Current Events > Boston area hospital refuses heart transplant for man who won't get vaccine

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Giant_Aspirin
01/25/22 10:54:24 AM
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https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/brigham-and-womens-hospital-boston-refusing-heart-transplant-man-wont-get-vaccinated/

the doctors are basically saying they won't waste a perfectly good heart on someone with such low chances of long term survival. welp.

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FLAMING EVIL HOMER
01/25/22 10:54:52 AM
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So anyway

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eston
01/25/22 10:57:08 AM
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I'm pretty pro-vax but I don't think I agree with this as A) not being vaxxed does not mean he is guaranteed to die from COVID, and B) even if he was vaxxed he could still die from COVID

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Funkydog
01/25/22 10:59:20 AM
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People get rejected for reasons like this all the time tbh.

Organs are limited in supply and ultimately you have to make a decision of who is "worthy" enough to get them - and that is those who will actually make best use of them and not die soon anyway.

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FLAMING EVIL HOMER
01/25/22 11:00:17 AM
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"It's kind of against his basic principles he doesn't believe in it," David Ferguson says. "It's a policy they are enforcing and so, because he won't get the shot, they took him off the list (for) a heart transplant."

Lolol fair, next.


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masterpug53
01/25/22 11:00:21 AM
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People get denied transplants for less self-harming behavior than being antivaxx. That organ is a gift, not a right.

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Mearcstapa
01/25/22 11:01:13 AM
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Great news for the next in line on the waiting list.

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BalanceLost
01/25/22 11:02:02 AM
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This is not real news to be honest. You get rejected for a new organ for a NUMBER of reasons.

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Horrorbooksguy
01/25/22 11:02:31 AM
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eston posted...
I'm pretty pro-vax but I don't think I agree with this as A) not being vaxxed does not mean he is guaranteed to die from COVID, and B) even if he was vaxxed he could still die from COVID
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ViewtifulJoe
01/25/22 11:03:24 AM
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There could have been a bereaved family sitting there going "Why did they have to give it to that guy just so he could run right back to the JFK Respawn Gang Dallas HQ to catch it again, ingest poisonous chemicals for good measure and then die?"
But there might not now, which is something.

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Flockaveli
01/25/22 11:03:28 AM
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Guy trusts a hospital enough for a transplant but not a needle. Fuck him then.

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CyricZ
01/25/22 11:03:52 AM
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eston posted...
I'm pretty pro-vax but
I've not seen an odder take from you.

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MrToothHasYou
01/25/22 11:04:07 AM
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eston posted...
I'm pretty pro-vax but I don't think I agree with this as A) not being vaxxed does not mean he is guaranteed to die from COVID, and B) even if he was vaxxed he could still die from COVID
While youre not wrong, when there are lists of people waiting for organs, it makes sense to give those organs to the ones who are most likely to survive the transplant and recovery processes. Not being vaccinated (and refusing to get vaccinated for personal reasons) seems like a fair risk factor to include in determining a patients eligibility for transplant.

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Heartomaton
01/25/22 11:07:24 AM
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Who's his doctor, Perry Cox?

Anyway, fair next.

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eston
01/25/22 11:07:36 AM
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MrToothHasYou posted...
While youre not wrong, when there are lists of people waiting for organs, it makes sense to give those organs to the ones who are most likely to survive the transplant and recovery processes. Not being vaccinated (and refusing to get vaccinated for personal reasons) seems like a fair risk factor to include in determining a patients eligibility for transplant.
That's a fair point. I guess I'm reacting more to TC's interpretation than the actual policy, which is pretty reasonable.

CyricZ posted...
I've not seen an odder take from you.
Seems unlikely

Horrorbooksguy posted...
Shut the fuck up.
Too much of a pussy to post on your main eh

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NightingaleMD
01/25/22 11:08:28 AM
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Shows bad medical judgement

If he won't even get a shot I doubt he'll take his rejection meds either

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Giant_Aspirin
01/25/22 11:09:36 AM
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eston posted...
I guess I'm reacting more to TC's interpretation than the actual policy, which is pretty reasonable.

that's the jist of why he was removed from eligibility. organs always go to the patient with the highest chance of survival and this guy refused to meet the requirements for eligibility.

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CyricZ
01/25/22 11:10:03 AM
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eston posted...
Seems unlikely
It's the truth.

But I'll get over it.

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Were_Wyrm
01/25/22 11:12:17 AM
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We are aggressively pursuing all options, but we are running out of time, Ferguson said.
There's one option they're not pursuing, and it's the only one that will work.

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V-E-G-Y-
01/25/22 11:12:49 AM
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Fair, next

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Machete
01/25/22 11:14:28 AM
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FLAMING EVIL HOMER posted...
"It's kind of against his basic principles he doesn't believe in it," David Ferguson says. "It's a policy they are enforcing and so, because he won't get the shot, they took him off the list (for) a heart transplant."

Lolol fair, next.


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LightHawKnight
01/25/22 11:14:36 AM
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So why is this news? Its standard policy for organ transplants.

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masterpug53
01/25/22 11:15:30 AM
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Heartomaton posted...
Who's his doctor, Perry Cox?

Anyway, fair next.

Funny thing about that reference is that Dr. Cox wanted to give the organ transplant to his buddy because he was 'a great guy,' but Dr. Turk was the one who ultimately had to be a stickler for the rules and deny the patient because he'd broken them.

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DarkRoast
01/25/22 11:16:16 AM
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This is literally how it has always been.

