Poll of the Day > Ahmaud Arbery trial verdict incoming!! Go go go!

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i hope all three of them just explode painfully and violently

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Im all for justice, and I think it was served here. And life in the US is no joke.

Idk about the third guy, but at least the two directly involved.

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BEERandWEED posted...

No. He was an active participate in the murder. He wasn't filming for evidence, he was filming for pleasure. He didn't alert the police or try to stop the murder. He just helped his friends murder someone, filming it for prosperity.

How was he an active participant of the murder when he was in his car filming the murder a good 30 yards away and didn't have a weapon? Did he murder Arbery by telekinesis? Because that would be a cool trick. Like I said before, this is why you don't buy your lawyers from the Dollar Tree.

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zebatov posted...

Im all for justice, and I think it was served here. And life in the US is no joke.

Idk about the third guy, but at least the two directly involved.

"Soon after Travis McMichael fatally shot Arbery on Feb. 23, 2020, his father, Greg McMichael, told police how the pair had armed themselves, chased the young Black man and trapped him like a rat. Neighbor William Roddie Bryan told officers he joined the pursuit and helped cut off Arberys escape."

DragonClaw01 posted...

How was he an active participant of the murder when he was in his car filming the murder a good 30 yards away and didn't have a weapon? Did he murder Arbery by telekinesis? Because that would be a cool trick

Complicit - involved with others in an illegal activity or wrongdoing.

He wasn't filming to catch a crime, he was filming to preserve their triumph. It's not complicated why he was found guilty.

If you are hired as the getaway driver of a bank robbery, never set foot in the bank and never touch a weapon but someone gets killed during the robbery, you are complicit in the crime and held almost as equally responsible.

BEERandWEED posted...

Complicit - involved with others in an illegal activity or wrongdoing.

He wasn't filming to catch a crime, he was filming to preserve their triumph. It's not complicated why he was found guilty.

If you are hired as the getaway driver of a bank robbery, never set foot in the bank and never touch a weapon but someone gets killed during the robbery, you are complicit in the crime and held almost as equally responsible.

Filming a crime in progress isn't a crime and you have no idea what his motivation for doing so was anyways. It was his statement in #54 that doomed him. Even though the video evidence contradicts it in my opinion. Regardless, this is a good example why you shouldn't talk to cops pretty much ever in this situation. What a fool

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DragonClaw01 posted...

Filming a crime in progress isn't a crime and you have no idea what his motivation for doing so was anyways. It was his statement in #54 that doomed him. Even though the video evidence contradicts it in my opinion. Regardless, this is a good example why you shouldn't talk to cops pretty much ever in this situation. What a fool

So he admitted his complicity in the crime. Cool.

And he wasn't filming to catch a predator but to be a participant in the crime.

He was filming what he most likely thought was a legit citizens arrest and was hanging back from the action, but regardless when you say "I cut off his escape" & it turns out that the citizens arrest was actually false imprisonment, then you are going to have issues. Probably, also why it is best to leave this stuff to the actual cops.

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DragonClaw01 posted...

Probably, also why it is best to leave this stuff to the actual cops.

We have. He was found guilty, not on all counts but enough to get prison time.

That's much more than "just filming".

I know this point has already been established. I feel like we are going in circles, I was just missing his statements from my initial analysis, only going by the video of his actions. If he never said that statement to the police he would be a free man, since there was nothing in the video to indicate he committed a crime. Now he will most likely die in prison. He is a walking example to of why you should consult legal council before talking to the cops. The miranda warning says "anything you say can and will be used against you.", so probably best to not say too much or be very careful at the very least.

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adjl posted...

Actually, I dug up the original post, and it's even worse than that:
https://i.imgur.com/RcNS2nB.png

Edit: imgur's being a pain and resizing the image to be uselessly small. Actual quote: "Imagine being forced to shoot and kill someone because they wouldn't surrender. I'd imagine emotions would run high and he'd be pretty upset the situation was forced to escalate."

To be clear to mods: This is not in any way my own opinion and I am stating it merely as an example of what somebody who is racist trash would say about this situation. I myself disagree completely with this statement.

You guys got better memories than me. I forgot how awful he was on this. In my mind I was thinking I couldn't recall anyone trying to defend them. He definitely was.

DragonClaw01 posted...

He was like a good 30 meters away from where the scene was even happening, at least in the video and was unarmed. Merely, following a person in car is not a crime, otherwise all the paparazzis would be in jail. In addition to having a terrible hair cut, the dude had a terrible lawyer.

He wasn't some random passerby, he was actively pursuing Arbery with the McMichaels. If you rob a house with somebody, and your accomplice kills the occupant of the house, you're still going to be charged with murder even if you didn't kill the person, because your actions led to a murder.

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likehelly posted...

i hope someone realizes the amount of effort that went into that stupid gif

I appreciate the effort, but I also can't be bothered to save an actual copy of the screencap. I just ctrl+V'd it straight into imgur, but then it got cranky.

