Current Events > Can someone explain something to me about rebuild of Evangelion? Spoilers

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It very obviously wasn't kaji who's stopped unit one and the third impact at the end, it was Kaworu. That's shown in the end/preview of 2.22

So why does he get all the praise and credit for dying to stop shinji? I get that he worked under kaworu as seen in twice upon a time, but it seems like no one even knows who he is outside of nerve in 3.33. Like in thrice upon a time, Asuka didn't even know that there were two pilots. She's surprised by the double entry plugs.

So why is non of this mentioned, at all?

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The rebuilds are fanservice.

Just don't think too much into them

Explain Evangelion? No i cannot

And neither can Hideaki Anno!

Don't think too much into any of Evangelion

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Rayman2943 posted...

The rebuilds are fanservice.

Just don't think too much into them

Fanservice that is genuinely better than the original product which isn't really saying much

itachi15243 posted...

So why does he get all the praise and credit for dying to stop shinji?

i honestly didn't remember this part.
haven't seen 3+1.0 tho.

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Still though, why kaji.

It's like one or two lines would have fixed this

Just should have said that he died getting his commander to come down or did that while he also stole the ship they said he was the one who stole. Which actually makes sense. Or at least more sense

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3.33 isn't right without 3.0+1.0 imo

So... Doesn't bother me. Maybe it's a glitch in a Matrix. You kinda have to explain rebuild 1 for it to make any sense, coming not only from EoE but also the original ending. Hey! Maybe this ties into the manga somehow!

itachi15243 posted...

It's like one or two lines would have fixed this

expect 3+1.444 then

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Axiom posted...

Fanservice that is genuinely better than the original product which isn't really saying much

lol no

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Xethuminra posted...

3.33 isn't right without 3.0+1.0 imo

So... Doesn't bother me. Maybe it's a glitch in a Matrix. You kinda have to explain rebuild 1 for it to make any sense, coming not only from EoE but also the original ending. Hey! Maybe this ties into the manga somehow!

Uhh

Okay

Anyways, I'm still confused if they just forgot about that minute preview at the end of 2.22, or it was a reasonable, or some weird evangelion repeat shit. Like the third impact altered reality.

The preview makes it look like a whole different direction was planned though.

Idk, maybe kaji did die just trying to stop unit one or to get to kaworu and the spear

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Kaji was always a McGuffin btw. Yes?

Explain what was in the briefcase.... And how it ties into the final impact. Because that's his character's whole shtick in the show.

Xethuminra posted...

Kaji was always a McGuffin btw. Yes?

Explain what was in the briefcase.... And how it ties into the final impact. Because that's his character's whole shtick in the show.

The briefcase held the embryonic body of Adam. That is actually fairly straightforward until you start to realize that there are four different Adam's in the rebuild and I think three in the original.

Plus the Eva's are confusing when it comes to this.

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I've seen Nadia: Secret of Blue Water and Metropolis 2000. May I suggest starting there?

One of the games has a bunch of expanded bios and other material

And I feel Neon Genesis ties into Nausicaa way more than anyone will admit

Dude just enjoy the big robots beating the shit out of eachother, don't try to read into it.

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DocDelicious posted...

Dude just enjoy the big robots beating the shit out of eachother, don't try to read into it.

But that's the best part

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Found this on reddit

Those are two separate events, which for whatever reason Khara thought would be good to fall under the same moniker of "Near-Third Impact".
What happened at the end of 2.0 was a failed impact that really didn't get off the ground, because Kaworu did stop it prematurely. The real "Near Third Impact" was an unseen event that happened between the two films, in which SEELE attempted Instrumentality using Mk.06, which fused with Lilith. This is the one that Kaji stopped, and you can even see his crashed VTOL in 3.0 if you have a careful eye.
Kaji and Kaworu were put in charge of NERV HQ, because Gendo and Fuyutsuki were most likely MIA, hiding from SEELE after what happened at the end of the film, as in SEELE's vision, it would have been gross negligence on Gendo's part (though unbeknownst to them, he had planned it all out meticulously).

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That sounds correct ^

Still, something is missing from the Op, yes? Maybe Kaworu & Mari share a connection. Both kinda come out of left field and seem like gender swapped versions of the protagonists (Rei & Shinji, who already share a connection) ~ Could this be Asuka's rage at being reborn as Eve or Lilith? At the end? Originally? She has always been the outlier. Is that SEELE's design?

armandro posted...

