Board 8 > Final Fantasy 14 Mafia - Day 4: Past the Far Edge of Fate

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masterplum posted...

Honestly I think this is a gambit where Isquen is going to try to bus Red, so I don't know if that is necessary

It's possible, but I don't see why it'd hurt.

Isquen posted...

What does bus mean in this scenario?

Bus refers to any setup in which one scum is trying to lynch another scum.

Crescent-Moon posted...

MZero claimed some... Catnap thing that I still don't trust I don't remember the flavor

you don't trust me after Scare flipped scum? >_>

MZero posted...

you don't trust me after Scare flipped scum? >_>

It's more of a "If you're town, we're both confirmable but probably useless town powers" thing itching at me, though given how this game has looked I know it's definitely possible.

That and it bugs me that if you're town, I think you completely wasted it. Admittedly that's a biased reason.

What do you want me to ask Ulti? I asked for you guys to give me something yesterday and it was never brought up again (except from me, who brought up the fact no one brought it up again. And it was ignored!)

Not sure why you're building this narrative where I'm anti town (scum terrified of my scan going off every night until the end of the game?) but I'm not gonna be feeding into it. I scanned town Chris the day before town Chris died, pushed for the Scare lynch all day until Scare flipped scum, and the only person who was pushing for me to die yesterday was Scare making up conspiracy theories.

I'm not seeing any universe in which I'm anti-town but obviously that's easy to say from my side of things. Happy to ask whatever you'd like. But don't pretend I haven't been responding to these requests literally the entire time.

I merely want to know he's there so I can directly ask him a question that he can answer in a second that I don't think you'd have any chance of answering without research.

At least, as far as that confirmation goes.

At any rate I'll help apply some pressure here since obviously people have info and Red is being stubborn.

##Vote: Red

So what'd you do, friend?

Ulti hasn't said a word since right after his lynch, I've sent 5 messages asking him to come back and he hasn't responded to a single one.

If yall want to lynch me for that I don't really know what to say, **** me for helping to get a vengeful man lynched I guess. But don't act like you can't see him doing this exact thing to screw us over out of spite.

As I've said the whole time, I'll let you know the moment this changes.

Tag

Mike you claimed third party idk why you're surprised to get suspicion

Crescent-Moon posted...

Bus refers to any setup in which one scum is trying to lynch another scum.

Ah. (I hadn't realized we moved to page 2, I've been waiting.) Might as well drop a text dump then, to spice it up, because I'm basically useless at this point (not that I haven't been already.)

...Unless Red wants to speak up!

MZero posted...

Mike you claimed third party idk why you're surprised to get suspicion

Because with all the info that was given including me straight up saying i dont mind being lynched, the town decided to trust me over Ulti. I felt like, after that, my scan, and the Scare lynch, I'd be provided with some modicum of trust but it only seems to have left further doubt in everyone's minds. Frustrating but not unbelievable, I guess, it is Mafia.

I think it's more "Ulti is a jackass to everyone for no reason" that led *my* vote. Thank you for confirming me innocent even though that doesn't prove your own innocence, though!

Still waiting, red!

##vote: Red

And hey, if I die overnight, that's all the better, 'cuz it'll answer some questions without me needing to.

That's -1 right? Don't hammer plz

Isquen posted...

I think it's more "Ulti is a jackass to everyone for no reason" that led *my* vote. Thank you for confirming me innocent even though that doesn't prove your own innocence, though!

Still waiting, red!

##vote: Red

And hey, if I die overnight, that's all the better, 'cuz it'll answer some questions without me needing to.

Red is -1 already.

MikeTavish posted...

Because with all the info that was given including me straight up saying i dont mind being lynched, the town decided to trust me over Ulti. I felt like, after that, my scan, and the Scare lynch, I'd be provided with some modicum of trust but it only seems to have left further doubt in everyone's minds. Frustrating but not unbelievable, I guess, it is Mafia.

I mean the last two votes on Ulti were probably scum

Also third parties are inherently untrustworthy

Crescent-Moon posted...

