Poll of the Day > Possible terrorist attack at Wisconsin Christmas parade, 2 dead so far

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Ferarri619 posted...

From all the dude's social media postings that I've seen, seems like a BLM supporter extremist, possibly a retaliation for Rittenhouse verdict.
I know people are gonna wanna tear me apart for saying that, but something I find sad and disturbing about these incidents is that everyone is hoping it was a member of the other political "team" who commited the crime, feeling like it could be a potential political victory for them, and then when it comes out that the criminal is part of one of those "teams" then they'll still blame the other one, whether it's BLM, Proud Boys, Antifa, or any of these modern movements.
It is sad that support for the victims and families of these tragedies seems to always be secondary in these cases. I think it has been for a long time, even say, after Columbine massacre of 1999. I feel like it's gotten worse though.

You're entitled to your point of view! However, from reports, he seemed a lot more representative of the jaded folks in the middle - he posted lots of stuff railing against both Obama and Trump. I really do not think this is related to the Rittenhouse case at all. I think he was the typical case of untreated mental illness gone too far and simply being a reactive insane criminal.

As far as the bolded bit goes, you're kind of being a bit like that. Of course you're entitled to your POV though, I would just try to temper it with a little bit of doubt. None of us can know at this point, and even my perspective is pure speculation.

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Unbridled9 posted...

I still don't want to pass a verdict as to if he's guilty or innocent until after more information has arrived.

As much as it's good to avoid jumping to conclusions, I don't think there's much chance that he isn't guilty. Short of "I had a stroke and passed out at the wheel," there isn't much you can say to claim innocence after driving through a crowd of people and killing several. The question is going to boil down to the nuances of how premeditated it was, but whether he's got six counts of murder 1 or six counts of vehicular manslaughter, I think it's a given that he's going to be spending the rest of his life in prison.

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you'd have to be pretty insane to claim it wasn't a motivated mass murder

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What_The_Chris posted...

you'd have to be pretty insane to claim it wasn't a motivated mass murder

Or a Leftists or Democrat...oh wait you did say insane. My bad you good you got both those 2 covered.

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Notorious boomer icon Decoy77 owns the libs again!

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adjl posted...

As much as it's good to avoid jumping to conclusions, I don't think there's much chance that he isn't guilty. Short of "I had a stroke and passed out at the wheel," there isn't much you can say to claim innocence after driving through a crowd of people and killing several. The question is going to boil down to the nuances of how premeditated it was, but whether he's got six counts of murder 1 or six counts of vehicular manslaughter, I think it's a given that he's going to be spending the rest of his life in prison.

It's more of I don't want to assume his motive for doing so. I really want to give him every benefit of the doubt because I want what I suspect is his motive to be wrong.

Where did your post go, @Decoy77 ?

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Sarcasthma posted...

Where did your post go, @Decoy77 ?

Where do you think? This leftists commie site doesn't allow anyone to have anything but leftists sheeple think on it so...they removed it...shocker!

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Decoy77 posted...

Where do you think? This leftists commie site doesn't allow anyone to have anything but leftists sheeple think on it so...they removed it...shocker!

i hate this website it sucks so much

*continues to post for years*

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Decoy77 posted...

Where do you think? This leftists commie site doesn't allow anyone to have anything but leftists sheeple think on it so...they removed it...shocker!

Why are you posting on a leftist commie site? Are you some kind of lefty communist?

My buddy Decoy77 said that all leftists are insane, so I really hope you aren't one!

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Unbridled9 posted...

It's more of I don't want to assume his motive for doing so. I really want to give him every benefit of the doubt because I want what I suspect is his motive to be wrong.

That's fair. Given the details (mostly leaving his license behind) I'm pretty comfortable assuming it was a matter of making some really stupid, panicked decisions as he fled the scene of a stabbing, rather than attributing it to a genuine terrorist attack (mostly because genuine terrorist attacks tend to explicitly announce their motive, since otherwise they're not particularly likely to scare anyone into whatever the terrorist wants them to do), but waiting for more information isn't a bad idea.

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adjl posted...

That's fair. Given the details (mostly leaving his license behind) I'm pretty comfortable assuming it was a matter of making some really stupid, panicked decisions as he fled the scene of a stabbing, rather than attributing it to a genuine terrorist attack (mostly because genuine terrorist attacks tend to explicitly announce their motive, since otherwise they're not particularly likely to scare anyone into whatever the terrorist wants them to do), but waiting for more information isn't a bad idea.

