Current Events > When the source material is all white characters, who's more annoying?

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EndOfDiscOne
02/14/22 1:27:28 PM
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?????


Which is worse?

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IShall_Run_Amok
02/14/22 1:30:04 PM
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The latter, for sure. They pretty much dominate the broader discussion about these sorts of things. The former is practically hypothetical by comparison.

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NoxObscuras
02/14/22 1:32:24 PM
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People who complain about the "wokeness" are far far more annoying.

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Sczoyd
02/14/22 1:32:41 PM
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It was pretty rare to see anyone complaining that all the characters in LOTR were white, but now they put in a couple black characters in the upcoming series and you won't find a single comment section without people whining about it.

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EmbraceOfDeath
02/14/22 1:33:50 PM
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People who complain about lack of diversity. The other side at least has a point because the characters are being changed for no relevant reason. The people who complain about lack of diversity have no point.

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IndorilGawain
02/14/22 1:35:21 PM
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The racists, always

EmbraceOfDeath posted...
People who complain about lack of diversity. The other side at least has a point because the characters are being changed for no relevant reason. The people who complain about lack of diversity have no point.
Shut the fuck up

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FortuneCookie
02/14/22 1:36:28 PM
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If your story was written in the pre-Civil Rights era, and the cast is all white, they're gonna diversify it. Deal with it.
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Funkydog
02/14/22 1:36:52 PM
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Easily the latter.

The characters/races being white is 99.99999999999999999999999% of the time utterly irrelevant and nothing is changed by diversifying it.

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Background_Guy
02/14/22 1:37:18 PM
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Only like 3 people complained about the LOTR and hobbit movies being all-white

Now, go anywhere where people are discussing the new show and you'll see people angry about the Black elves
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RetsuZaiZen
02/14/22 1:38:15 PM
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NoxObscuras posted...
People who complain about the "wokeness" are far far more annoying.

Definitely. Literally anything other than straight white males is "woke" to idiots.

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Shablagoo
02/14/22 1:38:41 PM
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...
The latter, for sure. They pretty much dominate the broader discussion about these sorts of things. The former is practically hypothetical by comparison.

Yeah I was gonna say, I cant even think of an example.

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Smackems
02/14/22 1:39:17 PM
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The former

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KeeperOfShadows
02/14/22 1:39:31 PM
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The latter usually, but the former have their moments.

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sevihaimerej
02/14/22 1:39:48 PM
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Odd that you separate them by ideology, they are different heads of the same whiny entitled hydra they just speak different "languages" because they're from different "countries"

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TheOtherMike
02/14/22 1:40:30 PM
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EmbraceOfDeath posted...
People who complain about lack of diversity. The other side at least has a point because the characters are being changed for no relevant reason. The people who complain about lack of diversity have no point.

Literally every word of this post is objectively wrong. Impressive.
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AmericaTheBrave
02/14/22 1:41:17 PM
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Diversity should fit the setting.

If the story takes place in a fantasy world based on Medieval Europe, seeing anyone other than white people takes me out of it, unless a character is specifically from a foreign place. That used to be the way you could sneak in POC in fantasy settings (see Game of Thrones).

If a story takes place in downtown Chicago, then it makes sense for there to be diversity to reflect the demographics.

I wouldn't ask for white people to be in a fantasy movie/show that's based on Ancient China.

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GameGodOfAll
02/14/22 1:42:26 PM
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NoxObscuras posted...
People who complain about the "wokeness" are far far more annoying.
Always.

It's the same thing as SJWs being less awful by comparison to ant-SJWs. It's really lose lose.

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Ratchetrockon
02/14/22 1:42:37 PM
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Latter. I watch some gaming related streams and see people chat about wokeness sometimes. Havent seen the opposite occur.

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Solar_Crimson
02/14/22 1:43:11 PM
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NoxObscuras posted...
People who complain about the "wokeness" are far far more annoying.


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TheGoldenEel
02/14/22 1:45:34 PM
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Whos more annoying, people who are anti-racist, or people who are racist

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Glob
02/14/22 1:45:48 PM
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Funkydog posted...
Easily the latter.

The characters/races being white is 99.99999999999999999999999% of the time utterly irrelevant and nothing is changed by diversifying it.

This.

There's the occasional time where a race change doesn't make sense within the story because race is a factor in the source material. This is rare though.
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IndorilGawain
02/14/22 1:45:54 PM
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sevihaimerej posted...
Odd that you separate them by ideology, they are different heads of the same whiny entitled hydra they just speak different "languages" because they're from different "countries"
What lmao

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Machete
02/14/22 1:46:01 PM
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People who complain about "wokeness" have never been able to contribute anything useful, meaningful or reality-based in any discussion from what I've seen.

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IndorilGawain
02/14/22 1:48:07 PM
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AmericaTheBrave posted...
If the story takes place in a fantasy world based on Medieval Europe, seeing anyone other than white people takes me out of it, unless a character is specifically from a foreign place. That used to be the way you could sneak in POC in fantasy settings (see Game of Thrones).
Not only is this a bullshit excuse because Middle Earth is not medieval Europe, but it's a bullshit excuse because there were plenty of POC in medieval Europe. Fucking open a history book before shitposting.

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IndorilGawain
02/14/22 1:51:52 PM
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IndorilGawain posted...
Not only is this a bullshit excuse because Middle Earth is not medieval Europe, but it's a bullshit excuse because there were plenty of POC in medieval Europe. Fucking open a history book before shitposting.
To add onto this, you know what medieval Europe didn't have? Potatoes. But you don't see the "I just want it to be accurate" people crying about those.