DragonClaw01 posted...

He was like a good 30 meters away from where the scene was even happening,

He sideswiped Arbery with his truck in the process of trying to prevent him from fleeing. He was very much an active participant in this lynching, even if he didn't pull the trigger.

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@Kyuubi4269 I know you saw the topic bb. Don't ignore us.

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DragonClaw01 posted...

How was he an active participant of the murder when he was in his car filming the murder a good 30 yards away and didn't have a weapon? Did he murder Arbery by telekinesis? Because that would be a cool trick. Like I said before, this is why you don't buy your lawyers from the Dollar Tree.

This is absolutely ludicrous. You don't know what you're talking about.

Let's reframe the situation. If X was part of a gang that gang-raped a girl, and X did not rape the girl, but he did deliberately impede her ability to escape and then film the assault so he and his buddies could relive it, guess fucking what? That guy actively participated in gang rape.

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I guess I am old fashioned and only believe you are responsible for your own actions. Bryon may have made the mistake of blocking Arby with his vehicle at various moments (aggravated assault), but at the critical moment when everything was going down he was not an active participant being away from the scene and not actively blocking Arby. The McMillians took it on thier own selves to go overboard and actually confront Arby in person and fire on him. Furthermore, the ultimate murder weapon was a gun not a vehicle, so there was no way that Bryon could've reasonably foreseen that this would've been the result of his actions. If they ran him over it would've been a bit more foreseeable.

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Far-Queue posted...

off the edge of the planet

i dont think it works that way unless you went to the Kyrie Irving university

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I think these guys were shockingly surprised they were convicted but that's the risk you run when you decide to dish out vigilante justice. If you think someone is doing something wrong, call the police and let them deal with it.

That's far better than going to jail for doing something stupid for the rest of your life.

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But what about the difference between the Kyle Rittenhouse Judge and the Judge in the Ahmad Arbery case.

They were like kkknight and day.

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DragonClaw01 posted...

but at the critical moment when everything was going down he was not an active participant being away from the scene and not actively blocking Arby.

Had Arbery continued to run, he would have continued to chase him down. He only stopped chasing because he stopped running.

DragonClaw01 posted...

Bryon may have made the mistake of blocking Arby with his vehicle at various moments (aggravated assault)

"Mistake"? "Sorry your honour, I accidentally chased a terrified man all over the neighbourhood, herding him with my truck by immediately threatening to run him over if he didn't go the way I wanted him to." That's not a mistake. That's a crime.

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DragonClaw01 posted...

Bryon may have made the mistake

Yeah, the mistake of actively participating in a fucking murder.

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DragonClaw01 posted...

you are responsible for your own actions.

You are and his actions helped murder someone.

I hope one day you'll understand that he wasn't an innocent bystander, filming a crime but an active participant in the crime.

I especially like the quote from Bryon that amounts to "I was sitting on my porch and I saw my buddies chasing somebody down, so I did what every American would do and joined their lynch mob." Whether he pulled the trigger or not, his comments, attitudes, and actions surrounding this incident overwhelmingly suggest that he would have if the gun had been in his hands instead. There's some room for leniency because the recording he provided is critical evidence that all but single-handedly secured the conviction, but nothing about his involvement in the whole thing suggests that he's a person anyone should want on the streets.

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DragonClaw01 posted...

I guess I am old fashioned

So are those three felons.

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I'm super late to this topic but is @DragonClaw01 's argument that the criminal videographer was only at criminal fault because he admitted he was at criminal fault. Guess what dude? He was complicit in murder the moment he left his house without calling the cops on has neighbors chasing down a jogging person in their cars.

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SunWuKung420 posted...

I'm super late to this topic but is @DragonClaw01 's argument that the criminal videographer was only at criminal fault because he admitted he was at criminal fault. Guess what dude? He was complicit in murder the moment he left his house without calling the cops on has neighbors chasing down a jogging person in their cars.

Basically. Far as he's concerned, he didn't shoot him, so he's not guilty of murdering him. Except the actual facts of the case include him joining in the chase and very willingly facilitating the murder, so if anything, felony murder's a much lighter charge than he deserves. I'm guessing the only reason he didn't get charged/convicted as an accessory was because his video single-handedly sealed the case.

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adjl posted...

Basically. Far as he's concerned, he didn't shoot him, so he's not guilty of murdering him. Except the actual facts of the case include him joining in the chase and very willingly facilitating the murder, so if anything, felony murder's a much lighter charge than he deserves. I'm guessing the only reason he didn't get charged/convicted as an accessory was because his video single-handedly sealed the case.

If you aren't a part of the solution, you are a part of the problem is the adage.

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SunWuKung420 posted...

If you aren't a part of the solution, you are a part of the problem is the adage.

That's not really applicable here. He was actively participating in the problem, which is quite a bit more than simply choosing not to help. Choosing not to help is generally not punishable by law.

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