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Antifar
12/29/21 9:19:56 AM
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This fall, a pair of middle school teachers from the Salinas Valley traveled to Palm Springs for the California Teachers Associations annual LGBTQ+ Issues Conference. There, on a Saturday afternoon, Lori Caldeira and Kelly Baraki spoke to a few dozen people about a subject they knew well: the difficulty of running a GSA, or gay-straight alliance, in a socially conservative community.

Speaking about recruiting students, Baraki said, When we were doing our virtual learning we totally stalked what they were doing on Google, when they werent doing schoolwork. One of them was Googling Trans Day of Visibility. And were like, Check. Were going to invite that kid when we get back on campus.

Shortly after the October conference, a surreptitious recording of the presentation was handed to a conservative writer known for asserting that transgender adolescents are part of a dangerous craze. She published a story Nov. 18 headlined How Activist Teachers Recruit Kids, criticizing Caldeira and Baraki for actions they had seen as proper: keeping club members identities confidential from parents and finding a couple of potential members by viewing their online activity in class.

One day after the article came out, Caldeira and Barakis presentation on the difficulties of running their GSA would prove prophetic: Leaders of the Spreckels Union School District suspended the club. Four days later, the district opened an investigation and placed the teachers on administrative leave.

The controversy has roiled the small district south of Salinas and east of Monterey, alarming advocates for LGBTQ youth and marking one of a number of recent incidents in which influential conservative voices have forced the hands of local officials.

The episode raises broader questions about educators growing ability to monitor what students do online, which accelerated during the pandemic, and about what responsibility schools have to provide safe spaces such as gay-straight alliances for LGBTQ students who may not have support from peers and parents.

Caldeira and Baraki, who said they have received violent threats since the story went viral in some circles, said they are worried about their students. Both teach at Buena Vista Middle School, which has an enrollment of around 360.

Can you imagine? Seriously, we have kids in our club right now who are out at school, (but) theyre not out at home. The only two teachers that they have ever spoken to have been taken away, said Caldeira, her voice and hands shaking as she spoke at a Monterey coffee shop in her first interview since the district suspended the GSA. Im sure theyre terrified, because where are they going to go, and who are they going to talk to, you know?

Caldeira said the club called UBU (You Be You) had for more than six years allowed students to ask questions they might not be ready to bring up with their families.

Our conversations were always student-led, which is why they frequently surrounded LGBTQ topics. Because the kids have questions, she said. Their parents think we start that conversation, but we dont. TikTok starts it, Snapchat starts it, Instagram starts it or their classmates start it, and then we just try to answer the questions as honestly and fairly as we can.

The district has launched a third-party investigation into the actions of the teachers. Officials declined to be interviewed by The Chronicle, but Superintendent Eric Tarallo, school board President Steve McDougall and Buena Vista Principal Kate Pagaran released a statement Nov. 19 apologizing to parents, while promising that the district would exert tighter control over student clubs and bar teachers from monitoring students online activity for any non-academic purposes.

At the school boards Dec. 15 meeting, member Michael Scott said, I am hopeful a third-party investigation will provide a clearer picture of the circumstances surrounding the UBU club and how it was run, that any subsequent action should be responsive to the values, beliefs and priorities of the Spreckels community.

The Palm Springs presentation by Caldeira and Baraki was similar in many ways to talks theyve given for four or five years, they said. For an hour and 15 minutes, they spoke informally to about 40 people.

Caldeira, who in 2017 won an award for her work with special-needs students, said she requested the presentation not be recorded. We do deal with middle schoolers, she said, and it can be sensitive content at times.

But the secret audio made its way to Abigail Shrier, author of Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters, which has been criticized as unscientific and inflammatory. On Nov. 18, she published the first of four stories about the Spreckels teachers on her Substack newsletter, The Truth Fairy, where she has argued that transgender women are not women and that gender-affirming school policies abuse parents rights.