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AmericaTheBrave
02/14/22 1:52:19 PM
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IndorilGawain posted...
Not only is this a bullshit excuse because Middle Earth is not medieval Europe, but it's a bullshit excuse because there were plenty of POC in medieval Europe. Fucking open a history book before shitposting.

Are you one of those types that argue Shakespeare was a black man?

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IndorilGawain
02/14/22 1:52:53 PM
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AmericaTheBrave posted...
Are you one of those types that argue Shakespeare was a black man?
LMAO oh god, he thinks Shakespeare lived in the medieval period. Dude take the L before you embarrass yourself even further.

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Solar_Crimson
02/14/22 1:59:02 PM
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AmericaTheBrave posted...
Are you one of those types that argue Shakespeare was a black man?
...What.

Are you trying to deny that medieval Europe had non-White people living there?

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ultimate reaver
02/14/22 2:03:12 PM
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both are really annoying and the argument is almost invariably pointless, but the people complaining about the presence of diversity are always way more obnoxious and stupid

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IndorilGawain
02/14/22 2:11:02 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
...What.

Are you trying to deny that medieval Europe had non-White people living there?
Its a very common fantasy among the right

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gatorsPENSbucs
02/14/22 2:15:34 PM
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Both are extremely annoying but anytime someone uses the word woke theyre automatically more annoying.

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SSJPurple
02/14/22 2:17:23 PM
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Honestly theyre both obnoxious as s***.


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FortuneCookie
02/14/22 2:20:17 PM
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...
Both are extremely annoying but anytime someone uses the word woke theyre automatically more annoying.

Using woke straight or derisively?
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BettyWhite
02/14/22 2:23:12 PM
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Outright changing an established character can be a bit jarring, but just needs a bit of an adjustment period.

I've never been one to care either way. Though the latter is certainly more vocally annoying. The former usually presents in isolated articles or comments where I understand the desire for representation.

I only find myself annoyed when the woke white people squad has rushed into the comments to combat the crying conservatives.

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
02/14/22 2:23:41 PM
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The woke, sjw, and feminist crowd are always more annoying since they cant create something new they have to pervert, destroy, and ruin something already established.

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IndorilGawain
02/14/22 2:24:42 PM
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...
The woke, sjw, and feminist crowd are always more annoying since they cant create something new they have to pervert, destroy, and ruin something already established.
*loud wet fart noise*

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IShall_Run_Amok
02/14/22 2:26:57 PM
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...
The woke, sjw, and feminist crowd are always more annoying since they cant create something new they have to pervert, destroy, and ruin something already established.
This is exhibit A for option B.

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FortuneCookie
02/14/22 2:27:09 PM
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Inclusion is perversion?
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GameGodOfAll
02/14/22 2:27:24 PM
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...
pervert, destroy, and ruin
Got some examples of this pal?

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Zikten
02/14/22 2:28:07 PM
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It's always on a case by case basis. Like with black Spider-Man, they didn't actually replace Peter Parker. So that's fine.
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McMarbles
02/14/22 2:29:09 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
Using woke straight or derisively?
Does anyone really use the word "woke" straight anymore?

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sevihaimerej
02/14/22 2:30:41 PM
#43:


IndorilGawain posted...
What lmao
These 2 groups being described are more similar than they are different, I see the dichotomy more as: -people who leave artists tf alone and let them make what they want to make vs the aforementioned whiny entitled assholes.

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
02/14/22 2:30:53 PM
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GameGodOfAll posted...
Got some examples of this pal?
Star Trek Discovery, Kevin Smith He-Man, the woman Doctor Who, the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy.

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IShall_Run_Amok
02/14/22 2:32:44 PM
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...
Star Trek Discovery, Kevin Smith He-Man, the woman Doctor Who, the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy.
The second and latter aren't anywhere near "woke" in any sense, and some of the best and most successful (respectively) things produced in their franchises.

Which, you know, is what one expects when someone contains about "wokeness".

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Questionmarktarius
02/14/22 2:34:40 PM
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...
Kevin Smith He-Man
Two characters that only ever appeared in comic books nobody remembers.
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TheOtherMike
02/14/22 2:35:37 PM
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...
Star Trek Discovery, Kevin Smith He-Man, the woman Doctor Who, the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy.

Star Trek has literally always been "woke." Whitaker's Doctor Who being bad is an example of bad writing, and is no more "woke" than previous Who (and arguably less woke than Capaldi's run). Tell me you don't watch these franchises without telling me you don't watch these franchises.
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ellis123
02/14/22 2:35:44 PM
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...
The second and latter aren't anywhere near "woke" in any sense, and some of the best and most successful (respectively) things produced in their franchises.
Frankly his commentary is pretty woke as all of those were changed for the sake of perceived increases in money. As in capitalism.

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
02/14/22 2:36:08 PM
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Almost forgot the other turd Terminator Dark Fate.

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3PiesAndAFork
02/14/22 2:37:19 PM
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...
Star Trek Discovery, Kevin Smith He-Man, the woman Doctor Who, the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy.
Wheel of time.

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Questionmarktarius
02/14/22 2:39:56 PM
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Pretty much every Watership Down adaptation sticks female VAs into the initial group of rabbits for some reason, which largely invalidates the very reason for the back half.

...also there's inevitably a "boat" scene, because "water ship" is in the title, right?
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