Board 8 > Final Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 4: Past the Far Edge of Fate

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masterplum posted...

But I like staying on Isquen because I think isquen is insta dead as town as the last 2 scum kill him

What?

MZero posted...

##Vote: Mike

why in the world would i answer this

Because if it's a one time use you're very likely scum. What is the benefit of keeping it a secret?

MikeTavish posted...

Because if it's a one time use you're very likely scum. What is the benefit of keeping it a secret?

Think about this for half a second

I'm going to spoil something for you guys: It was one time use.

If the game ends and we find out its multi-use I'll be shocked. Alignment be damned.

masterplum posted...

Think about this for half a second

My logic is this: If it's one time use, he's probably scum scared of revealing that info. If it's multi use, he's basically confirmed town and scum can't risk shooting him because he could just commute during the night and ruin the night kill for scum. This is the case whether he reveals the info or not, so again, what is the benefit to not telling us?

red13n posted...

I'm going to spoil something for you guys: It was one time use.

If the game ends and we find out its multi-use I'll be shocked. Alignment be damned.

Granted, it's obviously been a long time since I've played mafia, but are commuters usually one time use regardless of alignment?

MikeTavish posted...

A...Are Mzero and Plum scum together? I really don't know why my logic is being questioned. Am I speaking a different language here?

Yeah you're speaking scum

MikeTavish posted...

My logic is this: If it's one time use, he's probably scum scared of revealing that info. If it's multi use, he's basically confirmed town and scum can't risk shooting him because he could just commute during the night and ruin the night kill for scum. This is the case whether he reveals the info or not, so again, what is the benefit to not telling us?

You're literally asking me to tell scun if they can NK me or not

That's not what I'm asking and you know it, but that's fine. I'm keeping my vote where it is.

Mzero just keeps on getting more sus.

Along with Mike

What's up Tidus? Think we're both scum somehow? Explain your thoughts if you please.

I know one of you is probably scum, Mike, you seem to be figuring out if you can NK Mzero or not, Mzero, you seem to not want to reveal more of your role

I don't think both of you are scum, the other is probably red or isquen, not sure about plum after his last few posts, he seemed fine until now though, so he is likely town, but the possibility arises

Also, could you potentially be winning with the mafia rather than the town? I guess that is what everyone thinks is the possibility, considering your transformation requires anti-town shenanigans

Oh Tidus

TidusOfTheX posted...

I know one of you is probably scum, Mike, you seem to be figuring out if you can NK Mzero or not, Mzero, you seem to not want to reveal more of your role

That's absolutely not what I'm trying to figure out.

Follow my logic: I know I am a Bulletproof Scanner hoping to help town win. Mzero comes in today, doesn't claim a scan but forces a claim from Red. Mzero starts getting some pressure and after a while "comes clean" saying he has a scan as well and that he scanned a dead guy and Red (and not me for the reason given of "you already claimed third party") which makes very little sense considering I still claimed third party and half the game has been twitching with distrust that I've been lying about my flavour the whole time.

All he's done since then is the easiest play available. Countervoting me and saying I'm "talking like scum". This despite the fact that I've given very clear logic for every thought I've had.

Basically though, if he's legit, this means town has two scanners with protection attached (and Chris who ALSO had a scan role). I don't believe Mzero can be town here, just seems like too damn much from this side of things.

Also, sorry for these slow responses. I'm typing this between raid wipes.

You basically forced town to lynch the BP and now you're trying to lynch the commuter

But ya your town

And knowing if my commute is multi use or one use only helps scum

MZero posted...

And knowing if my commute is multi use or one use only helps scum

IF you're town, you're right. I just don't think you're town. Also I dunno what kinda narrative you're trying to spin but I absolutely did not force town to lynch the BP. I spent the first half of the day accepting my death and only changed my mind when Red or Plum (I forget which) told me I was playing to lose, which was true.

I didn't KNOW Ulti was Town BP, I only knew he was WoL. Everyone chose to lynch Ulti over me, it wasn't what I expected to happen by any means, but I'm making the most of it. I confirmed Town Chris before he got shot, I confirmed Isquen town today (barring Godfather shenanigans), and if they don't block me today, we know I'll have another scan coming tomorrow.