Red is -1 already.

Yes, I'm aware of that.

6]Ulti - Mike, Isquen, Plum, Tidus, Red, Scare
[2]Mike - (Isquen), Ulti, (Tidus), (Plum), Chris, (Scare)

Scare was scum, red probably scum, Mike is you, Isquen might be scum too

Two confirmed town on your lynch

hmmm

A quick to -1 probable scum we're waiting on to actually do anything.

"I feel like we've been here before have we been here before?"

Also it's curious that scum didn't block you after you claimed scanning powers. Or did you claim 1 shot? I dont remember

Or does scum have no RB and Plum is pulling a fast one on us? HMMM

I trust plum for now though

You know what, I'm the impatient sort, and I'd rather spend three days not worrying.

"Sure then, I'll fire it out before I die. Writing this during Night 3 for the endgame, in case I die, or Day 4, in case I survive.

So, I'm gonna lead with a confession: I was telling a half-truth, and leaving off some extra flavor of mine. I do indeed have the Ninja ability of undetectability if I visit someone... but no actual ability to leave my house during the night. That could've been really, really bad if Scare had claimed it.

This also, naturally, means I was bluffing that I saw plum also and going off of Chris's claim, plus trying to make a credible one for night 2, when I haven't done squat but try and paint a target on myself the end of day 3 so that an actual helpful role wouldn't get offed. I may have overthought it a little. (I also did not, in fact, go to red's as claimed.)

0. My thoughts towards Scare early, for a refresher: "A multinight one?" (referring to the ability to be a corpsetaker) "No way that would be a town role. And if you had taken bodyguard, you would've died if anyone had fired at Ulti, as claimed. I feel it would've taken precedence over the bulletproof, almost like a needless sacrifice. Or, you DO have that ability, as Scum hades, and did it in case someone was a lookout, for example, so you can back up that claim." Also immediately jumped on me for making one mistaken edit, so screw 'im. (Side note, who deleted something on page 9 of day 2?)

1. Red: I called out that I was gonna target you so that a.) someone with scum team would waste a block on me, b.) try to kill me, or c.) Hope that my bogus flavor kicked in and I'd die from the attempt. Tried to pin the blame on MZero early in day 3 for wasting a role action. Also not voting for scum, but leading the charge on town lynches, and being an ass when challenged.

2. Chris: Gonna apologize here for claiming your role; in actuality, I don't have a damn ability at all, just the flavor text of one that scum could use if they claimed my body. I am much less suspicious of a Thancred claim now that Lahabrea is gone, too. That said, I don't know if it's a lookout ability, so much as it could be a lockdown ability (hence why Plum says they couldn't move night 1.) Been relatively antagonistic for most of the game in general, and mostly useless. (And now that the night has passed, oh look, they're dead.)

3. Crescent: I could buy into the Mothercrystal claim and an interaction with WoL, but wouldn't that also work with Ardbert, too? Hasn't voted but for once on me on day 1 from a "hey it's a new player get 'im" standpoint, not even to seal Scare's fate, even after I proferred a bunch of info (even if some of it was bogus.) Was leaning neutral towards town, now a bit more suspicious unless the role power comes to... light, because literally nothing of value has come from this beyond some discordant discourse.
"If you have a virtually identical claim to Chris, how do you not immediately counter?"
Good read, though, even if I think you're more suspicious of Mike at this point.

4. MZero: I still find the catnap either wasted (which I can buy) or getting hidden inside your own place as scum by a teammate for credibility purposes. That is a *really* strong role for a town to have, I feel, and it was wasted. Leaning neutral, though, through arguments. Also pointed out by plum: "Wouldnt scum who can remove themselves from the game be in the banned roles category? save that role till lylo, go invisible, auto win?"

5. Plum: I've been thinking they've been suspicious, but the above kinda draws away from that a bit, all the more so if they got role-locked as claimed. Which means, yes, I was wrong calling out "at least one scum between Mike and Plum" for the day 1 votes; more on that later. That said, if you got role-locked, what *is* your role? (And now that Chris is dead, you're much, much more credible, but I'd still like to know.)

