Board 8 > Final Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 4: Past the Far Edge of Fate

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Also, speaking of Isquen, he hasn't done a damn thing since changing his claim.

you guys should have just lynched him Day 2 >_>

Mike that is

Crescent-Moon posted...

Problem is if he's cult leader, then we won't have a final 3 to lynch him in.

This is all some rather farfetched theory crafting, and it effectively requires Red to be town.

And like I said, if he is cult leader then good game. I'm not entertaining that possibility

MZero posted...

you guys should have just lynched him Day 2 >_>

I probably should've just soft claimed day 2.

I was waffling on it all day and didn't expect Ulti to suddenly die. I listened to all the damned flavor meta and let it get me paranoid. Has all this flavor meta actually done us any good?

##Vote:Isquen

Though decent chance scum knew mzeros role and red claimed his real flavor. I really think it's those 2

Also I still think Mike's role is incredibly dumb forcing no scum to be lynched

masterplum posted...

And like I said, if he is cult leader then good game. I'm not entertaining that possibility

I'm finding it very hard to believe both Mike and MZero's fully claimed roles can co-exist as town, especially with a dead BP already.

The cult want meant for serious discussion holy crap. It was just the most outlandish thing that had been in my mind as the game was going.

Leafeon13N posted...

The cult want meant for serious discussion holy crap. It was just the most outlandish thing that had been in my mind as the game was going.

The crux isn't on cult recruiter though.

Ulti's flavor mentioned Zenos "stripping" him of Bulletproof, Mike is claimed 3P who said he could "take Ulti's power", and his claim directly conflicts with MZero powerwise.

UltimaterializerX posted... Is your flavor Zenos by chance?

Also, Ulti directly asks Mike if he is Zenos on day 2, when Mike hints at a role related to his.

Banana fears Mike is Zenos, and metas the setup as 3 scum with a Zenos third party, and thinks we should lynch him to be safe.

banananor posted... i do think we have to vote for tavish, in the off chance that he is zenos. zenos winning his duel against the derplander would be very bad

Ulti late in the day still thinks Mike is Zenos, but he does call him "a town flavor trap".

UltimaterializerX posted... I have been very consistent in thinking youre Zenos, a town flavor trap. If youre implying anything beyond that, Im very confused.

There actually wasn't as much Zenos talk day 2 as I thought there was.

Ultimately Plum, I feel like we're missing something about the bigger picture here.

I don't think Mike and MZero are both town. Full stop. MZero should've demanded an STC with Red. Instead, MZero claimed several hours later, and, if Red is town, gave us no information at all. Scare claimed he took "Warrior of Light" night 2 into day 3, and Red had just claimed Mother Porxie a few hours previously. Mike's scans are somewhat ambiguous, and the whole "BP who claimed 3P thing" is still in the air.

Now let's take this one step further: If you believe MZero is town, you have believe that Red is either Mother Porxie as scum, or has a scum role that can mess with flavor scans on him. You haven't made any such argument for either.

masterplum posted...

##Vote:Isquen

Though decent chance scum knew mzeros role and red claimed his real flavor. I really think it's those 2

Yeah I'm thinking we should vote Isquen too. Like I said before, if Isquen is a town, and not a godfather, it is definitely one of those two, if not both. They look fine so far though.

Leafeon13N posted...

Scare scans as town, that is what godfather does.

That's a thing?

And I haven't said a thing because I was sleeping, you goober, and now I'm getting ready for work.

Mzero, really, with the "flavor scan" thing? What's next, the dead banana twins walk out of plum's locked house because plum has corpse scanning that also gets to revive on scan?

...that actually sounds like an Emet-Selch ability and Mzero *did* die night one. Which would make Mzero scum aligned too.

Tidus is never throwing any suspicion Crescent's way, and the more she throws at me, the more I'm convinced to vote her out of spite.

##unvote
##vote: Tidus

So I'll get her underling instead.

Oops, didn't bold.

##unvote
##vote: Tidus

Crescent-Moon posted...

Ultimately Plum, I feel like we're missing something about the bigger picture here.

I don't think Mike and MZero are both town.

You're right

Mike is 3rd party

MZero posted...

You're right

Mike is 3rd party

Turned town

I don't think anyone has openly sussed me since the start of day 2.

TidusOfTheX posted...

Turned town

So he claims.

Crescent-Moon posted...

I don't think anyone has openly sussed me since the start of day 2.

Well then, you should feel honored, Luigi, and I anxiously await you winning by doing absolutely nothing.

Side note: There is a chance isquen and Tidus are bussing each other, but them both being scum feels WAY too easy here to be right.

Isquen posted...

Well then, you should feel honored, Luigi, and I anxiously await you winning by doing absolutely nothing.

I think we found where Ulti went.

Almost none of Isquen's posts make sense to me

MZero posted...

Almost none of Isquen's posts make sense to me

I think Isquen just accused you, Tidus, and myself, of all being scum together?

Just woke up. Got raid in a bit and have stuff to do beforehand but quickly skimmed through and want to get my quick thoughts down.

I don't buy Mzero having the ability to both dodge kills during the night AND have a multiple use flavour scan. Not when combined with my Bulletproof + Scan. One of us has to be anti-town and I know I'm not sooooo...

##Vote: Mzero

These votes are all over the place now...

MikeTavish posted...

Just woke up. Got raid in a bit and have stuff to do beforehand but quickly skimmed through and want to get my quick thoughts down.