I'm not saying we have to lynch you today because I'm curious what you do when you're forced to "scan" someone again tonight, but from where I'm sitting, all the evidence points to you lying.

Very concerned by how split we are as a town right now.

Hey Tidus, you say one of Mzero and I are scum along with "probably Red or Isquen" yet your vote is on Isquen which makes it seem like you think he's the most likely scum. Is he the person you think is most likely to be scum right now, then?

That means you think he is a Godfather on top of Scare who was also capable of scanning innocent with his ability?

MikeTavish posted...

Very concerned by how split we are as a town right now.

Hey Tidus, you say one of Mzero and I are scum along with "probably Red or Isquen" yet your vote is on Isquen which makes it seem like you think he's the most likely scum. Is he the person you think is most likely to be scum right now, then?

That means you think he is a Godfather on top of Scare who was also capable of scanning innocent with his ability?

I forgot that my vote was still on isquen when we were discussing this, but yeah, still a potential godfather.

##Unvote

i don't know which of you two to vote yet, so leaving it unvoted for now

my order of susness, from highest to lowest:

1. Mzero and Mike
2. Isquen
3. Red
4. Plum

We dead

MikeTavish posted...

Granted, it's obviously been a long time since I've played mafia, but are commuters usually one time use regardless of alignment?

If hes scum hes likely just scum jack and cant commute again. It would be broken.
If hes town, turned into a scanner, and can commute again hes broken.

He had an opportunity to commute again if he had it in pocket instead of dying and didn't do it.

Its pretty safe to assume he cant commute again at this point.

Plum, you agreed yesterday that a power such as the one MZero's displayed could feasibly be a scum power that has limitations on it's use.

You're now adopting a very hard stance of "MZero cannot possibly be scum with the power he's claimed".

Why such a strong change in stance?

red13n posted...

He had an opportunity to commute again if he had it in pocket instead of dying and didn't do it.

I can't scan if I commute

I'm essentially playing a game of chicken with scum. They have to decide whether to block/kill me knowing it'll be wasted if I dip out

MikeTavish posted...

IF you're town, you're right. I just don't think you're town. Also I dunno what kinda narrative you're trying to spin but I absolutely did not force town to lynch the BP. I spent the first half of the day accepting my death and only changed my mind when Red or Plum (I forget which) told me I was playing to lose, which was true.

I didn't KNOW Ulti was Town BP, I only knew he was WoL. Everyone chose to lynch Ulti over me, it wasn't what I expected to happen by any means, but I'm making the most of it. I confirmed Town Chris before he got shot, I confirmed Isquen town today (barring Godfather shenanigans), and if they don't block me today, we know I'll have another scan coming tomorrow.

I'm not saying we have to lynch you today because I'm curious what you do when you're forced to "scan" someone again tonight, but from where I'm sitting, all the evidence points to you lying.

The general consensus was that Ulti was lying about being BP, this much is true.

MZero posted...

I'm essentially playing a game of chicken with scum. They have to decide whether to block/kill me knowing it'll be wasted if I dip out

I admire your conviction Mzero

Crescent-Moon posted...

Plum, you agreed yesterday that a power such as the one MZero's displayed could feasibly be a scum power that has limitations on it's use.

You're now adopting a very hard stance of "MZero cannot possibly be scum with the power he's claimed".

Why such a strong change in stance?

Scare flipped scum. Mzero railed against him. It's a total package.

And the arguments against him are some of the most asinine I have ever seen

Scum red over here is actually arguing he should have commuted over not scanning.

I mean, right argue mzero is scum is to argue that his plan was to bus scare from post one on day 3 in a game scum was tearing up where there were several interesting alternatives that could have been pushed.

That's just not feasible guys

Or to put it another way, I would lynch every other player on this player list before mzero

Thank you plum for being a voice of reason

Also you were apparently the only one that knew I scanned Scare yesterday and no one listened to you

masterplum posted...

I mean, right argue mzero is scum is to argue that his plan was to bus scare from post one on day 3 in a game scum was tearing up where there were several interesting alternatives that could have been pushed.

That's just not feasible guys

This all sounds fair, yes.

