Poll of the Day > What is the Mt. Rushmore of PS1 JRPGS? (no FF)

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Suikoden 2
Xenogears
Breath of Fire 3
Valkyrie Profile

accord posted...

Xenogears
Valkyrie Profile

these never came out in europe for the ps1 so i wouldnt know :(

Grandia would be up there for me though

No FFs? Nor FFT?

Valkyrie Profile was good, but it was limited release at best in the west.

I suppose I say Dragon Quest 7. Terrible graphics and extremely slow...but fun regardless.

As much as I like BoF3 and BoF in general, it simply does not have the popularity for something like this.

I also realized that everything that came to mind for me, is more SNES JRPGs.

But yes, there are 2 BoFs, there is the Digimon World series, ToD+ToE. What else? CC is too divisive. Is DQ even that well known for its PS originals/exclusives? At this point SotN might even be a serious contender...

My top 4 of the time probably would have been:

Final Fantasy VII
Suikoden 1 & 2
Xenogears

Honorable mentions might go to Lunar: Silver Star Story (a very close fifth - and depending on my mood I might bump it up to Xenogears' spot), Legend of Dragoon (though I never loved it as much as some other people did), Thousand Arms (extremely underrated and fun), Star Ocean: Second Story, Kartia: The Word of Fate (really obscure but neat in a lot of ways), Koudelka (though more as a prelude to the later, better Shadow Hearts games), and Granstream Saga (it's kind of janky, but I kind of loved it more for what it was trying to be than for what it actually was).

I'm probably forgetting a few (and deliberately ignoring a few others).



Nichtcrawler X posted...

As much as I like BoF3 and BoF in general, it simply does not have the popularity for something like this.

It depends on what criteria you're using to pick your "Mt. Rushmore".

Is it your overall pick for your personal top favorites? The most popular games of the era? The most influential games of the era? Games that you loved then that still hold up today? Games you think everyone should play?

Different people are going to have different ideas of what the criteria should be, so lists are going to be even more subjective than they otherwise would be.

Then my follow up question, as I am non-American and was never thought this or bothered to look it up. What were the reasons for why those 4 Presidents were chosen for Mt. Rushmore?

Edit: Quick Google suggests it is the first President, Third and two with important Legacies.

Which makes me go 1.King's Field, 2.Suikoden or Persona, 3.SotN and 4.FF7.

Legend of Legaia

Just offhand...

Legend of Dragoon
Legend of Legaia

And then idk, maybe Kartia. Outside of FF, the ps1's jrg selection hadn't amazed me the way the SNES did.

Nichtcrawler X posted...

Then my follow up question, as I am non-American and was never thought this or bothered to look it up. What were the reasons for why those 4 Presidents were chosen for Mt. Rushmore?

Edit: Quick Google suggests it is the first President, Third and two with important Legacies.

Which makes me go 1.King's Field, 2.Suikoden or Persona, 3.SotN and 4.FF7.

It's who the artist wanted to sculpt. Washington and Jefferson make a lot of sense, Lincoln is credited with keeping the nation together (despite the fact his presidency was why it broke up in the first place), and then everybody likes Teddy.

The phrase usually means either the best of something or the most influential. Jefferson is arguably the most influential president in US history, considering he was the first Secretary of State, second VP, third president, and BOTH current political parties were founded based on the principals of the party he founded.

It's worth noting that Washington as a politician was kinda eh; his legacy was more as a general. And to some extent the fact that Washington wasn't a stronger hand is why the US almost immediately splintered into two political parties (the federalists and democratic-republicans) despite his dislike his parties and factionalism.

Parasite Eve
Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete
Legend of Dragoon
Parasite Eve II

sadly never played chrono cross more than 15 minsCT is my favorite game ever

Ff7

Yeah, it's very American: it's a huge statue that was undertaken essentially by marketers to draw tourists to the Black Hills.

Patriotism was big at the time, so presidents. Washington is a no-brainer, and Jefferson was an important founding father as well as President so he's easy. Lincoln led through the Civil War (and no, you can't blame him for the war: he didn't do anything other than be perceived as anti-slavery). Teddy doesn't fit quite as well, but he was very popular in the early 1900s.

Zeus posted...

It's worth noting that Washington as a politician was kinda eh; his legacy was more as a general. And to some extent the fact that Washington wasn't a stronger hand is why the US almost immediately splintered into two political parties (the federalists and democratic-republicans) despite his dislike his parties and factionalism.

I would personally disagree with that. Washington's entire schtick was being a reasonable and polite "gentleman" while advocating for self-government. He wasn't tactically great as a general by most accounts, but he WAS great at getting people to follow his lead. He held armies together and managed personalities. The main thing he DIDN'T want to be was a king (or smarmy politician), so there was no way he was going to lead with a very strong hand. He pioneered peaceful transitions of power, which have held up apart from the civil war and...2020.

Long story short, he modeled the balanced/fair values that would be needed to set up a system of government built upon power sharing: that was a big deal. He forced respectful dialogue. The system can't survive the lack of those values (and, as we are running out of them as a nation now, we're falling apart) but it worked pretty well for a couple hundred eventful years based in large part upon his early example.

Arvs suprised no ones mentioned chrono trigger people must be trying to be creative

ArvTheGreat posted...

Arvs suprised no ones mentioned chrono trigger people must be trying to be creative

you mean cross? trigger was SNES.

i liked cross but it definitely got a mixed reaction at best from most people. can't speak for the other games here but it was pretty flawed.

Nade Duck posted...

you mean cross? trigger was SNES.

i liked cross but it definitely got a mixed reaction at best from most people. can't speak for the other games here but it was pretty flawed.

cant count the psx port?
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/0/0/AAcpmVAACxfY.jpg

I was thinking tc used mt.rushmore on behalf of its difficulty to climb

ArvTheGreat posted...

cant count the psx port?
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/0/0/AAcpmVAACxfY.jpg

i wouldn't, but i'm not TC.