6. Tidus: Extremely passive and sounds out of their depth, if town. Waffling on votes a lot, unvotes (probably to see if I'll self-incriminate) yesterday only to put a vote back when "this is getting nowhere." Getting a large scum read from 'em, especially with some hindsight of the Day 2 discourse when we all did the dumb and voted Ulti getting flavor trapped. Also was a voter against Bat. Probably pulled the kill shot on Scare after being told that nobody rose to the bait of trying to lynch me instead.

7. Mike: With how minimalist most of the flavor profiles have been so far, and how useless the Ulti communication has been (let's face it, ANY of us could've told you that Ulti is probably fuming from the sidelines if he had open comms) I'm now 50% spooked that they're Mafia Zenos instead of Third Party Ardbert to curry favor, as Ulti's flip didn't mention anything about a hidden power. Alas, hindsight is 2020. So I posit this: has Mike already "won" even if he's third party, or is he forced to work with the town with the Ardbert flavor? Also, thank you for confirming me as good, even if you're scum (but also if you're evil, which you'd know by default.) That said, I think there's more important to lynch tonight.

Day 4 Isquen here: Current leanings are Red/Tidus, Red/Crescent, or Red/Mike, in that order, and I agree to kill Mike after today if we get three scum. Hell, even if we don't.

You're welcome. I'll see you all on day 5 or after the game, whichever is more likely, but I think my time as a scapegoat has come and gone when I'm basically a vanilla but *worse.*

This day launched on my raid night calm down guys.

You're a bit off there. I figured out my connection to the WoL from the Wiki. The very top of the page says:

"The Warrior of Light, also known as Hydaelyn's chosen"

I wasn't reading an entire page of spew, but that stuck out to me very quickly and it's why my snap reaction was what it was.

Also, if MZero is scum, his ability would be disallowed for late game use, much like GoT2 had a scum doublevoter that could only doublevote day 1.

I just don't really think scum MZero has the stones to immediately bus both Scare AND Red on his return.

red13n posted...

This day launched on my raid night calm down guys.

You're -1 can you just claim

##unvote

Not looking for a hammer 3 hours into the day thanks.

MZero posted...

Also it's curious that scum didn't block you after you claimed scanning powers. Or did you claim 1 shot? I dont remember

Or does scum have no RB and Plum is pulling a fast one on us? HMMM

I trust plum for now though

I agree, can't believe I didn't get blocked. Not sure why scum would fear Plum's unclaimed power over my scan but here we are.

Guessing they were afraid of visiting me and being spotted blocking me by Isquen? (Who apparently doesn't actually have that power. Lol scum.)

MikeTavish posted...

I agree, can't believe I didn't get blocked. Not sure why scum would fear Plum's unclaimed power over my scan but here we are.

Guessing they were afraid of visiting me and being spotted blocking me by Isquen? (Who apparently doesn't actually have that power. Lol scum.)

It wouldn't have mattered. Isquen could've claimed to see you get targeted, and there would've been no way to confirm whether or not he RBed you himself. If I had to guess, scum didn't block you because scum didn't want to.

And I just now noticed from your post that Isquen pulled back his claim, which means all his claim did was draw an unblocked scan from you and now it no longer exists.

Crescent-Moon posted...

It wouldn't have mattered. Isquen could've claimed to see you get targeted, and there would've been no way to confirm whether or not he RBed you himself. If I had to guess, scum didn't block you because scum didn't want to.

And I just now noticed from your post that Isquen pulled back his claim, which means all his claim did was draw an unblocked scan from you and now it no longer exists.

Not sure what you mean here. What no longer exists?

MikeTavish posted...

Not sure what you mean here. What no longer exists?

Isquen's claim was awful. It didn't fit the text and the power (and night 1 target) he claimed matched Chris dead on.

You went unblocked

You scanned Isquen because his claim was horrid.

Isquen took back his claim.