Organ transplants necessitate taking immunosuppressants. Refusing vaccination puts your organ at high risk of being "lost". It's not just COVID - it's everything.

It annoys the SHIT out of me that anti-vaxxers are still trying to use these examples.

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I4NRulez
01/25/22 11:17:18 AM
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eston posted...
I'm pretty pro-vax but I don't think I agree with this as A) not being vaxxed does not mean he is guaranteed to die from COVID, and B) even if he was vaxxed he could still die from COVID

When you get a transplant you take drugs that pretty much shut down your immune system to keep your body from rejecting the transplant. They do that so you don't get the organ then die because someone sneezes near you and you die like a week after the transplant

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Giant_Aspirin
01/25/22 11:18:04 AM
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LightHawKnight posted...
So why is this news? Its standard policy for organ transplants.

it's one more way not getting vaccinated can royally fuck you over

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Heartomaton
01/25/22 11:18:26 AM
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masterpug53 posted...
Funny thing about that reference is that Dr. Cox wanted to give the organ transplant to his buddy because he was 'a great guy,' but Dr. Turk was the one who ultimately had to be a stickler for the rules and deny the patient because he'd broken them.

I vaguely remember that episode now.

Been a long time since I rewatched Scrubs. Tried to about a year ago, but it was the version with altered music and I found it very off-putting (just like Netflix Supernatural).

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thronedfire2
01/25/22 11:18:28 AM
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Fair

getting a vaccine is against his principles but having your own heart replaced by a strangers is fine apparently?

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DarkRoast
01/25/22 11:18:52 AM
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eston posted...
I'm pretty pro-vax but I don't think I agree with this as A) not being vaxxed does not mean he is guaranteed to die from COVID, and B) even if he was vaxxed he could still die from COVID

I'm pretty pro-parachute but I don't think I agree with this as A) not wearing a parachute does not mean skydiving is guaranteed to kill you and B) even if you wore a parachute while skydiving, you can still die from falling.


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Sayoria
01/25/22 11:19:10 AM
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Imagine giving him this transplant just to have him die the next week because he catches covid.

You reap what you sew.

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AlCalavicci
01/25/22 11:31:33 AM
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fair, next

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markconig
01/25/22 11:42:01 AM
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I saw this story on a friends facebook and an anti-vaxers response was something like "it's even more dangerous to give that heart to a vaccinated person because the vaccine causes blood clots". Even though covid itself has a much higher chance to cause blood clots.

But anyway, fair, next. Getting organs is a very strict process, they can turn you away for any number of reasons.

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DirkDiggles
01/25/22 11:53:41 AM
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As a fellow heart transplant recipient, this is a total fair, next. He had no issue getting the other vaxes, didn't he?

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pogo_rabid
01/25/22 12:01:16 PM
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lmao @ antivaxxers expecting anyone to give an actual fuck about them

Who cares, let nature take it's course. Don't give good organs at bad people.

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Sackgurl
01/25/22 12:02:03 PM
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doctors should be allowed to make their own assessment of patient risk and survival chances

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DarkRoast
01/25/22 1:58:03 PM
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Sackgurl posted...
doctors should be allowed to make their own assessment of patient risk and survival chances

Oregon transplants are regulated by federal level policies. Specifically to avoid selling organs to rich people, etc

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greyfox747
01/25/22 2:40:02 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
Oregon transplants are regulated by federal level policies.

which is a vast overreach, Oregon should be able to move wherever it wants

#staymadliberals #myoregonmychoice #givemeoregonorgivemedeath

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Cookie Bag
01/25/22 3:53:41 PM
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Literal brain worms.... God people are fucking stupid

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shiby with it
01/25/22 3:55:47 PM
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Scum.

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Turbam
01/25/22 3:58:29 PM
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Based

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bknight
01/25/22 4:00:49 PM
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He should try to get a pig heart. Worked for that one guy.
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sktgamer_13dude
01/25/22 4:22:38 PM
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eston posted...
I'm pretty pro-vax but I don't think I agree with this as A) not being vaxxed does not mean he is guaranteed to die from COVID, and B) even if he was vaxxed he could still die from COVID

Being vaxxed means the heart has a greater chance of going to someone who wont immediately die and waste it.

For someone who got mad at me for being ignorant, youre being incredibly hypocritical.

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bknight
01/25/22 6:08:48 PM
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So, does that mean he'll only take a non-vaccinated heart? Cause plenty of anti-vaxxers are dying left and right, leaving pureblood hearts. Would not want him to get a healthy heart from someone whose been vaxxed, would go against his principles.
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whitelytning
01/25/22 7:24:36 PM
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I just saw this story and it hurts my brain to understand. The guy trusts the medical professionals with something like a heart transplant but not a vaccineto the point he will die.

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SauI_Goodman
01/25/22 7:26:46 PM
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I kinda feel bad for the guy but kinda not.

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_HayleyWilliams
01/25/22 7:32:57 PM
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Vaccinations are and have been a requirement for transplants.

Soon, we'll start hearing "shocking" stories of students being denied admission for not having up-to-date vaccinations.

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Unsugarized_Foo
01/25/22 7:33:47 PM
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Would a heart transplant put him at risk? Would it make him statistically likely to not die? He is 31, but it's also a heart transplant, I guess

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DarkChozoGhost
01/25/22 7:37:53 PM
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Good. All transplant recipients have always needed to receive every standard vaccine. They should not change rules that have been in place well over 50 years because some idiot antivaxxer wants to make a point.

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