Found this on reddit

Those are two separate events, which for whatever reason Khara thought would be good to fall under the same moniker of "Near-Third Impact".
What happened at the end of 2.0 was a failed impact that really didn't get off the ground, because Kaworu did stop it prematurely. The real "Near Third Impact" was an unseen event that happened between the two films, in which SEELE attempted Instrumentality using Mk.06, which fused with Lilith. This is the one that Kaji stopped, and you can even see his crashed VTOL in 3.0 if you have a careful eye.
Kaji and Kaworu were put in charge of NERV HQ, because Gendo and Fuyutsuki were most likely MIA, hiding from SEELE after what happened at the end of the film, as in SEELE's vision, it would have been gross negligence on Gendo's part (though unbeknownst to them, he had planned it all out meticulously).

I think this makes it even worse though

If it were just kaji and kaworu stopping shinji, the way shinji was treated would at least make sense. He was blamed for the whole thing either way.

It sounds like a retcon now. Where does that information even come from?

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Mari is also a McGuffin

Explain Evangelion?

Well

What do you think of the intro theme song sequence? Lol

Xethuminra posted...

Explain Evangelion?

Well

What do you think of the intro theme song sequence? Lol

What is wrong with you

Axiom posted...

What is wrong with you

To me, that's Neon Genesis.

It has to come back to that intro. That's just what I love and expect. Which is... Well...

Nvm

itachi15243 posted...

I think this makes it even worse though

If it were just kaji and kaworu stopping shinji, the way shinji was treated would at least make sense. He was blamed for the whole thing either way.

It sounds like a retcon now. Where does that information even come from?

Some guy asked the same question in the thread.

Shinji shares partial responsibility for it happening, because he was the first domino in a domino effect that Gendo planned out. When you unknowingly commit a crime, you're still guilty of that crime, it is just in a negligent manner. In terms of Shinji, think of it more like negligent manslaughter rather than first degree murder, if that helps put it more into perspective.
Shinji's Impact still caused a LOT of destruction, as we see in 2.0 that it destroys a lot more of Tokyo-III that survived Zeruel's attack. The massive explosion Eva-01's awakening causes most assuredly caused casualties. His impact physically destroyed parts of (if not most of) Tokyo-III, but didn't result in any metaphysical alterations (i.e. people being turned into the Failures of Infinity or LCL).

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Haven't seen it but here's my bad OG spoilers: all they did was move on to Tokyo 4

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Isn't Evangelion just Ender's Game?

I find it a bit weird you noticed an edited post

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Supernatural posted...

Some guy asked the same question in the thread.

Shinji shares partial responsibility for it happening, because he was the first domino in a domino effect that Gendo planned out. When you unknowingly commit a crime, you're still guilty of that crime, it is just in a negligent manner. In terms of Shinji, think of it more like negligent manslaughter rather than first degree murder, if that helps put it more into perspective.
Shinji's Impact still caused a LOT of destruction, as we see in 2.0 that it destroys a lot more of Tokyo-III that survived Zeruel's attack. The massive explosion Eva-01's awakening causes most assuredly caused casualties. His impact physically destroyed parts of (if not most of) Tokyo-III, but didn't result in any metaphysical alterations (i.e. people being turned into the Failures of Infinity or LCL).

I mean it makes sense but I don't know if I agree exactly.

Like I guess it just works better in thrice upon a time where only some people hate him. In 3.33, everyone acts like every death was explicitly his fault, while he has no idea what even happened. I don't even know if what he was doing would be manslaughter.

Like, if someone gave you a gun and told you to kill a dangerous animal and it just happened to have a bomb in it that went off because you fired too many bullets or something. Or got too emotional. Or like an accident nuclear powerplant because someone else was doing some off the books test you weren't aware of.

Shinji thought he was doing the opposite of causing the third impact and had every reason to believe it.

On the other hand Asuka is not even human anymore and Mari knows what the Eva's are. So does Ritsuko. Almost Everyone besides Shinji is basically implicit and they all treat him like crap.


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MedeaLysistrata posted...