Another interesting thing to note is that no one has really tried to lynch Mike since day 2 when it would be very easy for scum to take a hard "lynch all 3rd parties" stance and avoid doing anything

Mike/Isquen scum team and they faked the scan to clear him? And they killed Chris to make Mike's scan look more believable? Hmmmm

Scare was doing nothing and had hammered the day before. It's not impossible that the plan was for Mzero to bus him to look great but you're right, I just read back through Mzero's day 3 and I'm not ready to jump into that conspiracy just yet. I am also curious to see what Mzero does tonight so I'll give it another day and we'll see where we land tomorrow.

##Unvote
##Vote: Tidus

On to the next most likely scum IMO. Even when you give an opinion I feel like you hedge every single time with a "it's this or the complete opposite" type of comment to make sure you leave your options open and I think it's late enough in the game now where you should have a little conviction in your choices.

What's your reasoning for Plum being at the bottom of your sus list, Tidus? He hasn't claimed anything but Roleblocked multiple nights and hasn't really done anything worth noting. I need to read back on him myself tbh but maybe you can save me some time and explain why he's so townie to you.

MikeTavish posted...

Scare was doing nothing and had hammered the day before. It's not impossible that the plan was for Mzero to bus him to look great but you're right, I just read back through Mzero's day 3 and I'm not ready to jump into that conspiracy just yet. I am also curious to see what Mzero does tonight so I'll give it another day and we'll see where we land tomorrow.

##Unvote
##Vote: Tidus

On to the next most likely scum IMO. Even when you give an opinion I feel like you hedge every single time with a "it's this or the complete opposite" type of comment to make sure you leave your options open and I think it's late enough in the game now where you should have a little conviction in your choices.

What's your reasoning for Plum being at the bottom of your sus list, Tidus? He hasn't claimed anything but Roleblocked multiple nights and hasn't really done anything worth noting. I need to read back on him myself tbh but maybe you can save me some time and explain why he's so townie to you.

This is... Actually easy to answer, but I want to see Tidus answer it himself.

MZero posted...

Another interesting thing to note is that no one has really tried to lynch Mike since day 2 when it would be very easy for scum to take a hard "lynch all 3rd parties" stance and avoid doing anything

Mike/Isquen scum team and they faked the scan to clear him? And they killed Chris to make Mike's scan look more believable? Hmmmm

In fairness, Scare was -2 almost as soon as yesterday started, and he rolled over and died. Nothing really happened yesterday.

MZero posted...

Another interesting thing to note is that no one has really tried to lynch Mike since day 2 when it would be very easy for scum to take a hard "lynch all 3rd parties" stance and avoid doing anything

Mike/Isquen scum team and they faked the scan to clear him? And they killed Chris to make Mike's scan look more believable? Hmmmm

Read my conversation with Scare near the end of day 3. You thinking we planned that whole conversation to make me look better?

I mean, it's possible I guess but it's a hell of a gambit for me to bus the shit out of one team member to scan another one innocent when we all know if I get lynched (which, I'm 3rd party, I don't expect to last to the end of the game) and flip scum, Isquen immediately becomes public enemy #1.

I can't take anything that happened day end of day 3 seriously when a few of us tried to engage with Scare and he barely did anything.

MikeTavish posted...

Scare was doing nothing and had hammered the day before. It's not impossible that the plan was for Mzero to bus him to look great but you're right, I just read back through Mzero's day 3 and I'm not ready to jump into that conspiracy just yet. I am also curious to see what Mzero does tonight so I'll give it another day and we'll see where we land tomorrow.

##Unvote
##Vote: Tidus

On to the next most likely scum IMO. Even when you give an opinion I feel like you hedge every single time with a "it's this or the complete opposite" type of comment to make sure you leave your options open and I think it's late enough in the game now where you should have a little conviction in your choices.

What's your reasoning for Plum being at the bottom of your sus list, Tidus? He hasn't claimed anything but Roleblocked multiple nights and hasn't really done anything worth noting. I need to read back on him myself tbh but maybe you can save me some time and explain why he's so townie to you.

didn't chris already almost clear him? It's just the last few posts that made me a bit sus of him

Close enough.