Shrier focused heavily on Barakis comment about seeing a students Google search for Trans Day of Visibility, characterizing this as surveillance of potential recruits into the GSA.

The Chronicle could not obtain audio of the presentation, but Caldeira confirmed she and Baraki had been accurately quoted by Shrier. However, she said many of the comments were misconstrued and taken out of context.

According to the newsletter, the two teachers said in the presentation that they do not keep roll of who comes to the club and do not tell parents if their child attends a meeting, actions that were not required by the school. California law protects students right to privacy in gender identity and any activities they participate in based on that.

For those paying attention, Shrier wrote, the educators who guide California teachers in the creation of middle school LGBTQ clubs asserted the following: they struggle to maintain student participation in the clubs; many parents oppose the clubs; teachers surveil students electronically to ferret out students who might be interested, after which the identified student is recruited to the club via a personal invitation.

Reaction to Shriers post was immediate: Several conservative outlets picked up the story, and parents inside and outside the community inundated the school district with complaints. The districts statement called the teachers comments as quoted by Shrier alarming, concerning, disappointing.

Caldeira said she and Baraki were blindsided. While the district stressed in its statement that it didnt know in advance what Caldeira and Baraki would talk about in their presentation, school officials were well aware of what the club was all about, Caldeira said.

Our superintendent has attended our meetings. Hes attended our events, she said. Our club has been used as part of our suicide-prevention plan, saying that we have these spaces available for students in crisis.

Lisa Gardiner, a spokesperson for the California Teachers Association, declined to comment specifically about the case, citing the ongoing personnel investigation, but said, We are concerned about a political climate right now in which outside political forces fuel chaos and misinformation and seek to divide parents, educators and school communities for their own political gain.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Two-California-teachers-were-secretly-recorded-16732562.php


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treewojima
12/29/21 9:28:50 AM
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I don't even know what to say other than "fuck off" to everyone opposed to outreach like this
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gamer167
12/29/21 9:31:25 AM
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Speaking about recruiting students, Baraki said, When we were doing our virtual learning we totally stalked what they were doing on Google, when they werent doing schoolwork.

criticizing Caldeira and Baraki for actions they had seen as proper: keeping club members identities confidential from parents and finding a couple of potential members by viewing their online activity in class.


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legendary_zell
12/29/21 9:36:03 AM
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They simply don't think trans people actually exist or are valid. They think it's something blue haired sjw borderline pedophiles recruit you into, that's why they want all mention of it banned. They think if no one hears about it, no one will realize they're trans or LGBT because these are ideas that the aforementioned recruiters put into their heads for reasons. They want people to stay in the closet by force by making sure they don't even know there's a closet or a door out of it.

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DowntownMrSmith
12/29/21 9:56:42 AM
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legendary_zell posted...
They simply don't think trans people actually exist or are valid. They think it's something blue haired sjw borderline pedophiles recruit you into, that's why they want all mention of it banned. They think if no one hears about it, no one will realize they're trans or LGBT because these are ideas that the aforementioned recruiters put into their heads for reasons. They want people to stay in the closet by force by making sure they don't even know there's a closet or a door out of it.


Its perfectly reasonable to keep discussions of these topics out of elementary schools. Even in high school, discussions of these subjects should be allowed, but the school teachers should not push a particular agenda or point of view.
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NeoShadowhen
12/29/21 10:00:55 AM
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Seems pretty sketchy. Unless they make their intention very clear from the beginning, this is inappropriate. Maybe if they make it VERY clear from the beginning, like say hey, were going to be looking at everything you do a google search on.
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Antifar
12/29/21 10:36:42 AM
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NeoShadowhen posted...
Seems pretty sketchy. Unless they make their intention very clear from the beginning, this is inappropriate. Maybe if they make it VERY clear from the beginning, like say hey, were going to be looking at everything you do a google search on.
For context, this is the next part of the article (which I couldn't paste due to character limits)

