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Zikten
02/14/22 2:42:26 PM
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Sarah Connor was fucking badass as hell in Dark Fate though
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sevihaimerej
02/14/22 2:44:04 PM
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...
Almost forgot the other turd Terminator Dark Fate.
None of your examples work all that well, the only true examples of what you are describing thus far are Ghostbusters 2016 and the Charlie's Angels reboot. The problem wasn't necessarily entirely what you describe as "woke" decision making as it was that the actual content wasn't interesting or funny in the ways movies of their chosen genres need to be to remain compelling for the duration

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02/14/22 2:44:19 PM
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The most vocally bitchy are always the most annoying regardless of side, but the side that wants to stick to the original is generally correct regardless if they're being stupidly snotty about it or reasonably voicing their annoyance.
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Solar_Crimson
02/14/22 2:44:48 PM
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...
Star Trek Discovery, Kevin Smith He-Man, the woman Doctor Who, the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy.
It was already long established that Time Lords can regenerate into the opposite sex.
The original Star Trek gave a middle finger to racists by having the first on-air interracial kiss.

But this just reeks of "anything that's not straight White men is woke" whining.

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mech dragon
02/14/22 2:45:15 PM
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It's always the anti-SJW/anti-woke/"forced diversity sucks" crowd that are more annoying. Always.

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
02/14/22 2:46:49 PM
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Zikten posted...
Sarah Connor was fucking badass as hell in Dark Fate though
No she wasnt, she ranted about being bitter as fuck that she was mother of the future savior, calling herself just a womb and has all kinds of resentment.

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02/14/22 2:47:51 PM
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AmericaTheBrave posted...
Diversity should fit the setting.

If the story takes place in a fantasy world based on Medieval Europe, seeing anyone other than white people takes me out of it, unless a character is specifically from a foreign place. That used to be the way you could sneak in POC in fantasy settings (see Game of Thrones).

If a story takes place in downtown Chicago, then it makes sense for there to be diversity to reflect the demographics.

I wouldn't ask for white people to be in a fantasy movie/show that's based on Ancient China.
The key word here is "Based" on. Medieval Europe didn't have elves, dwarves and orcs either. It would also have been really sexist. There's no reason you can't have your swords and sorcery with castles fantasy have all sorts of things that weren't in Medieval Europe; because they already do.

If you're doing some story about a knight or something actually set during that time period on Earth that you want to be realistic, that's different. You could make an argument there; you'd have to have sources though, because there are a lot of people who know more about Medieval Europe than I do you'd have to convince. But even if you're right about Earth during the time, why would a black guy be a bridge too far when you can believe Dragons exist in Medieval Europe and it's also called Middle Earth and not Medieval Europe?

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Zikten
02/14/22 2:49:04 PM
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

No she wasnt, she ranted about being bitter as fuck that she was mother of the future savior, calling herself just a womb and has all kinds of resentment.

That was the new lady, not Sarah. They didn't replace Sarah. That movie had both Sarah and the new Hispanic woman who was pregnant. Did you watch the movie? Or just the trailer
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dioxxys
02/14/22 2:53:54 PM
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Oh yes because a fantasy race that stays mostly underground needs a lot of melanin in their skin to protect them from the harsh sun.... makes total sense

But that wasn't even people's first complaint you couldn't even just give the woman a beard.

Then having a subplot about a forbidden interracial relationship like this is 1960 lmao.

All on top of that they put out an article about gaslighting people "being racist" only a couple hours after their reveal almost like they just had it ready to begin with. Because insulting your fan base who just want a show consistent with the lore is the right thing to do.

I've seen this happen with countless other IPs and the same thing happens every time. Trying to make something woke ends up ruining it, it's terrible and no one likes it. Then the same thing happens again like nobody remembers it. Well this time it's different it's actually something I like for once.

Also it's funny how they seem to want to be so woke but then they forgot to not appeal to gender norms and gave all the male elves short hair
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ellis123
02/14/22 2:56:19 PM
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dioxxys posted...
All on top of that they put out an article about gaslighting people "being racist" only a couple hours after their reveal almost like they just had it ready to begin with. Because insulting your fan base who just want a show consistent with the lore is the right thing to do.
Lets test this theory. How many of the people who hate the LotR changes hated 300 because it had almost exclusively the wrong race for the cast?