I was hoping someone would bring up War In The Pocket. It's my favorite Gundam series & reminds me strongly of Evangelion. Honestly, I'm not sure what you think you saw, but maybe we noticed each other. Doesn't that happen? Would that surprise you? Zone of the Enders, anyone? Was that not the beat? I am a fan to the core. Maybe you're the same way. We must be on the same wavelength or maybe not.

Make a manga about it, like everyone else XD The best manga are deeply personal.

Kaworu's arc was really strong in 3.33 and even with the ability to somewhat make sense of why that happened, it still isn't right. You see how well 3.0+1.0 was received across the world. Shinji came into the plot as a blank slate. Shinji has left the plot as a blank slate. The plot is largely metaphorical. Like everyone keeps saying, if you think about the story... What exactly do you expect to find? I'm really not sure what your position on Neon Genesis is. It seemed to me like you were just popping in to bring up the weirdness of Tokyo 3 & how the Angel attacks aren't explained very well, especially with the Europeans coming into the scene through Asuka, and we learn of her trials. Guess not.

People do not really watch Evangelion (or discuss it, or think too much about it) for any reason other than (primarily) their lasting adoration for the main cast. Kaji doesn't really have a real arc tho. In a way, and in a big way, this thread was most correct. I was just popping in to drop some notions.

It was either that or turn the Soulslike thread into a Fromsoftware thread. Eternal Ring. That would have been rude.

Xethuminra posted...

I was hoping someone would bring up War In The Pocket. It's my favorite Gundam series & reminds me strongly of Evangelion. Honestly, I'm not sure what you think you saw, but maybe we noticed each other. Doesn't that happen? Would that surprise you? Zone of the Enders, anyone? Was that not the beat? I am a fan to the core. Maybe you're the same way. We must be on the same wavelength or maybe not.

Make a manga about it, like everyone else XD The best manga are deeply personal.

Kaworu's arc was really strong in 3.33 and even with the ability to somewhat make sense of why that happened, it still isn't right. You see how well 3.0+1.0 was received across the world. Shinji came into the plot as a blank slate. Shinji has left the plot as a blank slate. The plot is largely metaphorical. Like everyone keeps saying, if you think about the story... What exactly do you expect to find? I'm really not sure what your position on Neon Genesis is. It seemed to me like you were just popping in to bring up the weirdness of Tokyo 3 & how the Angel attacks aren't explained very well, especially with the Europeans coming into the scene through Asuka, and we learn of her trials. Guess not.

People do not really watch Evangelion (or discuss it, or think too much about it) for any reason other than (primarily) their lasting adoration for the main cast. Kaji doesn't really have a real arc tho. In a way, and in a big way, this thread was most correct. I was just popping in to drop some notions.

It was either that or turn the Soulslike thread into a Fromsoftware thread. Eternal Ring. That would have been rude.

Well I guess I don't need to sleep tonight either.

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MedeaLysistrata posted...

Well I guess I don't need to sleep tonight either.

Well

I was hoping for a Resident Evil: Gun Survivor post. Then bridge the gap, and leave the crowd in wonder.

Ark Thompson, right?

What's the point of having a second wind if you don't use it where it counts?

If we could go as far as Robot Osmond, that would be amazing. Actually.

Xethuminra posted...

Well

I was hoping for a Resident Evil: Gun Survivor post. Then bridge the gap, and leave the crowd in wonder.

Ark Thompson, right?

What's the point of having a second wind if you don't use it where it counts?

If we could go as far as Robot Osmond, that would be amazing. Actually.

It's 5am and I'm now eating the pudding

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Xethuminra posted...

I was hoping someone would bring up War In The Pocket. It's my favorite Gundam series & reminds me strongly of Evangelion. Honestly, I'm not sure what you think you saw, but maybe we noticed each other. Doesn't that happen? Would that surprise you? Zone of the Enders, anyone? Was that not the beat? I am a fan to the core. Maybe you're the same way. We must be on the same wavelength or maybe not.

Make a manga about it, like everyone else XD The best manga are deeply personal.

Kaworu's arc was really strong in 3.33 and even with the ability to somewhat make sense of why that happened, it still isn't right. You see how well 3.0+1.0 was received across the world. Shinji came into the plot as a blank slate. Shinji has left the plot as a blank slate. The plot is largely metaphorical. Like everyone keeps saying, if you think about the story... What exactly do you expect to find? I'm really not sure what your position on Neon Genesis is. It seemed to me like you were just popping in to bring up the weirdness of Tokyo 3 & how the Angel attacks aren't explained very well, especially with the Europeans coming into the scene through Asuka, and we learn of her trials. Guess not.

