Current Events > Joe Rogan needs to be deplatformed

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BignutzisBack posted...

All right then, continue to live in your fantasy world where if he was deplatformed those viewpoints would go away. Do you think that if he was removed people would just throw their hands up in the air and go oh well I guess I can't have those beliefs anymore? Talk about delusional

"Why do you think deplatforming somebody so they can't easily and directly reach a wide audience will prevent them from reaching a wide audience?"

Do you even listen to yourself type

This is like asking why taking an arsonist's matchbook away will prevent him from starting as many fires

OrangeWizard posted...

That sounds like a pretty good argument for why one's freedom of speech needs to be protected even on the internet.

It is. The US government doesn't censor people on the internet, corporations do when people violate their TOU

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/3/0/AAcQ3hAAB9fu.jpg

OrangeWizard posted...

That sounds like a pretty good argument for why one's freedom of speech needs to be protected even on the internet.

The First Amendment doesn't apply to Twitter because Twitter isn't part of the government, so put this tired, deeply flawed argument back where you found it. We've all heard it before, and it's wrong.

TMOG posted...

The First Amendment doesn't apply to Twitter

I didn't say it did. Please read more carefully in the future

Whoever keeps posting shut the fuck up

TMOG posted...

Why do you think deplatforming somebody so they can't easily and directly reach a wide audience will prevent them from reaching a wide audience

Because another platform will appear like whack-a-mole, this shouldn't be that hard to understand. I have to say it is pretty amusing to see people who believe they can just bully a viewpoint out of existence

OrangeWizard posted...

I didn't say it did. Please read more carefully in the future

"Freedom of speech needs to be protected even on the internet"

You know exactly what you were saying there.

Put the argument back where you found it and stop sealioning.

Irony posted...

Whoever keeps posting shut the fuck up

It's OrangeWizard peddling his bullshit

BignutzisBack posted...

Because another platform will appear like whack-a-mole, this shouldn't be that hard to understand. I have to say it is pretty amusing to see people who believe they can just bully a viewpoint out of existence

You mean like all the times Trump tried and failed to make his own social media platform?

"Hate speech/Dangerous Misinformation will always exist so why stop try to stop it from spreading"

Maybe the dumbest sentiment ever

TMOG posted...

You know exactly what you were saying there.

Ah, the old "I can't prove that you were doing what I'm accusing you of doing, but you know what you did"

Put that tired old argument back where you found it and stop gaslighting.

Instead of deplatforming how about you just behave like a rational adult and just simply not listen to his podcast?

OrangeWizard posted...

Ah, the old "I can't prove that you were doing what I'm accusing you of doing, but you know what you did"

Put that tired old argument back where you found it and stop gaslighting.

Okay, I'll play along, what exactly did you mean if not that you should be able to say whatever you want online without being punished or shunned for it, due to a critical misunderstanding of what "freedom of speech" actually means?

Autarch posted...

Instead of deplatforming how about you just behave like a rational adult and just simply not listen to his podcast?

You'd it would be that easy, but people still are throwing a hissy fit for some reason. Ah well

Autarch posted...

Instead of deplatforming how about you just behave like a rational adult and just simply not listen to his podcast?

Because people who listen to him in turn don't get vaccines and then spread a deadly disease to others. It's not rocket science, his opinions cause harm to people besides his listeners.

AngelicRadiance posted...

Because people who listen to him in turn don't get vaccines and then spread a deadly disease to others. It's not rocket science, his opinions cause harm to people besides his listeners.

meanwhile the people vaccinated still catch and spread the same deadly disease lmfao.

BignutzisBack posted...

Because another platform will appear like whack-a-mole, this shouldn't be that hard to understand. I have to say it is pretty amusing to see people who believe they can just bully a viewpoint out of existence

every other platform trump has tried to get started on gets shut down within months.

thronedfire2 posted...

every other platform trump has tried to get started on gets shut down within months.

Shhhhh, he already ignored when I said the same thing, because he knows it ruins his narrative that social media platforms are both plentiful and easy to start up/maintain.

BignutzisBack posted...

Because another platform will appear like whack-a-mole, this shouldn't be that hard to understand.

Yeah, all of the right-wing knockoff platforms that have cropped up over the past year have been wildly successful. *rolls eyes*

EvalAngell posted...

meanwhile the people vaccinated still catch and spread the same deadly disease lmfao.

Hmm why could that be? Could it be because the spread of misinformation that caused people to ignore safety protocols, wonder where they got that idea

Autarch posted...

Instead of deplatforming how about you just behave like a rational adult and just simply not listen to his podcast?

Because it's easier to yell at someone behind the safety of a computer monitor and anonymity than actually have a productive conversion. 95% of the people on CE that yell and talk shit would never act the way they portray themselves in public when they leave their parent's basements...lol

myzz7 posted...

"trust the experts.... no not that expert!"

Malone is not an expert.

AngelicRadiance posted...

Hmm why could that be? Could it be because the spread of misinformation that caused people to ignore safety protocols, wonder where they got that idea

you're blaming the leaky vaccines on misinformation? Seriously? You're a total rube.

MutantJohn posted...

He is a mega Chad, how can I compete?

Hes also a manlet

MrPeppers posted...