Caldeira said she did not monitor student activities on her own initiative. With the onset of virtual learning, Buena Vista Middle School began using GoGuardian, a software that is usually installed on school-provided devices and allows teachers to see what students are doing on their computers while they are in class. The software is designed to flag words or behaviors identifying children at risk of harming themselves or others.
According to its website, GoGuardian is used in 30,000 schools with over 22 million K-12 students, helping teachers communicate with students and keep them on task. Caldeira said her school uses the software for suicide and violence prevention as well, but that individual teachers do not have access to that information. The district declined to answer questions about its use of GoGuardian.
Caldeira said she didnt intend to track her students activities online My theory is: If you were off task, the consequence is a poor grade, she said but that one day, as she used the software to chat with students, she noticed one student on a website about Transgender Day of Visibility.
I see a site thats emblazoned with rainbows, she said. How am I not going to notice that? After class, she said, she made a mental note to invite the student to the UBU club.
Baraki had a similar experience, Caldeira said, once noticing a student on an LGBTQ website. She said the two shared these anecdotes at the conference, But that was it.
As for the we totally stalked what they were doing on Google comment, Caldeira said, It was tongue in cheek. She said teachers do not have access to students private social posts, messages and emails.
If the schools investigation finds that Caldeira and Baraki had taken action based on students online activity during class through GoGuardian, there is likely no law preventing what they did, privacy experts said.
Amelia Vance, vice president of youth and education at the Future of Privacy Forum, explained that, legally speaking, an educator seeing something a student is doing through GoGuardian is not any different than a teacher walking around a classroom and noticing students behavior or what they had visible on their screens.

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RedLuigi
12/29/21 10:38:45 AM
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NeoShadowhen posted...
Seems pretty sketchy. Unless they make their intention very clear from the beginning, this is inappropriate. Maybe if they make it VERY clear from the beginning, like say hey, were going to be looking at everything you do a google search on.

This.. or just have a student survey where they ask students what clubs they are interested in joining >_>

Honestly though, they should just have the LGBTQ available like any other club and have students sign up like any other student would.. making all these secret clauses for anonymity isnt needed and we shouldnt be teaching kids that they need to hide.


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thronedfire2
12/29/21 10:39:37 AM
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NeoShadowhen posted...
Seems pretty sketchy. Unless they make their intention very clear from the beginning, this is inappropriate. Maybe if they make it VERY clear from the beginning, like say hey, were going to be looking at everything you do a google search on.

im pretty sure its common knowledge they could track what students are doing during school hours just like employers can track what people working from home do(if they make you install the software for it)

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bigblu89
12/29/21 10:40:11 AM
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Conservatives really need to look into the concept of "That's not for me, but you do you".

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pistachio12
12/29/21 11:40:03 AM
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thronedfire2 posted...
im pretty sure its common knowledge they could track what students are doing during school hours just like employers can track what people working from home do(if they make you install the software for it)

Potentially not individual teachers but admin. And like searching a locker, you shouldn't be doing it unless you have a serious concern about something.

Having said that, reading the rest of the article does clarify how the teachers got that information and I'm perfectly okay with how things went down on their side.

RedLuigi posted...
Honestly though, they should just have the LGBTQ available like any other club and have students sign up like any other student would.. making all these secret clauses for anonymity isnt needed and we shouldnt be teaching kids that they need to hide.

Except they are specifically talking about how it's hard to run a GSA club in a conservative community as students are not open to joining, especially when in middle school.
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sktgamer_13dude
12/29/21 11:50:17 AM
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DowntownMrSmith posted...


Its perfectly reasonable to keep discussions of these topics out of elementary schools. Even in high school, discussions of these subjects should be allowed, but the school teachers should not push a particular agenda or point of view.

Dude shut the fuck up.

There is nothing wrong with what the teachers did.

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sktgamer_13dude
12/29/21 11:52:44 AM
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So many of them preach that and yet every time an LGBTQ person exists, so many of them throw a fit

How can they control your life if they live it that way though?

