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Lebronwon 12/11/21 10:47:12 AM #1: |
https://nypost.com/2021/12/11/fordham-prof-fired-for-confusing-two-black-students-in-class/ A Fordham University professor was fired after mixing up the names of two black students in class, according to a report. Hours after what he called an innocent mistake, lecturer Christopher Trogan, 46, sent a rambling, nine-page email to students in his Composition II classes explaining the faux pas and defending, without being asked, his entire life of working on issues of justice, equality, and inclusion, the campus newspaper reported. The offended student assumed my mistake was because I confused that student with another Black student, Trogan wrote, according to a Nov. 29 article in the Fordham Observer. I have done my best to validate and reassure the offended student that I made a simple, human, error. It has nothing to do with race. He blamed the mistake on his confused brain when the two students arrived to class late on Sept. 24, while he was reading a classmates work. Several students said Trogans bizarre overreaction, rather than making a simple apology, made matters worse for him. The email was a little excessive, one of the two black students, freshman Chantal Sims, told the Observer. We were not actually that upset about him mixing up our names. It was more so the random things he would throw into the response. In the email, he urged any students upset by the incident to to complain to the school. Depending on your response to the officials above, I may or may not be your professor in class next week. Its all up to you, he wrote. Sims told the paper Trogans email stressed everything he has done for minorities. Trogan was a nice teacher for the 5 classes that I had him for, but he never attempted to get to know me personally (in a 14 person class), wrote one newspaper commenter who claimed to be in the Composition II class. I dont think he deserved to get fired, but his response to a small issue was what blew the entire thing up. Fordham spokesman Bob Howe told The Post the school takes personnel matters very seriously, but claimed media representations regarding this issue do not reflect the facts in Dr. Trogans case. He refused to elaborate. Trogan was a popular instructor, according to dozens of reviews on Rate My Professor. He doesnt quite let on how much he knows and what hes accomplished, but he is quite brilliant but humble and not stuck up, a former student wrote. --- Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DrizztLink 12/11/21 10:48:47 AM #2: |
Lebronwon posted... Hours after what he called an innocent mistake, lecturer Christopher Trogan, 46, sent a rambling, nine-page email to students in his Composition II classes explaining the faux pas and defending, without being asked, his entire life of working on issues of justice, equality, and inclusion, the campus newspaper reported.https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/8/6/AABUaRAACFnW.jpg --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SauI_Goodman 12/11/21 10:50:10 AM #3: |
More context needed. Seems like an innocent mistake the way its portrayed here. --- If you can see this message it's a wonder why it hasn't been modded yet by the snowflakes. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Njolk 12/11/21 10:51:16 AM #4: |
There is obviously more going on here This kind of sounds like the teacher trying to gaslight, maybe he's been doing it knowingly all year with a smug look or something --- Suffering is expecting things to last forever ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NeoShadowhen 12/11/21 10:55:46 AM #5: |
It looks like it was the rambling nine page apology that got him in trouble. If they just made the mistake and moved on with an oh sorry, probably nothing would have happened and anyone complaining about something that small would be the ones who looked ridiculous. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dragooncancer_ 12/11/21 11:05:00 AM #6: |
NeoShadowhen posted... It looks like it was the rambling nine page apology that got him in trouble. If they just made the mistake and moved on with an oh sorry, probably nothing would have happened and anyone complaining about something that small would be the ones who looked ridiculous.Sounds like that exactly what is was. Once of the students was quoted. The email was a little excessive, one of the two black students, freshman Chantal Sims, told the Observer. We were not actually that upset about him mixing up our names. --- I used to be with it, but then they changed what "it" was, and now what I'm with isn't it. And what's "it" seems weird and scary to me. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Very_Unreliable 12/11/21 11:06:27 AM #7: |
Let the left consume itself. --- RyuGigas ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Shadow Don 12/11/21 11:10:35 AM #8: |
Very_Unreliable posted... Let the left consume itself. Didn't you guys try to murder the VP who is in your own party about a year ago? --- "The soul in the darkness sins, but the real sinner is he who caused the darkness." - Victor Hugo ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CobraGT 12/13/21 1:05:45 AM #9: |
This is why teachers make seating charts. --- GoldenSun/Crossbone Isle diagrams/ 18 teams known https://photobucket.com/u/SwordOfWheat/a/9990a2ee-25f3-4242-ae79-7d2d4b882be4 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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nothanks1 12/13/21 1:11:35 AM #10: |
Lebronwon posted... We were not actually that upset about him mixing up our names. It was more so the random things he would throw into the response. In the email, he urged any students upset by the incident to to complain to the school. Depending on your response to the officials above, I may or may not be your professor in class next week. Its all up to you, he wrote. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MrMallard 12/13/21 1:13:01 AM #11: |
After they kept correcting him, and he kept brushing them off and calling them the wrong name. And he actually got fired after a 9 page email he sent to all of his students encouraging them to report him if they really wanted, which the school said was unprofessional conduct. --- Thought I saw a mouse kicking in your beak, it was only a skeleton Now Playing: Persona 3 FES, Minecraft, Oldschool Runescape ... Copied to Clipboard!