Malone is not an expert.

literally invented the MNRA technology used in the vaccines.

TMOG posted...

Okay, I'll play along, what exactly did you mean

That being banned from Twitter, for example, could have a "severe impact on [one's] ability to communicate directly to the populace", and on the basis of that impact, that's a good argument for why freedom of speech should be protected online.

Misinformation is okay as long as it fits the popular narrative. Also I ask again, why do people listen to Joe Rogan? He's a pothead that likes animals and MMA.

EvalAngell posted...

literally invented the MNRA technology

No he didn't lol

COVxy posted...

It's wild that we have a metric fuckton of data suggesting that the vaccine probably the safest medicine on the earth right now, and all it takes is some dude with a little bit of celebrity saying:
"Yeah bro, but like, what if it's not? Trust me, this is some serious skepticism."

And then half the population is like,
"Why aren't you engaging with this guy? If your science were so solid, you would just argue against him! I'm starting to have my doubts"

I agree with this tbh. Its not worth explaining to every single person on the internet why they should take the vaccine, but it is worth explaining to one person with a huge audience.

OrangeWizard posted...

That being banned from Twitter, for example, could have a "severe impact on [one's] ability to communicate directly to the populace", and on the basis of that impact, that's a good argument for why freedom of speech should be protected online.

So exactly what I said in the rest of my post that you chose to exclude, but phrased in a way that you hope will trick others into believing it's somehow different.

Gotcha.

Vyrulisse posted...

Misinformation is okay as long as it fits the popular narrative. Also I ask again, why do people listen to Joe Rogan? He's a pothead that likes animals and MMA.

Because I'm a pothead that likes animals and MMA too..lol

TMOG posted...

So exactly what I said

If that's your understanding of it, so be it, but I disagree.

AngelicRadiance posted...

No he didn't lol

Here's a list of his papers and patents
https://www.rwmalonemd.com/general-4

OrangeWizard posted...

If that's your understanding of it, so be it, but I disagree.

Here's a list of his papers and patents
https://www.rwmalonemd.com/general-4

Notice how he isn't alone in any of those patents?

He worked on it, he didn't "invent" it, it's not the fucking lightbulb

EvalAngell posted...

literally invented the MNRA technology used in the vaccines.

Even if you consider this to be true (and it's a massive stretch to make that claim according to several other people involved) there's been 30+ years of research and development of the technology without his involvement. There's no reason to listen to anything this guy has to say about anything

AngelicRadiance posted...

Notice how he isn't alone in any of those patents?

He worked on it, he didn't "invent" it, it's not the fucking lightbulb

I don't think one needs to create something alone in order to claim to be the inventor of a thing.

Nu_Jersey_Devil posted...

Because I'm a pothead that likes animals and MMA too..lol

lol I meant for things like Covid/Vaccines and other serious issues. He always readily admits he's ignorant about such things.

People really hate that he'll talk to just about anybody. The core of this is that Joe will often talk to people that aren't Leftists and social media/Twitter can't reconcile that talking to someone you may disagree with like an actual human isn't the end of all existence.

BignutzisBack posted...

...are you going to post some of that evidence or?

An anecdote but...

know what Milo Yiannopoulos is up to these days? No? Neither does anyone else.

IMNOTRAGED posted...

there's been 30+ years of research and development of the technology without his involvement. There's no reason to listen to anything this guy has to say about anything

Are you assuming he just rested on his laurels and coasted for those 30+ years? Listen to the podcast to hear his account of how active his career has been, or read his resume on the site.

OrangeWizard posted...

I don't think one needs to create something alone in order to claim to be the inventor of a thing.

In a vacuum, no not really.

When that one person is the only one of many making claims such as this without any real evidence to back it up, it kinda brings into question their motive for trying to take sole credit

OrangeWizard posted...

I don't think one needs to create something alone in order to claim to be the inventor of a thing.

When he criticizes it using his status he does need to be transparent that he was part of a team, his exact role and not involved in the Covid Vaccines.

Vyrulisse posted...

lol I meant for things like Covid/Vaccines and other serious issues. He always readily admits he's ignorant about such things.

People really hate that he'll talk to just about anybody. The core of this is that Joe will often talk to people that aren't Leftists and social media/Twitter can't reconcile that talking to someone you may disagree with like an actual human isn't the end of all existence.

It'd be a lot better if he brought on actual experts to discuss the risks, benefits, alternatives, and projections when he brings on individuals with fringe experience. We have people in this topic who watch Rogan, and because of their preconceived notions, are willing to buy into whatever a self-proclaimed expert says because the snake oil lines up with their narrative. Unfortunately, people who listen in on these kinds of things lack any understanding of research, medicine, appraisal of data, etc. and Rogan tends to throw away his journalistic integrity for the sake of exploring his own personal curiosities. So many people walk away from these types of things going "Hmmm", and there really needs to be a disclaimer and prominent reminder that this is not currently accepted science and is pure conjecture.

OrangeWizard posted...

That being banned from Twitter, for example, could have a "severe impact on [one's] ability to communicate directly to the populace", and on the basis of that impact, that's a good argument for why freedom of speech should be protected online.

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/free_speech.png

Based.

https://youtu.be/P6Iyg9fznvM

This 11 hours podcast sums it up well