Its why theyre all rules for thee, but not for me. Like I was rewatching the Q thing on HBO and they got to Epstein and to see the gymnastics people were saying wrt the Clintons and Trump. These people cant be reasoned with.

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12/29/21 11:55:25 AM
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Antifar posted...
For context, this is the next part of the article (which I couldn't paste due to character limits)

That part was the only aspect of this that I had a problem with, and that excerpt provides sufficient explanation.

The explanation for the use of the term "stalking" was not however. And I find it slightly eyebrow raising that this is supposed to be a "tongue in cheek" remark but it makes sense that they let their filters down in what they thought was a private space.

It's very said because things like this UBU club do a lot of good no doubt, and now it's in jeopardy because of the optics of this situation and the resultant reaction. I understand how the parents might feel, but I hope that they hear out those teacher's clarifications instead of doubling down on gay = bad.

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ZMythos
12/29/21 12:12:04 PM
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I teach in Rural WI. The staff is pretty progressive but the community, not so much.

I would absolutely advise any kind of LGBT+ Alliance or something similar, but we were warned by administration that it must be 100% student led to keep any backlash to a minimum.

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Umbreon
12/29/21 12:13:07 PM
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The longer it takes for kids to learn that LGBTQ people exist, the easier it is to convince said kids that those people 'don't belong'.

That's why it's always 'too early' to teach kids about them.

But a man and a woman marrying? No problem there! Hell, you can even make a game out of it...

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12/29/21 12:16:09 PM
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bigblu89 posted...
Conservatives really need to look into the concept of "That's not for me, but you do you".
I heard someone say, Thats not my cup of tea, but you enjoy your cup. and I think about that from time to time.

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HylianFox
12/29/21 12:27:15 PM
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Conservatives attacking both teachers and students, so what else is new?

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Machete
12/29/21 12:27:44 PM
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That is the very basis for and point of conservativism

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AzurexNightmare
12/29/21 12:30:39 PM
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legendary_zell posted...
They simply don't think trans people actually exist or are valid. They think it's something blue haired sjw borderline pedophiles recruit you into, that's why they want all mention of it banned. They think if no one hears about it, no one will realize they're trans or LGBT because these are ideas that the aforementioned recruiters put into their heads for reasons. They want people to stay in the closet by force by making sure they don't even know there's a closet or a door out of it.
What is sjw? Sacajaewae?

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HylianFox
12/29/21 12:31:27 PM
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AzurexNightmare posted...
What is sjw? Sacajaewae?

Have you not used the internet in the last 10 years or what

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Gawain791
12/29/21 12:36:41 PM
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Was gonna post this when I got up this morning but glad someone already did. Disgusting and disheartening that this nonsense isn't limited to conservative states (although conservative areas of CA can give them a run for their money any day)

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legendary_zell
12/29/21 12:54:37 PM
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DowntownMrSmith posted...
Its perfectly reasonable to keep discussions of these topics out of elementary schools. Even in high school, discussions of these subjects should be allowed, but the school teachers should not push a particular agenda or point of view.

If you can discuss or acknowledge that straight or cis people exist at that age, you can do it for everyone. No one's head is gonna explode from that, other than homophobic parents.

Talking about/acknowledging/treating one as forbidden or advanced knowledge is pushing a particular agenda or point of view, as evidenced by the people who are openly anti-lgbt advocating for the same approach you are.