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What_ 12/13/21 1:14:22 AM #12: |
Fake news ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ModLogic 12/13/21 1:16:32 AM #13: |
up till recently i thought chris rock from Beverley hills ninja was tucker from rush hour --- https://youtu.be/l-iLiNCScno https://i.imgur.com/ZngbqJn.jpg https://i.imgur.com/lbSi0U3.jpg https://i.imgur.com/xaRYKZM.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Stalolin 12/13/21 1:18:07 AM #14: |
This is how these stories almost always go down. Can you believe this professor was fired for not using gendered pronouns!! Being woke has gone too far! *more information comes out, turns out they were really fired for sexual harassment or some shit, which is a reasonable consequence for their actions* then nothing but crickets. On to the next outrage. Almost every time. --- "Our selves are something we create, not discover." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SiO4 12/13/21 1:19:28 AM #15: |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTjV9AMw86Y --- "Whatever the reason you're on Mars, I'm glad you're there, and I wish I was with you." ~Carl Sagan. Currently playing: Flight Simulator X.~PC ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hoodroar 12/13/21 1:20:51 AM #16: |
Damn the spirit of Trump is still haunting Fordham U. >_> --- ~ HR ~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gaminggamer13 12/13/21 1:33:12 AM #17: |
Reminds me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO1oBfG59Xw ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Oh_Boy_ 12/13/21 8:55:58 AM #18: |
Lol, this guy bascially reported himself. Told the kids to talk to the administration about it then gave a woke condescending spiel about how he's been a white savior. He should have just apologized perosnally as the two students personally contacted him about it. "yea, sorry. won't happen again." Done. Literally out-woked himself into becoming a jobless pariah. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VipaGTS 12/13/21 9:04:30 AM #19: |
It seems like a mistakebut then he sent a 9 page email to everyone? There is definitely more to this lol. --- "I devour urine just like my Portland Trailblazers, with piss poor defense." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SiO4 12/13/21 12:07:15 PM #21: |
gaminggamer13 posted... Reminds me of this: Hehehe. I like that they even worked in Hennesy!! --- "Whatever the reason you're on Mars, I'm glad you're there, and I wish I was with you." ~Carl Sagan. Currently playing: Flight Simulator X.~PC ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ArgonHawk 12/13/21 12:08:16 PM #22: |
Yeah that email is so fucking overboard lol --- NeonOctopus's alt >_> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Teh_Dr_Phil 12/13/21 12:26:11 PM #23: |
Id say a 9 page rant is more than just a little excessive. >_> --- Yep. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkRoast 12/13/21 12:33:56 PM #24: |
Very_Unreliable posted... Let the left consume itself. Let the right infect itself --- Razer Blade 15 - Core i7 9750H, RTX 2080 Max-Q, 32 GB DDR4 2666 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Intro2Logic 12/13/21 12:35:01 PM #25: |
Ask yourself: why would the New York Post (and TC) make it seem like he was fired for the innocuous thing instead of the weird behavior? --- Have you tried thinking rationally? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarkRoast 12/13/21 12:37:02 PM #26: |
Is there a copy of the email anywhere? Sure would be interesting to read --- Razer Blade 15 - Core i7 9750H, RTX 2080 Max-Q, 32 GB DDR4 2666 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Underpants 12/13/21 12:51:44 PM #27: |
Good question Shelton ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeoRavus 12/13/21 1:03:36 PM #28: |
A fucking 9 page email because he called someone the wrong name? That sounds like a stable person alright. I've called people of all colors the wrong name before, and vice versa. A security guard calls me my coworker's name at least once a week. When you deal with a lot of people every day it's easy to slip up. --- This is where cool people write stuff. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Akagami_Shanks 12/13/21 1:04:09 PM #29: |
I'm pretty sure he didn't get fired over just mixing someones name up. Let's not pretend like he did. --- yes ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JimmyFraska 12/13/21 1:05:42 PM #30: |
Yeah this guy could have brushed it off with a brief apology. Or one on the spot in person, and then a short follow up email to close the situation if they really needed something on record about it. He did himself in, saying too much, running his mouth. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeoRavus 12/13/21 1:06:38 PM #31: |
Akagami_Shanks posted... I'm pretty sure he didn't get fired over just mixing someones name up. Let's not pretend like he did. Yeah it's clickbait. He got fired for the psychotic ranting email he sent to all his students. --- This is where cool people write stuff. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 12/13/21 1:07:11 PM #32: |
Intro2Logic posted... Ask yourself: why would the New York Post (and TC) make it seem like he was fired for the innocuous thing instead of the weird behavior? --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hitokoriX 12/13/21 1:08:21 PM #33: |
Had he been messing up in the past? Was he terrified of losing his job? There's a lot going on here that we don't know. --- Would you follow a blind man? I would if I was in the dark ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Akagami_Shanks 12/13/21 1:09:23 PM #34: |