People do not really watch Evangelion (or discuss it, or think too much about it) for any reason other than (primarily) their lasting adoration for the main cast. Kaji doesn't really have a real arc tho. In a way, and in a big way, this thread was most correct. I was just popping in to drop some notions.

It was either that or turn the Soulslike thread into a Fromsoftware thread. Eternal Ring. That would have been rude.

First of all, anything gundam is amazing, war in the pocket was a great series, but I don't really see the comparison to evangelion unless talking about the idea in Eva of not knowing where allegiances lie and who's truly a friend or a foe and what happens when you have to fight and or kill someone you love. I forget the original zone of the 3nders story because I was a kid when I played it.

I feel like Kaworu was rushed in 3.33 honestly and only got his character arc truly filled in at the end of thrice upon a time. And a lot of it is metaphorical in a way, but most of that has to do with finding the messages layed out and all the religious references. Most people don't know what the book of life is, the gate of guf, or even the fact that Lilith is not Eve, or even Christian(sort of). She is actually meant to be a demon in certain sects of Judaism(sometimes a replacement for eve or other thing? which makes the humans in eva spawing of Lilith to fight beings called angels quite ironic.

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Xethuminra posted...

Hey! Maybe this ties into the manga somehow!

Actually, fun fact about Mari - at the end of the manga, to my understanding, it's shown that Yui and Mari worked together in the epilogue chapter. Similarly, Mari shows up in the NERV craft or whatever and refers to Fuyutsuki by name in 3.0+1.0. So it can be intuited that Mari goes all the way back to the pre-Second Impact generation - Gendo, Yui and Fuyutsuki - in both the manga and the rebuild continuity.

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MrMallard posted...

Actually, fun fact about Mari - at the end of the manga, to my understanding, it's shown that Yui and Mari worked together in the epilogue chapter. Similarly, Mari shows up in the NERV craft or whatever and refers to Fuyutsuki by name in 3.0+1.0. So it can be intuited that Mari goes all the way back to the pre-Second Impact generation - Gendo, Yui and Fuyutsuki - in both the manga and the rebuild continuity.

The problem with that is she's only 15, so she would have had to finish college by like 12 which is possible. It does seem like she knew Gendo and Yui and was close in 3.0+1.0(Gendo's Yui rant), plus she knows how the Eva's work qnd seems to have that level of education but it's very confusing. She's supposed to be 15 in thrice upon a time

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Evangelion has a lot to do with Gundam. Namely the NewTypes/HumanPlus. War In The Pocket is about as NGE as it gets, I think. Nothing has made me more interested in the rest of the Gundam mythology. When I get a chance, I want to watch Hathaway. Outside of WitP, maybe Gundam Seed or G Gundam? But tonally, it's all wrong. Shinji is very War In The Pocket. Bernie's like a Kaji, Leo, Dingo if ive ever seen one. Compare with Gundam Wing. There's no Shinji there. No innocence. No sacrifice. It's all pomp and powertrip. Fun, but irrelevant here. It becomes Endless Waltz, which is a big tasty nothing burger with angel feathers and snow. I wouldn't be surprised if War In The Pocket and Evangelion share a common influence.....
Oh, what was the name of that Godzilla movie with the awkward kid? In the short shorts? There were a few.

One where the toy comes to life
And..... Another where the toy comes to life lol

I think Hideaki Anno shipped us Ultraman, and that's that. Sentai Ultraman at that.

#shinjinn

There are no Newtypes in 0080 so what's the game?

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MedeaLysistrata posted...

There are no Newtypes in 0080 so what's the game?

Didn't Bernie get killed by a Newtype while piloting a Zakku? Or at least the female pilot discusses Newtypes?

Xethuminra posted...

Didn't Bernie get killed by a Newtype while piloting a Zakku? Or at least the female pilot discusses Newtypes?

I think Alex is built for NTs- check it's model number (it also has a panoramic cockpit for some reason). I don't really remember the details so I looked it up and Christina is not a Newtype and the engineers say she can't make the best use of Alex as a consequnce- maybe it comes up again, I don't recall

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That sounds correct. Not a Newtype but who cares. Gundam wasn't quite ready but who cares. Kinda thing. They made a joke about christening it. against a Zakku

On that note

I think From should just remake 4A. It's a VERY similar experience, emotionally and technically speaking

and people would eat it up.