Yea. I don't think it was terrorism. Or at least I don't think he INTENDED it as terrorism. That doesn't mean it wasn't intentional though. Or it doesn't mean it's not accidental. Just that he likely didn't do it explicitly to incite fear. There's no point in speculating further though until we get more info and at least his own claim as to why he did it (IIRC the whole 'fleeing a knife fight' thing is being said by other people and he hasn't said anything himself).

DirtBasedSoap posted...

i hate this website it sucks so much

*continues to post for years*

lmao

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There is no excuse for anyone to drive a car into a crowd like that

hopefully he is put away for a long time. He is one of the few who deserves that kind of punishment

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UnMead posted...

There is no excuse for anyone to drive a car into a crowd like that

hopefully he is put away for a long time. He is one of the few who deserves that kind of punishment

I'm pretty sure he's going away from life just from the homicide charges alone. Even if they manage to argue it down to accidental, somehow, I'll be surprised if he ever walks out of jail. The real questions here are his motive and what they eventually find him guilty of as it will cause a massive amount of shock in the current political climate no matter what happens.

Unbridled9 posted...

I'm pretty sure he's going away from life just from the homicide charges alone. Even if they manage to argue it down to accidental, somehow, I'll be surprised if he ever walks out of jail. The real questions here are his motive and what they eventually find him guilty of as it will cause a massive amount of shock in the current political climate no matter what happens.

what is political about it? Hes clearly guilty of multiple murders and violent assaults, likely many more crimes

who is defending anything about him?

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UnMead posted...

what is political about it? Hes clearly guilty of multiple murders and violent assaults, likely many more crimes

who is defending anything about him?

Whelp... Here's the thing. I'm gonna put this in spoilers so anyone who doesn't want to read it doesn't have to.

My biggest fear regarding this is that this is a retaliatory attack for the Rittenhouse verdict. That the man was so outraged at the outcome he decided to drive his car into a parade to try and kill as many as he could. We know he has multiple pro-BLM posts and I'm praying to GOD this isn't the case. I don't think anyone but the sickest and more psychotic people will approve of him wounding/killing not just innocent civilians having a parade but children and the elderly at that. But if he gets convicted on manslaughter or murder will likely provoke one of the two tribes, especially based upon what his own testament and the evidence supports. I will presume innocent until proven guilty even when the person is guilty. I.E. In this case I won't assume the worst outcome and will believe the least-guilty/severe version until there is reasonable evidence and even then I'm willing to at least provide the benefit of the doubt. However my biggest fear is that, regardless of his actions, the charges will provoke either the left or right into mass action.

Unbridled9 posted...

Yea. I don't think it was terrorism. Or at least I don't think he INTENDED it as terrorism

Accidental terrorism isn't really a thing. By definition, a terrorist act has to be done for the sake of motivating political change or something like that, which inherently requires intent. Simply causing terror doesn't make something a terrorist act, you have to be trying to do something with that terror (which usually entails claiming responsibility afterwards and presenting some manner of demands).

Unbridled9 posted...

That doesn't mean it wasn't intentional though.

Indeed. It probably wasn't intended as a terrorist act, but the decision to crash through the barricade and plow into the crowd was very much not an accident, panicked or otherwise. I don't think there's much room to talk this down to anything short of murder; the only question is whether or not Murder 1 is the way to go, given the lack of obvious premeditation. This seems to be a matter of him deciding in the heat of the moment that he didn't care about killing them, which is much more in line with Murder 2.

In truth, though, the distinction is largely academic. Six counts of murder will put him away for life regardless of the degree.

Unbridled9 posted...

My biggest fear regarding this is that this is a retaliatory attack for the Rittenhouse verdict.

I think that crossed most people's minds. The fact that his license was left in the car made me suspect a false flag attack, since that was such a stupid thing to do that it seemed more like a deliberate effort to frame him (thereby discrediting BLM) than a legitimate attack, but with the added context of him fleeing a stabbing he committed, there's no longer a need to presume terrorist intentions.

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We'll see, but I suspect that even 'accidental manslaughter' involving both children and grannies is going to put him away for a very long time or at least ruin any chance he has of not being regarded as a monster for the rest of his life even he gets out.