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AzurexNightmare
12/29/21 2:19:59 PM
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HylianFox posted...
Have you not used the internet in the last 10 years or what
Sjw is that Indian right

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DarthAragorn
12/29/21 2:20:38 PM
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hate these shitty people

the bigoted parents, not the teachers

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12/29/21 2:27:33 PM
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treewojima posted...
I don't even know what to say other than "fuck off" to everyone opposed to outreach like this


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CapnMuffin
12/29/21 2:34:56 PM
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I have intimate knowledge of social work in schools within a conservative area. Its tough. You have to do right by the kids but the admin and parents are always a force pushing back. In our state we dont need to legally notify parents of what their kids do or dont do unless its about physical harm. Not sure if this is a public school and what the rules are there. All too often a kid is terrified how a parent will react to something.
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Tenlaar
12/29/21 2:50:47 PM
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I dont find it reasonable for a school to hide the activities of children from their parents if the parents ask about it, especially not with the justification of some parent are bad.
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Jiek_Fafn
12/29/21 2:58:25 PM
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Sorry kids that aren't equipped to handle this stuff and might need a hand, conservatives sticking their nose in this want you fuck off and die.

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Unsugarized_Foo
12/29/21 3:00:33 PM
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bigblu89 posted...
Conservatives really need to look into the concept of "That's not for me, but you do you".

Thats how you get a modern day libertarian

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HylianFox
12/29/21 3:01:15 PM
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Tenlaar posted...
I dont find it reasonable for a school to hide the activities of children from their parents if the parents ask about it, especially not with the justification of some parent are bad.

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It's sad that we live in a world where schools have to account for fuck-up parents, but here we are

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Gawain791
12/29/21 3:01:45 PM
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Unsugarized_Foo posted...
Thats how you get a modern day libertarian
The vast majority of libertarians are just Republicans who are afraid to identify as such, and do not by any means actually believe or practice what you quoted.

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ZMythos
12/29/21 3:04:56 PM
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Tenlaar posted...
I dont find it reasonable for a school to hide the activities of children from their parents if the parents ask about it, especially not with the justification of some parent are bad.
There are already a multitude of services that schools/the state offer which can remain confidential.

It varies by state, but in general they include reproductive/family planning services, counseling, and mental health services. Teachers are also mandatory reporters of any sign of abuse or neglect towards a child.

Thus there is sufficient precedent in retaining/refusing to report information if it may put the child in danger.

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Tenlaar
12/29/21 3:05:03 PM
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HylianFox posted...
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I havent been spending time on gamefaqs much lately. Whats your point?

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If there is a genuine concern of abuse then that should be reported and handled by other means, not by giving schools the ability to keep the activities of young children from their parents.
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DarthAragorn
12/29/21 3:06:35 PM
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Schools should have zero responsibility to parents. Schools aren't for them, they're for children.

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12/29/21 3:07:01 PM
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gamer167 posted...
Speaking about recruiting students, Baraki said, When we were doing our virtual learning we totally stalked what they were doing on Google, when they werent doing schoolwork.

criticizing Caldeira and Baraki for actions they had seen as proper: keeping club members identities confidential from parents and finding a couple of potential members by viewing their online activity in class.

Good intentions bad execution. Should have known that was not appropriate, aint your lane bubbas.
That depends on the school policies laid out in what is okay to do with the monitoring software. If they have no policies or didn't cover the situation that occurred, that's on the school

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hsvhighlife
12/29/21 3:08:20 PM
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anyone who thinks it's a teachers place to be this involved with a child on their sexuality clearly doesn't have children.

sounds like these 2 teachers were grooming kids

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Gawain791
12/29/21 3:09:03 PM
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Just mark #45 and don't engage with it.

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HylianFox
12/29/21 3:09:31 PM
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Gawain791 posted...
Just mark #45 and don't engage with it.

yeah, I saw him in the other topic

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DrizztLink
12/29/21 3:09:42 PM
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Tenlaar posted...
I dont find it reasonable for a school to hide the activities of children from their parents if the parents ask about it, especially not with the justification of some parent are bad.
I'm a Graduate level Social Work student, a solid third of my classmates work in school placements, a huge chunk of my professors work in school settings, I could be in a school right now doing internship stuff if I wanted.

All of this is to tell you you don't have the FIRST fucking clue what you're talking about.

Confidentiality is a cornerstone of school-based therapy, the same as it is literally everywhere.

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thronedfire2
12/29/21 3:13:55 PM
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I cant see 45 anyway

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