Crescent-Moon posted... One thing I have to add though: If Isquen is scum, I have no idea why scum Isquen would think this is at all a good way to claim what he just claimed.

He seems smarter than this.

I said this yesterday.

I think we just got our "why".

Ah I see what you're saying. You think he's the Godfather, then?

MikeTavish posted...

Ah I see what you're saying. You think he's the Godfather, then?

It's very convenient that he just happens to now be claiming to have no actual power at all when the power he claimed is what drew you to scanning him in the first place.

So yes, yes I do.

Sound logic tbh. Let's see where this Red thing goes.

Let's see if this Red thing goes zzzz

Anyway since you guys are being stubborn I am Mother Porxie, town healer.

I cure "tempered" status. I don't know exactly what this is in mafia terms and I was really hoping to hide this longer.

I targetted scare/tavish/mzero(No I wasn't going to target chris, if scum was going to target him I figured they'd just murder him).

This is also why I was pressing so hard to answer on pure/whatever aether, because tempered status is certainly something that could alter that status(Was not expecting dark to be the alternative response, tbh, it put me back to confused status). And yes, it did make me more leery of protection-like claims.

Really not sure what to make of that. I also expected the big issue to be that he targeted Chris last night and got caught stabbin'.

Mzero? Thoughts?

Hmmm

I looked up mother porxie and it looks like a boss. Why is it town?

MZero posted...

Hmmm

I looked up mother porxie and it looks like a boss. Why is it town?

We use it to make more porxies which we use to cure the tempered.

It is a boss from a dungeon that is really just Matoya/Y'shtola's house or whatever. It isn't really us going to stop a villain or anything.

It's a familiar that the good guys use to heal the tempered of their, uh, tempering. Just gotta whoop its ass first.

So how did you know Red visited you, Mzero? I thought your power was to disappear for a day or whatever.

Although I suppose reading back he never outright claimed he saw Red visit him. Just instantly posted requesting a claim. I guess I just assumed he had SOMETHING on him. Got my hopes up for a little more than what we got.

I am honestly assuming he is hiding something too. Otherwise I would have lied about my claim.

##Unvote

i buy the claim for now

MikeTavish posted...

So how did you know Red visited you, Mzero? I thought your power was to disappear for a day or whatever.

I don't know where this is coming from but I didn't

Kind of convenient though!

MikeTavish posted...

I agree, can't believe I didn't get blocked. Not sure why scum would fear Plum's unclaimed power over my scan but here we are.

Guessing they were afraid of visiting me and being spotted blocking me by Isquen? (Who apparently doesn't actually have that power. Lol scum.)

As far as plum goes...we now know that someone definitely targeted plum N1.

And with no one claiming that action, we know that person isn't town.

I would wager that is enough to buy plum as town for now.

Yeah the only way I saw Plum as scum is if Chris was scum with him. When Chris flipped I became confident Plum is one of the good guys.

At the moment I'm thinking Tidus/Mzero/Isquen has to hold our two remaining scum. I have the inno scan on Isquen so I'm willing to leave him alone for now (but I'm really eyeing the Godfather possibility) just not sure who I want to go after first.

Mzero coming in hot on Red for seemingly no reason confused me when it was all said and done. I really thought he was gonna drop some kinda info bomb on us or something. Tidus is just coasting as a clueless newbie still at this point and I'm not sure I'm down to let that keep happening for much longer.

His vanilla claim actually helps his cause to me though because as far as I can tell he's the only other person claiming vanilla and two vanilla seems about right for this crazy game.

Crescent I just really can't see being scum. Her play has seemed very town and if she is scum well shit she's just better than me I guess. I probably won't be looking at her until we hit an endgame situation.

Would like to hear more from Tidus before I put a vote down. Who do you think the remaining scum are and why, Tidus?

I actually really wish you would have scanned anyone but Isquen because I'd be pretty hard pressed to believe he could play the innocent scum role this well.

Yeah, it didn't have the result I was hoping for. Hindsight, 20/20, etc.