It was way too strong for consoles anyway. The draw distance & rendering got rough in some places (similar to Chromehounds). Heck. Throw it to Bluepoint. Tack on some more visual battle damage on the mechs to match the destructable environments, add a few bells & whistles from Vday, and a hide & seek mode for multiplayer with prebuilt strategies (like Football. Or Rugby. Kinda. Play your part, react accordingly, and even if you don't win... Your team scores points for sticking to the strategy & adapting right) and oh, man....

It would be beautiful. Ive spent hours just getting lost in the Regulations & aligning boosters.

If they went the Shadow Tower route & included a melee mode for multiplayer that functionally plays like Souls, everyone would be happy! They could include maybe only the heavy weapon movesets, tweak the dodge, add energy shields, and people would play through the missions just to unlock parts for multiplayer play.

Oh God I just started rewatching from 2.22

They apparently redubbed everything and almost everyone's voice is fucked up.

They got surprisingly close but what the fuck, why.

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You can (not) advance
You are (not) alone

Love these movies

itachi15243 posted...

The problem with that is she's only 15, so she would have had to finish college by like 12 which is possible. It does seem like she knew Gendo and Yui and was close in 3.0+1.0(Gendo's Yui rant), plus she knows how the Eva's work qnd seems to have that level of education but it's very confusing. She's supposed to be 15 in thrice upon a time

fwiw, she only appears in the epilogue chapter of the manga - meaning that she's not present in the Evangelion story itself. My understanding is that the manga ends with a universe reboot, meaning the events that fucked the world didn't happen. So without Yui getting sucked into Unit-02 and Gendo kicking off the plot, that generation of characters is able to exist in the world unaltered. So Mari can appear in that epilogue chapter in a gratuitous but fairly benign way that lines up with her role in the Rebuild canon.

And in Rebuild, it can be explained away with the Curse of Eva. Mari is roughly Shinji's age in 2.22, and much like Asuka she hasn't aged between the long time gap between 2.22 and 3.33. So Mari can't be 15 in Thrice Upon a Time except on a physical level, because like Asuka, she'd mentally be in her mid-20's at least.

This is just a fan theory, but what if Mari had been the first recipient of the Curse of Eva? We see her operating an Evangelion at the start of 2.22, and an unconventional one at that. That suggests she has experience with piloting Evangelion units, even extremely unconventional ones, and without knowing more about her upbringing and training it could be because she's one of the most experienced Eva pilots in the setting due to her age and experience with them. This is supported by her knowing how to pilot Unit-02, and even knowing the backdoor code The Beast.

That's not rookie shit. And she fully knows how to take advantage of the Beast mode, referring to Unit-02 with some degree of compassion or affection, suggesting some sort of familiarity.

Rather than being a direct contemporary of Yui and Fuyutsuki, maybe she was a willing teenage test pilot for the first run of the Evangelion units - the youngest member of the early Evangelion experiments who became locked at the same age as a result of the experiments. Meaning that when she ran into Shinji in 2015, she was actually in her thirties - and subsequently, reaching her forties during the time skip.

If you'll humor this theory for another second, this could explain A) why the fuck she's paratrooping into Japan as a teenager in 2.22 - she's actually been a spy and an Eva pilot for decades, so she has boots-on-ground experience with that sort of thing - B) how she knows so much about the Evangelions and how she's so proficient at piloting them in her first movie appearance - she's probably the most experienced and long-lived Eva pilot in the world - and C) how she knows Fuyutsuki - they were colleagues in the 90's, not contemporaries but definitely working on the Eva project in different capacities.

There are two issues with this.

First of all, if this is the case, that's some massive Mary Sue bullshit.

But secondly - at the end of Thrice Upon A Time, she reincarnates around the same age as Shinji. So maybe she WASN'T in her 40's by the end of the series. So take this with a grain of salt.

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She definitely had to be a good bit older than Shinji. But we don't know how much older she was than him and if the age difference during the Rebuild movies is the same as the age difference in the evaless world. The resets or whatever can have pretty major rewrites. Like Asuka going from a regular human to the surviving specimen of a clone series. Or Mari going from not existing to having a pretty important role. Wouldn't be out of the question for the final reset to have altered her birthdate.

