear Arms
Modifier for the Right: shall not be infringed (But only important if the Right exists)
Dependent Clause: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State

Because we do not need a well regulated militia there exists no right to unfettered keeping and bearing of arms.
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Turtlemayor333
05/24/22 7:20:14 PM
#325:


CryoForceOmelet posted...
How do you get the idea that the existence of the first clause makes the third and fourth clause invalid?
If regulated militias had nothing to do with an inherent right to gun ownership then why did they mention it?


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Antifar
05/24/22 7:22:02 PM
#326:


realnifty1 posted...
They can only persist with it because of the ignorance of the people. Ultimately it is up to them, but lack of public education on what it actually means allows them to continue their misinterpretation.
They aren't behlolden in the slightest to a public that elects neither them nor the people who appoint and approve them to lifetime terms.

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Gwynevere
05/24/22 7:22:48 PM
#327:


Nothing's gonna change to prevent stuff like this. Best we can hope for is that Dems even get to keep their majority after the midterms, much less gain enough seats to be able to pass anything substantial on either the gun access or mental health care access front

People like Manchin don't make this shit any easier on top of it all

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bluezero
05/24/22 7:24:43 PM
#328:


Death toll up to 18 children.

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bshwalker
05/24/22 7:28:21 PM
#330:


You know? The healthcare workers that are trying to save the life of a child and the child doesnt make it
Literally hundreds if not close to a thousand people destroyed per victim
The unnamed fallout
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Punished_Blinx
05/24/22 7:30:39 PM
#331:


bluezero posted...
Death toll up to 18 children.

Fucking hell.

bshwalker posted...
You know? The healthcare workers that are trying to save the life of a child and the child doesnt make it
Literally hundreds if not close to a thousand people destroyed per victim
The unnamed fallout

Pretty much. I remember even here we had a user who was working close by to the Vegas shooting.

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lilORANG
05/24/22 7:30:45 PM
#332:


But remember, the real danger kids face in school is reading about slavery and learning people's preferred pronouns.

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PrettyBoyFloyd
05/24/22 7:31:56 PM
#333:


Like I'm sure militias hunted food for people or had guards in peoples homes.

Now if the G put militias/guards on every street corner or some establishment I can see the avg civilian not needing a weapon.


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chukklez17dc
05/24/22 7:40:30 PM
#335:


https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1529216145957523458?s=20&t=Y3BqFZN8jZF551pqHMyIRQ

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Malcrasternus
05/24/22 7:44:50 PM
#336:


chukklez17dc posted...
https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1529216145957523458?s=20&t=Y3BqFZN8jZF551pqHMyIRQ

Not to shit on this guy, but. . . what laws, exactly? A gun ban? Background checks which already exist? Red flag laws?


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ktownslayer16
05/24/22 7:46:34 PM
#337:


Even if you got rid of the 2A today it would take 20 years to change the mindset towards guns. Your laws aren't your biggest roblem, your gun culture and mentality towards them is.


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CountDrugula
05/24/22 7:49:01 PM
#339:


This is supposedly him... or whatever the fuck that thing is supposed to be

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lilORANG
05/24/22 7:49:34 PM
#340:


ktownslayer16 posted...
Even if you got rid of the 2A today it would take 20 years to change the mindset towards guns. Your laws aren't your biggest roblem, your gun culture and mentality towards them is.
All we'd need to happen is have some messianic figure like Donald Trump tell people to stop fetishizing their guns and people would listen. This is the dude who said he wanted to seize guns now and worry about due process later and Rs still love him.

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Prestoff
05/24/22 7:49:40 PM
#341:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


Damn, I feel for the families and friends of those victims. I remember it was a huge blow to us when our Aunt was shot by teens who were attempting to do a burglary at a super market. It just happens so sudden, I just wanted to beat up those fucking teens. I learned that the teens were all orphans and ran away from foster care and I know our aunt wouldn't want anything bad to happen to them because she was an orphan herself. I just hope those families and friends stay strong from these rough times.

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CyricZ
05/24/22 7:50:27 PM
#344:


ktownslayer16 posted...
Even if you got rid of the 2A today it would take 20 years to change the mindset towards guns. Your laws aren't your biggest roblem, your gun culture and mentality towards them is.
I'm fine with this.

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Dat_Cracka_Jax
05/24/22 7:51:14 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]



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g0ldie
05/24/22 7:51:49 PM
#346:


bluezero posted...
Death toll up to 18 children.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

damn, I only read some of the first page, so I was going off of the shooting not taking place in the school, and I wasn't expecting so many people to be shot (let alone killed).

RIP to them all; this is a tragedy.

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Zikten
05/24/22 7:52:23 PM
#347:


Conflict posted...
Not reading through 7 pages. Did the shooter off himself/get killed

Yes
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Tyranthraxus
05/24/22 7:52:36 PM
#348:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Yes

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HBKick18
05/24/22 7:53:23 PM
#349:


i don't even want to think about how abbott will spin this to blame anything but guns

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CableZL
05/24/22 7:53:36 PM
#350:


How long until the Alex Jones types start calling this a false flag and accuse the survivors of being crisis actors

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Dat_Cracka_Jax
05/24/22 7:56:37 PM
#353:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

"Did he cross the border illegally?"

How about actually fucking find out instead of just ass pulling. Fuck these disingenuous fuckheads

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Master Kazuya
05/24/22 7:56:50 PM
#354:


ktownslayer16 posted...
Even if you got rid of the 2A today it would take 20 years to change the mindset towards guns. Your laws aren't your biggest roblem, your gun culture and mentality towards them is.

Hm, mass killings forever, or mass killings for 20 years? I'll take 20 years.

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HBKick18
05/24/22 7:57:25 PM
#355:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

as soon as I read the name of the shooter, i knew people would jump to this gross conclusion

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crayola555
05/24/22 8:02:18 PM
#357:


ktownslayer16 posted...
Even if you got rid of the 2A today it would take 20 years to change the mindset towards guns. Your laws aren't your biggest roblem, your gun culture and mentality towards them is.

Dude, 20 years is a GODSEND if that's all it takes for change to appear. With the way things are going stalemate right now it would take literally forever for anything to happen.

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Prestoff
05/24/22 8:05:36 PM
#358:


CableZL posted...
How long until the Alex Jones types start calling this a false flag and accuse the survivors of being crisis actors

No, he will probably blame this on immigrants and why we still need the wall since the shooter isn't white.

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Shadow Don
05/24/22 8:06:02 PM
#359:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


And here it goes. Totally going to erase the obviously politically motivated Buffalo shooting because this shooter was not a white person.

Fucking gross.


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Unknown580
05/24/22 8:07:18 PM
#360:


Shadow Don posted...
And here it goes. Totally going to erase the obviously politically motivated Buffalo shooting because this shooter was not a white person.

Fucking gross.
Yep, if he's white he has a mental illness and a kid, if he's brown is he an illegal/gangbanger? If he's black he's a thug and a criminal
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