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TheOtherMike
02/14/22 2:57:37 PM
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...
No she wasnt, she ranted about being bitter as fuck that she was mother of the future savior, calling herself just a womb and has all kinds of resentment.

You are grossly mischaracterizing that conversation, but it seems you need to twist reality to fit your narrative so that's not surprising.
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Questionmarktarius
02/14/22 2:58:01 PM
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ellis123 posted...
How many of the people who hate the LotR changes hated 300 because it had almost exclusively the wrong race for the cast?
or, you know, Gods of Egypt.

...or the granddaddy of them all, John Wayne as Genghis Khan.
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IShall_Run_Amok
02/14/22 2:59:53 PM
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...
The woke, sjw, and feminist crowd are always more annoying since they cant create something new they have to pervert, destroy, and ruin something already established.

RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...
Star Trek Discovery, Kevin Smith He-Man, the woman Doctor Who, the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy.
In addition, I'm pretty sure that none of these things were ever all white. Well, maybe Doctor Who, but probably not.

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dioxxys
02/14/22 3:00:42 PM
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ellis123 posted...
Lets test this theory. How many of the people who hate the LotR changes hated 300 because it had almost exclusively the wrong race for the cast?
I doubt it was a lot but it doesn't make sense within the fiction of the universe. Middle Earth isn't America.
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sevihaimerej
02/14/22 3:01:08 PM
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ellis123 posted...
Lets test this theory. How many of the people who hate the LotR changes hated 300 because it had almost exclusively the wrong race for the cast?
No human can answer that question.
Honestly I mean, people can of course lie and pretend they're omniscient or something

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MagnusX
02/14/22 3:04:19 PM
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NoxObscuras posted...
People who complain about the "wokeness" are far far more annoying.
Easily this. Fragile chuds.
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ellis123
02/14/22 3:08:46 PM
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dioxxys posted...
I doubt it was a lot but it doesn't make sense within the fiction of the universe. Middle Earth isn't America.
That brings up an interesting point: why aren't the people complaining about the original LotR as it doesn't use British actors? How many people hated Legolas in the original because of this wrongful casting?

sevihaimerej posted...
No human can answer that question.
Honestly I mean, people can of course lie and pretend they're omniscient or something
True but we can easily gauge the answer. All that has to be done is find out about how many people were complaining about the 300 back when it was new and see who was doing the complaining. We have the Internet, we have the technology.

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IndorilGawain
02/14/22 3:09:46 PM
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ellis123 posted...
That brings up an interesting point: why aren't the people complaining about the original LotR as it doesn't use British actors?
The issue has never actually been about perceived "authenticity." it's about white supremacy, plain and simple.

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ellis123
02/14/22 3:12:59 PM
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IndorilGawain posted...
The issue has never actually been about perceived "authenticity." it's about white supremacy, plain and simple.
That was the point.

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dioxxys
02/14/22 3:14:23 PM
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ellis123 posted...
That brings up an interesting point: why aren't the people complaining about the original LotR as it doesn't use British actors? How many people hated Legolas in the original because of this wrongful casting?
I mean that's not really something you can tell just by looking at somebody. I wouldn't know if somebody was from Britain or Ireland just by looking at them

IndorilGawain posted...
The issue has never actually been about perceived "authenticity." it's about white supremacy, plain and simple.
Whatever you keep telling yourself that and gaslighting people.

Meanwhile all you're doing is inventing racism where there is none and basically perpetuating race wars. Because that's how you solve racism
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IndorilGawain
02/14/22 3:16:12 PM
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Race wars

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sevihaimerej
02/14/22 3:17:25 PM
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ellis123 posted...
That brings up an interesting point: why aren't the people complaining about the original LotR as it doesn't use British actors? How many people hated Legolas in the original because of this wrongful casting?

True but we can easily gauge the answer. All that has to be done is find out about how many people were complaining about the 300 back when it was new and see who was doing the complaining. We have the Internet, we have the technology.
The internet is why the observable opinions seem to be so extreme, only those with extreme opinions bother arguing in comment sections of movie trailers or whatever. On the internet such extreme negativity is almost guaranteed attention because humans have a twisted addiction to such drama and yearn for ways to indulge without loss of social currency of the ideosphere they've been conditioned into

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ellis123
02/14/22 3:18:49 PM
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dioxxys posted...
I mean that's not really something you can tell just by looking at somebody. I wouldn't know if somebody was from Britain or Ireland just by looking at them
Do you think that I wouldn't change my sentence to include the Irish? Because it really wouldn't be that big of a deal to have Irish in the cast either. Same goes with the Scottish, Welsh, etc.