For TC's question. I thought Shinji's Near Third Impact ruined Tokyo-3 but was stopped before it could affect the whole world. And then later on another Third Impact happened that Kaji stopped, but by the time he stopped it the world was fucked up.

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You can (not) redo

MrMallard posted...

fwiw, she only appears in the epilogue chapter of the manga - meaning that she's not present in the Evangelion story itself. My understanding is that the manga ends with a universe reboot, meaning the events that fucked the world didn't happen. So without Yui getting sucked into Unit-02 and Gendo kicking off the plot, that generation of characters is able to exist in the world unaltered. So Mari can appear in that epilogue chapter in a gratuitous but fairly benign way that lines up with her role in the Rebuild canon.

And in Rebuild, it can be explained away with the Curse of Eva. Mari is roughly Shinji's age in 2.22, and much like Asuka she hasn't aged between the long time gap between 2.22 and 3.33. So Mari can't be 15 in Thrice Upon a Time except on a physical level, because like Asuka, she'd mentally be in her mid-20's at least.

This is just a fan theory, but what if Mari had been the first recipient of the Curse of Eva? We see her operating an Evangelion at the start of 2.22, and an unconventional one at that. That suggests she has experience with piloting Evangelion units, even extremely unconventional ones, and without knowing more about her upbringing and training it could be because she's one of the most experienced Eva pilots in the setting due to her age and experience with them. This is supported by her knowing how to pilot Unit-02, and even knowing the backdoor code The Beast.

That's not rookie shit. And she fully knows how to take advantage of the Beast mode, referring to Unit-02 with some degree of compassion or affection, suggesting some sort of familiarity.

Rather than being a direct contemporary of Yui and Fuyutsuki, maybe she was a willing teenage test pilot for the first run of the Evangelion units - the youngest member of the early Evangelion experiments who became locked at the same age as a result of the experiments. Meaning that when she ran into Shinji in 2015, she was actually in her thirties - and subsequently, reaching her forties during the time skip.

If you'll humor this theory for another second, this could explain A) why the fuck she's paratrooping into Japan as a teenager in 2.22 - she's actually been a spy and an Eva pilot for decades, so she has boots-on-ground experience with that sort of thing - B) how she knows so much about the Evangelions and how she's so proficient at piloting them in her first movie appearance - she's probably the most experienced and long-lived Eva pilot in the world - and C) how she knows Fuyutsuki - they were colleagues in the 90's, not contemporaries but definitely working on the Eva project in different capacities.

There are two issues with this.

First of all, if this is the case, that's some massive Mary Sue bullshit.

But secondly - at the end of Thrice Upon A Time, she reincarnates around the same age as Shinji. So maybe she WASN'T in her 40's by the end of the series. So take this with a grain of salt.

The issue is that she directly states out loud that was her first time piloting in 2.22

So unless she's been trying to pilot or has something to do with a contact experiment, it just doesn't make sense. She doesn't seem to be a clone either, so that's probably out. It's really hard to give any real reason she can be 15 in 2.22 but be around her current age when gebdo and yui met. Unless something is missing

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Xethuminra posted...

I think From should just remake 4A

Definitely. I doubt they would do that though

Sorry I just finished work and I'm too tired to type or engage further x_x


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MedeaLysistrata posted...

Definitely. I doubt they would do that though

Sorry I just finished work and I'm too tired to type or engage further x_x

They can go back to mech any time tbh.

What else is there? Daemon x Machina? Warframe (I guess)? Titanfall? I definitely doubt we'll get a new ZoE...........

Kids these days don't even know what MechWarrior is.

Transformers games somehow always miss the mark

itachi15243 posted...

The issue is that she directly states out loud that was her first time piloting in 2.22

So unless she's been trying to pilot or has something to do with a contact experiment, it just doesn't make sense. She doesn't seem to be a clone either, so that's probably out. It's really hard to give any real reason she can be 15 in 2.22 but be around her current age when gebdo and yui met. Unless something is missing

Ah, okay. Fair enough. It's been a while since I saw 2.22, that's my bad.

Honestly, with Mari, everything is missing. Look at all the gap-filling I did in my fan theory, lol.

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In my headcanon, the story becomes Big O.

And... Scene

#murdock