Chris claimed that someone targeted Plum night 1, no one has claimed it, and Plum claimed RBed that night.

MikeTavish posted...

Read my conversation with Scare near the end of day 3. You thinking we planned that whole conversation to make me look better?

I mean, it's possible I guess but it's a hell of a gambit for me to bus the shit out of one team member to scan another one innocent when we all know if I get lynched (which, I'm 3rd party, I don't expect to last to the end of the game) and flip scum, Isquen immediately becomes public enemy #1.

I'll go back an reread it after work

I don't think you flipping scum would make Isquen look bad, considering you claimed a scan on Chris and he flipped town already

MikeTavish posted...

Hi Scare, what do you think about all the claims? Surely you realize after all of this that you coming in and saying nothing but "hello" just makes you look worse?

Fastbreak posted...

It took two hellos to get people to respond. I mentioned yesterday no one has actually engaged me this proves that point that no one actually cares to read me, they would rather make up their own story based on my role

MikeTavish posted...

What do you think of Chris and Isquen claiming the exact same power?

ScareChan posted...

If scum knew what was going on already Chris could have got out in front of it and claimed it first looking for more confusion. I'm wary of Chris being alive this long

that said Isquen hasn't really stood out to me. He seems to always come around late and respond to something just enough to seem town, but not actually do anything.

MikeTavish posted...

So did you miss my inno scan on Chris or are you ignoring that entirely?

ScareChan posted...

Your scan means less than nothing to me. You're a third party that magically got a scan by killing town, none of that jives

MikeTavish posted...

Fair enough. Thank you for actually responding to some things.

ScareChan posted...

##Vote: Mike

May as well have a vote down

Convenient that Ulti never came around to say anything, except for things that were easily bullshitable

nice play Mike

This is the full exchange, so you don't have to look it up later.

Annnnd moving it to wordpad made that ugly as hell wow.

It is kinda interesting that that's about all Scare did yesterday

MZero posted...

It is kinda interesting that that's about all Scare did yesterday

Fastbreak posted... I'm not home.

I don't know if I would have done much more if I was home though considering no one has actually tried to engage with me, they're just metaing my flavor

Crescent-Moon posted...

Actually I'd say you're not engaging with anyone else, and your flavor claim is not why people are voting you.

This was just your 4th post since your claim. You have presented no arguments for lynching anyone else, nothing substantial as to why we should think you are town, and the day has pretty much died as a result.

MZero posted...

Scare why did you say "looks like mass" when you were the only one being pressured to claim and no one was suggesting mass

This was after the first time Scare complained he was only being lynched on flavor and no one was talking with him.

Scare didn't post again for 15 hours after this.

Comes back with

ScareChan posted... hello

Useless. And it gets ignored.

Then Fastbreak posted... Hello again

About an hour and a half later. Chris says hi, Mike immediately engages, and Scare actually responds this time, but doesn't engage with anyone but Mike.

This is about sums up Scare.

I'll be honest, after that exchange I was actually a little scared he would flip town. It was more than I'd seen from him all game. If he pushed like that the whole day instead of just at the end he very well may have convinced me to move.

But basically, I think it's hard to WIFOM the actions of a scum who effectively rolled over and died, only to pretend to try near the end of the day.

Also good to know Tidus is paying attention at least. Unfortunately he could just as easily be town or scum paying attention. The way he has moved on and off votes at a whim all game strikes me, often with no comment attached.

I'm not sure if he's town who just doesn't know what to do with himself, or scum following the lead of his team. I'm leaning scum at this point, mainly because Crescent/Plum are at the bottom of my list, Mzero and Red will resolve themselves a little more after another night of actions, and Isquen has an Inno scan and I'm not ready to jump into the Godfather pit after Scare already flipped a Godfather'ish role.

Explain why we shouldn't lynch you today, Tidus. Tell us what you think about everyone.

Honestly we've had a lot of dumb roletalk and some individual suspicions, but I'm really interested in who people think are the pairs of scum.

I would wager theres a decent chance of 2 scum and maybe a(nother) third party left. I'm really only concerned with the two scum, tbh. Theres of course the non-zero chance Tavish is Zenos but I just don't care to walk down that rabbit hole right now.