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NoMeLx22x
02/14/22 3:21:38 PM
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AmericaTheBrave posted...
If the story takes place in a fantasy world based on Medieval Europe, seeing anyone other than white people takes me out of it, unless a character is specifically from a foreign place. That used to be the way you could sneak in POC in fantasy settings (see Game of Thrones).


AmericaTheBrave posted...
Are you one of those types that argue Shakespeare was a black man?

This is up there for worst consecutive posts by a user of all time.

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What_
02/14/22 3:23:27 PM
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Sczoyd posted...
It was pretty rare to see anyone complaining that all the characters in LOTR were white, but now they put in a couple black characters in the upcoming series and you won't find a single comment section without people whining about it.

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lilORANG
02/14/22 3:27:06 PM
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It depends entirely on the situation

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uwnim
02/14/22 3:30:53 PM
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3PiesAndAFork posted...
Wheel of time.
The casting wasnt the issue with the wheel of time. (Okay, the actor for mat was an issue due to him bailing)

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AmericaTheBrave
02/14/22 3:41:42 PM
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IndorilGawain posted...
LMAO oh god, he thinks Shakespeare lived in the medieval period. Dude take the L before you embarrass yourself even further.

I did not imply that at all, but reading comprehension has never been your strong suit.

Solar_Crimson posted...
Are you trying to deny that medieval Europe had non-White people living there?

Like outside of Arab traders, the presence of non-whites in Europe was pretty negligible in the medieval era.

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IndorilGawain
02/14/22 3:44:37 PM
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AmericaTheBrave posted...
I did not imply that at all, but reading comprehension has never been your strong suit.

Like outside of Arab traders, the presence of non-whites in Europe was pretty negligible in the medieval era.
This is incorrect and im once again asking you to read a history book before spreading false and racist narratives

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sull56ivan2010
02/14/22 3:53:13 PM
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IndorilGawain posted...
This is incorrect and im once again asking you to read a history book before spreading false and racist narratives
Kid, are you looking to get banned quickly?

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Solar_Crimson
02/14/22 3:57:04 PM
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sull56ivan2010 posted...
Kid, are you looking to get banned quickly?
What's ban-worthy about what he said?

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IndorilGawain
02/14/22 3:57:50 PM
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sull56ivan2010 posted...
Kid, are you looking to get banned quickly?
Whose alt

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pauIie
02/14/22 3:58:13 PM
#86:


AmericaTheBrave posted...
If the story takes place in a fantasy world based on Medieval Europe, seeing anyone other than white people takes me out of it, unless a character is specifically from a foreign place.
because in your fantasy only white people exist

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sull56ivan2010
02/14/22 3:59:13 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
What's ban-worthy about what he said?
Nothing yet. Anyone who ups their active messages that quick is looking for trouble. I have a feeling he won't keep his mouth shut and get banned soon.

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IndorilGawain
02/14/22 4:02:56 PM
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IndorilGawain posted...
Whose alt


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dancing_cactuar
02/14/22 4:05:33 PM
#89:


Questionmarktarius posted...
or, you know, Gods of Egypt.

...or the granddaddy of them all, John Wayne as Genghis Khan.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/5/4/AAEhCpAAC7OG.jpg
Against race flipping unless the actor hired is really able to nail the role down on the money which 99% of the time they do not, whether they make people white like in Last Airbender, Gods of Egypt, or any of the live action adaptations of anime like Ghost in the Shell, or they change characters to be more diverse like the recent Macbeth where Denzel Washington as the titular character managed to score a best actor nomination despite speedrunning his dialogue for the majority of the film and being far inferior to other portrayals such as Ian Mckellen or even Michael Fassbender.

IndorilGawain posted...
Whose alt
Said the new user who in less than a week racked up 126 active posts.


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02/14/22 4:12:15 PM
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lol @ thinking Star Trek is 'becoming' woke.