I don't buy Mzero having the ability to both dodge kills during the night AND have a multiple use flavour scan. Not when combined with my Bulletproof + Scan. One of us has to be anti-town and I know I'm not sooooo...

##Vote: Mzero

Mzero is not scum. His role would be banned as scum and commuter/scanner is a normal role

masterplum posted...

Mzero is not scum. His role would be banned as scum and commuter/scanner is a normal role

Plum i am going to preface this by saying i am not advocating lynching mzero, but how are you getting to the point it would be a banned role?

Scum who can leave the game for one day would be banned? Why?

Also in what universe does a flavour scanner not scan the claimed third party bulletproof cop to prove whether I'm bs'ing y'all or not? Especially when half the game has been coming in with conspiracy theories of me being Zenos as an SK, Zenos as a cult leader, Zenos as a chef of a fancy restaurant...

Seems like an easy way to prove I'm on town's side (at least come as close as we can get to proving it) yet two nights in a row you decided to go after other people. Why?

Leafeon13N posted...

Plum i am going to preface this by saying i am not advocating lynching mzero, but how are you getting to the point it would be a banned role?

Think about the optimal way to play this role as scum. You activate the faux janitor when you are the last scum left. You could have the result be a day where there are zero scum. You can't put a town in that situation where no matter who they lynch its a mislynch

MikeTavish posted...

Also in what universe does a flavour scanner not scan the claimed third party bulletproof cop to prove whether I'm bs'ing y'all or not? Especially when half the game has been coming in with conspiracy theories of me being Zenos as an SK, Zenos as a cult leader, Zenos as a chef of a fancy restaurant...

Seems like an easy way to prove I'm on town's side (at least come as close as we can get to proving it) yet two nights in a row you decided to go after other people. Why?

Because.... you are already claimed third party who was probably telling the truth? Why would you get flavor scanned?

masterplum posted...

Think about the optimal way to play this role as scum. You activate the faux janitor when you are the last scum left. You could have the result be a day where there are zero scum. You can't put a town in that situation where no matter who they lynch its a mislynch

Think about this a little harder plum. You are almost there.

MikeTavish posted...

Also in what universe does a flavour scanner not scan the claimed third party bulletproof cop to prove whether I'm bs'ing y'all or not? Especially when half the game has been coming in with conspiracy theories of me being Zenos as an SK, Zenos as a cult leader, Zenos as a chef of a fancy restaurant...

Seems like an easy way to prove I'm on town's side (at least come as close as we can get to proving it) yet two nights in a row you decided to go after other people. Why?

I already know you aren't town, and I was assuming town would be smart enough to lynch you eventually. No need to waste a scan

Also I can only commute or scan each night, not both, and I lose a day phase if I commute, so I'm way weaker than bulletproof cop

Also you didn't seem to mind following me onto red earlier under the assumption I had info

Yeah, depending on what that info was I was very down to find some scum together. Unfortunately, you claimed to have no info, then changed it to having a flavour scan that was never mentioned until people started looking at you funny. And "wasting" a scan by confirming the third party isn't lying through his teeth doesn't sound like a waste to me.

Also Plum, you can just no lynch in that circumstance, right? For all we know it's a one use commute which would make tons of sense if he's on the scum side of things.

MikeTavish posted...

Also Plum, you can just no lynch in that circumstance, right?

How would town know that

Oh and I've driven a lynch on scum and all you've done is force town to choose between lynching you and lynching Town BP, which you had to do to get your powers and fulfill your win condition

Your claimed win condition literally involves killing a member of town. You are anti-town

masterplum posted...

Think about the optimal way to play this role as scum. You activate the faux janitor when you are the last scum left. You could have the result be a day where there are zero scum. You can't put a town in that situation where no matter who they lynch its a mislynch

If there are zero scum after using his ability, wouldn't the game be over?

MikeTavish posted...

Yeah, depending on what that info was I was very down to find some scum together. Unfortunately, you claimed to have no info, then changed it to having a flavour scan that was never mentioned until people started looking at you funny. And "wasting" a scan by confirming the third party isn't lying through his teeth doesn't sound like a waste to me.

Also Plum, you can just no lynch in that circumstance, right? For all we know it's a one use commute which would make tons of sense if he's on the scum side of things.

you could easily have claimed your actual flavor, it would prove nothing unless you lied about that

And also I already explained how it was obvious I had a flavor scan if you were paying attention

TidusOfTheX posted...

If there are zero scum after using his ability, wouldn't the game be over?

There are Ascians hidden among us! TOWN wins the game by finding the MAFIA and eliminating them

No

masterplum posted...

How would town know that

Ok you are missing the 9bvious. Like the typical restrictions hosts place on scum doublevoter, you simply prevent using the commute as the last scum.

Yesterday I vote Scare, and then ask about the possibility of scum having a WoL role. Today I vote red, he claims, and I ask if that's a town flavor. It's explained to me and I unvote. This isn't rocket science

Mzero. Is your commute multi-use or one time?

I am ready to kill mike if he keeps up this obvious scum attack on mzero.

Mzero has a role that has never before been seen on scum that is borderline bannable and led the lynch on scare

What the hell

MikeTavish posted...

Mzero. Is your commute multi-use or one time?

##Vote: Mike

why in the world would i answer this

MikeTavish posted...

Mzero. Is your commute multi-use or one time?

Don't answer this

Also red

But I like staying on Isquen because I think isquen is insta dead as town as the last 2 scum kill him

A...Are Mzero and Plum scum together? I really don't know why my logic is being questioned. Am I speaking a different language here?