The other student said that Trogan has repeatedly called her by the wrong name despite her correcting him. 'I felt really disrespected,' they told the student paper. 'I did not feel heard because every time he (misnamed me) I would tell him, and it just seemed like he would brush it off or that he did not care.' Trogan said that the university cited the nine-page email rather than the name mix-up as the main reason for his termination and that he did not show 'proper development' from the conversation on October 5. Yeahhh things come out as you dig deeper into it --- yes ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thronedfire2 12/13/21 1:09:33 PM #35: |
LeoRavus posted... A fucking 9 page email because he called someone the wrong name? lol yeah theres a woman I work with who Ive known for like 18 years now and she still calls me by our other coworkers name sometimes hell, when I started my new job 2 years ago I couldnt remember any of the middle-age white ladies names --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LeoRavus 12/13/21 1:15:22 PM #36: |
thronedfire2 posted... lol yeah theres a woman I work with who Ive known for like 18 years now and she still calls me by our other coworkers name sometimes One guy calls me Josh and the other calls me Jeremy whenever I walk past them. I don't even bother correcting them at this point. I've worked with them for 5 years. At least they got the J right. --- This is where cool people write stuff. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Chortlez 12/13/21 1:36:20 PM #37: |
The professor made a mistake over 2 black students' names, panicked thinking he gravely offended them, and in a desperate attempt to preserve his career, wrote an apology letter that ended up sounding incoherent and rambling as a result of his terrified state of mind. Said letter lead to his downfall, not the innocent freshmen who had no idea of the power they wield today's academic atmosphere. LOL the irony of this story. I still feel sorry for the guy. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Akagami_Shanks 12/13/21 1:37:44 PM #38: |
Chortlez posted... The professor made a mistake over 2 black students' names, panicked thinking he gravely offended them, and in a desperate attempt to preserve his career, wrote an apology letter that ended up sounding incoherent and rambling as a result of his terrified state of mind. Said letter lead to his downfall, not the innocent freshmen who had no idea of the power they wield today's academic atmosphere.one of them he repeatedly kept calling the wrong name despite being corrected every time --- yes ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Chortlez 12/13/21 1:42:04 PM #39: |
Akagami_Shanks posted... one of them he repeatedly kept calling the wrong name despite being corrected every time I call people the wrong names all the time. I've had professors repeat names of classmates incorrectly for years. Is that worth losing your job over? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Akagami_Shanks 12/13/21 1:56:58 PM #40: |
Chortlez posted... I call people the wrong names all the time. I've had professors repeat names of classmates incorrectly for years. Is that worth losing your job over?if you ignore any and all corrections then get offended when they call you out over it, yes. --- yes ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SSJPurple 12/13/21 2:00:05 PM #41: |
Cmon PC babies this is the kind of s*** that makes us progressives look stupid as f*** In school you never mixed up a name? One time I called my teacher mom by accidentthis is such a stupid overreaction. --- Eternal Grey ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Chortlez 12/13/21 5:04:39 PM #42: |
Akagami_Shanks posted... if you ignore any and all corrections then get offended when they call you out over it, yes. Well, I disagree this is not worth firing a professor over. If it was that big of a deal, this should have been brought to the department head. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IMNOTRAGED 12/13/21 5:29:40 PM #43: |
SSJPurple posted... Cmon PC babies this is the kind of s*** that makes us progressives look stupid as f*** What does this have to do with "us progressives" --- http://i.imgur.com/kkm3QaD.jpg "Be ruthless with systems; be kind to people." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Naysaspace 12/13/21 5:30:09 PM #44: |
My black prof keeps mixing up my name and the dude beside me's name. We are both about the same size, white, short beard....but hes all tatted up and wears a ballcap, i go no-hat + sweaters. Whatever --- #BladeGang ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Akagami_Shanks 12/13/21 5:57:01 PM #45: |
Chortlez posted... Well, I disagree this is not worth firing a professor over. If it was that big of a deal, this should have been brought to the department head.if you read the article you would know he wasn't fired over the name mix up. --- yes ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Prestoff 12/13/21 7:00:00 PM #46: |
The only time I kept getting names mixed up, when I was teaching accounting at a university, was when I had 4 students named Karl Smith (2), Karl Smiles, and Karl Screally. I basically kept getting their names mixed up I had to go with a number system lol. --- DI MOLTO! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hayame Zero 12/13/21 7:04:43 PM #47: |
Given the full series of events: Fair, next --- ...I think I'm done here... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Oh_Boy_ 12/13/21 7:08:40 PM #48: |
Naysaspace posted... My black prof keeps mixing up my name and the dude beside me's name. We are both about the same size, white, short beard....but hes all tatted up and wears a ballcap, i go no-hat + sweaters. Look at the oppressed majority guys. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Chortlez 12/14/21 12:18:50 AM #49: |
Akagami_Shanks posted... if you read the article you would know he wasn't fired over the name mix up. If you understood my first post in this topic, you'd understand the irony of the article and his firing. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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