It has exclusive features for the psx!

The best PS1 RPGs are SNES PORTS.

FF4,5,6, & Chrono Trigger

Legend of Dragoon disc 1
Legend of Dragoon disc 2
Legend of Dragoon disc 3
Legend of Dragoon disc 4

The chrono trigger port is terrible imo. The long loading times, even to access the menu, are unforgivable

FrozenBananas posted...

The chrono trigger port is terrible imo. The long loading times, even to access the menu, are unforgivable

Mmmm loading screens

FrozenBananas posted...

The chrono trigger port is terrible imo. The long loading times, even to access the menu, are unforgivable

Because we never got that here outside of DS (rare as fuck) and more recently the mobile version (which I got on Steam), I ended up getting that on PSN for my PS3. I thought surely it would be fine, they load faster digitally.

Fuck it was horrible. I can't imagine how much worse it was on the PS1 itself without 'fast' loading.

I also agree that the SNES was great for RPG's

Parasite Eve
Legend of Dragoon
Legend of Legaia
Koudelka

Hmm... Suikoden 2, maybe?

ArvTheGreat posted...

cant count the psx port?

Even if it does count, it shouldn't win, because it's atrocious. That port was my first experience with Chrono Trigger and I thought the game was grossly overrated garbage as a result. It wasn't until the DS version that my opinion improved.

FrozenBananas posted...

The chrono trigger port is terrible imo. The long loading times, even to access the menu, are unforgivable

Agree 100%, but I feel this way about all PSX, PS2, PS3, PS4 games.

Suikoden II
Legend of Dragoon
Final Fantasy Tactics
Xenogears

Suikoden 1 could easily go on the list too, but I wanted to limit it to one game per series...

Zeus posted...

It's who the artist wanted to sculpt. Washington and Jefferson make a lot of sense, Lincoln is credited with keeping the nation together (despite the fact his presidency was why it broke up in the first place), and then everybody likes Teddy.

No it wasn't.
The century of slavery slowly tearing the country apart, and the South throwing a bitch fit over the other party winning is broke it up.

It's worth noting that Washington as a politician was kinda eh; his legacy was more as a general. And to some extent the fact that Washington wasn't a stronger hand is why the US almost immediately splintered into two political parties (the federalists and democratic-republicans) despite his dislike his parties and factionalism.

Just the opposite...
He was a very mediocre general that lost many battles and made big mistakes, but competent enough that his army didn't collapse, at least. Benedict Arnold was the talented general that literally saved us from complete and utter defeat, but we treated him like crap and he bounced.
As a president though, he was great. Very fair and even-tempered, set pretty much all of the precedents we came to expect from the office, and was humble enough to leave instead of cling to power whilst warning us about how much forming political parties would ruin our country.

Talking consensus here, not so much so much my opinion

Suikoden II and Xenogears, as mentioned, are probably the top two. Maybe Vagrant Story is up there. After that there's still so many well liked games. Maybe Lunar, but also Lunar 2, Grandia, SO2, the Breah of Fire games, Chrono Cross, Valkerye Profile, the original Suikoden, Tactics Ogre...

If we cant throw FF on there for me it would be:

Legend of Dragoon
Chrono Cross
Suikoden 2
Xenogears

A Mt. Rushmore made up of a bunch of B-tier JRPGs.

wpot posted...

Lincoln led through the Civil War (and no, you can't blame him for the war: he didn't do anything other than be perceived as anti-slavery).

He absolutely deserves the blame -- he could have negotiated a thousand peaceful solutions that would have saved countless lives but didn't, all of which is past the initial separation which resulted from Lincoln's campaign promises.

wpot posted... Teddy doesn't fit quite as well, but he was very popular in the early 1900s.

Teddy was also widely associated with the parks system, which probably helped.

wpot posted...

He pioneered peaceful transitions of power, which have held up apart from the civil war and...2020.

Oh lawdy...

Overlooking he didn't "pioneer" anything in that regard (since he didn't set up that system), 2020 was STILL a peaceful transition despite the Jan 6 riots.

wpot posted...

Long story short, he modeled the balanced/fair values that would be needed to set up a system of government built upon power sharing: that was a big deal. He forced respectful dialogue. The system can't survive the lack of those values (and, as we are running out of them as a nation now, we're falling apart) but it worked pretty well for a couple hundred eventful years based in large part upon his early example.

Long story short, the system you're describing was largely set up BEFORE he took office. And many of the mechanisms were changed in the early days, which is why we have party tickets nowadays instead of the runner-up being VP.

Suikoden 2
Suikoden 1
Wild Arms 1
I guess Star Ocean 2 too.

Revelation34 posted...

I guess Star Ocean 2 too.

Good one, yes.

As for @Zeus ...those are some interesting takes. Where do you get your info? I don't want to derail the topic, so I'll just go with:
1) Lincoln was chosen as the Republican candidate largely because he had moderate views in regards to slavery at the time. He promised to preserve slavery where it currently existed...and South Carolina still seceded before he took office because they demanded expansion. There was no stopping secession: it was just a matter of when.
2) As for Washington: rules aren't rules until someone agrees to follow them. Rules stop being rules once people stop following them. The most important thing Washington had to do in office was to respect the system and follow the rules, and he did. If he didn't we could have gone authoritarian quickly like many (most, frankly) other attempted democracies.

On that note I really didn't like what they did with the remake of Wild Arms 1. They made it like the others in the series instead of keeping the abilities the same.

For mine, i chose ones i kept going back to years later
1.Brigandine
2.Azure dreams
3.Monster Rancher
4.Suikoden 2