Current Events > Is Abby the main point of contention in TLOU2?

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Anyway Spike I hoped my novel was enough to explain why I felt the way I do, dont want people thinking I'm just talking smack without good reason, I loved the first LOU, i thought it was fantastic personally

Murdering unarmed doctors and surgeons is definitely mercifel.

if this is in response to my post, I meant that Joel only died (at that point at least) because he was trying to be a better person, and saved Abby.

Abby being merciful to Ellie and Tommy was the downfall of her friends, but I believe she still would have been screwed (and likely died) had she not been.

Do you mean Badlands (1973)?

I've pointed out a lot actually

you're mostly just talking s***.

People really think Joel telling Abby and friends his name was in character for him?

People really think Joel telling Abby and friends his name was in character for him?

this is just from my pov of course, but halfway through the game you have to play as and sympathize with her via "tragic backstory" and "complex", they are saying to your face that you should want to hurt Ellie as this person, (honestly why would we?) and that ellie is completely in the wrong for wanting to avenge her father figure, however the game tries so hard to make us think that Abby is sane when she's objectively highly sadistic in murdering innocent people, and with a really shoddy reason for revenge (her father is presented as a massive dick and unsympathetic as well), the game tries to present her backstory as tragic and that we should feel sorry for her, but it doesnt work, her daily life, her friends and her faher don't matter because she has no good qualities, this is a character we want to see the main protag defeat,

I didn't get that, really. All it showed to me was that "even the bad guys have their own lives and motives." It's your choice on if you want to side with her or not, because Abby's path to revenge ended up ruining her life too.

Joel was pretty obviously trying to be a better person after the first game. He's not some remorseless killer anymore. He lives in a town, helps people and is well respected for it. The happiest he would have been after the apocalypse.

You mean that he would have been even more careful around a bunch of strangers who are camped out right in his backyard and are there for seemingly no reason, got it!

You mean that he would have been even more careful around a bunch of strangers who are camped out right in his backyard and are there for seemingly no reason, got it!

I could never bring myself to play it because it just looks so damn depressing. I don't need a videogame with such a constant dark and miserable story tbh

he did terrible things, but both Ellie did a lot worse than he did, from what we've seen.

yea, idk if I'd call Joel a monster.

he did terrible things, but both Ellie did a lot worse than he did, from what we've seen.

Shes not even comparable to Joel because his biggest character development in TLOU1 was him eventually learning to open up to people again. Abby has her group of friends and doesnt really mess with anyone outside of them.

Abbys not the worst part, but shes rather the embodiment of everything that TLOU2 does wrong.

Hell, I think Laura Bailey herself was a little disgusted at her character when she went back and experienced the game personally.

Shes not even comparable to Joel because his biggest character development in TLOU1 was him eventually learning to open up to people again. Abby has her group of friends and doesnt really mess with anyone outside of them.

what she did intentionally: she tortured Nora to death, forced a dying woman to a fight to the death by threatening a dying boy

and even though she didn't know, she killed a pregnant woman, but ignorance isn't an excuse

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Honestly from what I've seen the game just looks incredibly boring and full of boring characters.

I didnt mention Lev because unlike Joel, Abby/the game treated him as a sort of morality pet disguised as an Ellie TLOU1 expy, as opposed to them having an older sister or even a parental role dynamic.

Well I WAS gonna kill Ellie in cold blood in front of Dina, but Lev told me not to so guess not lol

Only real fucked up thing there was forcing Abby to fight. We see Joel people to death in 1 and he clearly has done it before. Pregnant thing is fucked up, but what can ya do? Not like Mel wouldn't have killed her.

agree to disagree, because it was all fucked up, IMO, plus Ellie was the aggressor in all of those scenarios.

oh yea, true.

I guess Joel would just kill Abby rather than make her fight, and maybe Lev too

I still maintain that if they rearrange the way the story is told it would be much better. The non linearity kinda screws it over.

Mel tried to kill Ellie, and Ellie didn't know she was pregnant. When Abby learns that Dinah was pregnant: "Good!"

It's different scenarios really. Joel never had revenge as a motivation since the soldier who killed was daughter was immediately killed.

Joel admits he tortured people in the past.

It definitely hurts the pacing. The game suddenly starting over but in a different perspective right before the climax just made the game feel like it was dragging.

Um Abby spares her though..

I still maintain that if they rearrange the way the story is told it would be much better. The non linearity kinda screws it over.

a TV show should be rightly criticized(and i'm sure has been plenty of times) when it suddenly does a 180 that's completely and utterly out of character based upon the entire last season of character development, just to close out the narrative.