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IndorilGawain
02/14/22 4:12:53 PM
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dancing_cactuar posted...
Against race flipping unless the actor hired is really able to nail the role down on the money which 99% of the time they do not, whether they make people white like in Last Airbender, Gods of Egypt, or any of the live action adaptations of anime like Ghost in the Shell, or they change characters to be more diverse like the recent Macbeth where Denzel Washington as the titular character managed to score a best actor nomination despite speedrunning his dialogue for the majority of the film and being far inferior to other portrayals such as Ian Mckellen or even Michael Fassbender.

Said the new user who in less than a week racked up 126 active posts.
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dioxxys
02/14/22 4:13:50 PM
#92:


pauIie posted...
because in your fantasy only white people exist
Like I wish people could be more than ankle deep when it comes to stuff like this. They got to go the route of anyone who doesn't like this is a white supremacist. Which is just gaslighting and stupid. There's plenty of stuff out there with people of all races as part of the continuity, lotr just isn't one of them. Not every show/movie has to look like a race rainbow. Sometimes everybody in a show or movie has all the same color skin and that's okay. I don't need white people or Spanish people in Black panther or squid game to enjoy it.
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AmericaTheBrave
02/14/22 4:15:05 PM
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IndorilGawain posted...
This is incorrect and im once again asking you to read a history book before spreading false and racist narratives

You're totally right, 1300 London was just as diverse and cosmopolitan as 2022 New York City.

pauIie posted...
because in your fantasy only white people exist

No, but I expect fantasies based on European mythology to reflect the culture. I do not want a blonde-haired blue-eyed Sun Wukong and I also don't want a Chinese Thor. It's an immersion thing. A window into a culture.

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IShall_Run_Amok
02/14/22 4:20:09 PM
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While Hollywood's practice of white people playing non-white roles is super cringe, I don't think that's the only problem with the Genghis Khan film.

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IndorilGawain
02/14/22 4:21:24 PM
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So now the goalposts have moved from there were no PoC to it wasnt exactly as diverse as modern NYC

shut the fuck up lmao

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dioxxys
02/14/22 4:35:46 PM
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...
While Hollywood's practice of white people playing non-white roles is super cringe, I don't think that's the only problem with the Genghis Khan film.
And of course anyone who takes a stance against that's kind of thing should always agree with this side too. White people are placing minorities I just can't think of any movies I enjoyed that did this
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dioxxys
02/14/22 4:36:39 PM
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AmericaTheBrave posted...
You're totally right, 1300 London was just as diverse and cosmopolitan as 2022 New York City.

No, but I expect fantasies based on European mythology to reflect the culture. I do not want a blonde-haired blue-eyed Sun Wukong and I also don't want a Chinese Thor. It's an immersion thing. A window into a culture.
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IndorilGawain
02/14/22 4:40:13 PM
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dioxxys posted...
Applause
Applause for your fellow poster who knows nothing about history?

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IShall_Run_Amok
02/14/22 4:41:33 PM
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dioxxys posted...
And of course anyone who takes a stance against that's kind of thing should always agree with this side too. White people are placing minorities I just can't think of any movies I enjoyed that did this
Disagreed. Most, if not all, instances of white characters being replaced by non-white characters range from inoffensive to generally good ideas.

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Southernfatman
02/14/22 4:43:19 PM
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While I'm a hardcore Tolkien fanboy who wants adaptations to be close to as being authentic to the source material as possible, having POC actors doesn't bother me at all. No it's not authentic to Tolkien's lore, but come TF on. Is it really that big of a betrayal? Get the hell over it.

I just hope I don't get lumped in with the bigots when I say I'm not really feeling the new show because it's not because of the actors.

As for the question, while the former can be annoying in certain instances, people complaining about POC actors are way more loud and annoying.

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ellis123
02/14/22 4:55:06 PM
#102:


Southernfatman posted...
While I'm a hardcore Tolkien fanboy who wants adaptations to be close to as being authentic to the source material as possible, having POC actors doesn't bother me at all. No it's not authentic to Tolkien's lore, but come TF on. Is it really that big of a betrayal? Get the hell over it.
But can you imagine having a race that was explicitly made up of people of Jewish decent? There would be so many "((("'s that the character count of posts here would end up tripling for some people.

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