Current Events > One of my employees hasnt been paid in 3 weeks lol

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By his own choice. This is the weirdest shit that I have ever run into. Remote position.

Guy isn't great at tech, but we've established he can email and Zoom, we've done it before. He starts working with clients and basically ghosts everyone except his friend who also works for me. Dude hasn't been submitting reports for his time so obviously I can't pay him, and he won't return my or my bosses calls/emails.

His friend says he's embarrassed that he's not good with tech so that's why he's avoiding us. But he's still doing the job and treating his friend as his supervisor. Which I'd be fine with if he would communicate.

What the fuck lol. I'm going to fire him, but at the same time I am curious exactly how long he plans to keep working for free

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Jokes on you he's doing this to file a lawsuit for not being paid after you fire him.

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I like the way you think that's "by his own choice".

Right.


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Hare Krishna huh

what are his opinions about pitbulls?

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You are required to keep track of this as well, what's to stop him from reporting more than was done? If that's not possible, you must have ways of logging the work done and need to pay your employees for that work. You absolute umbrella.

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SK8T3R215 posted...

Jokes on you he's doing this to file a lawsuit for not being paid after you fire him.

If he is not submitting timesheets or responding to numerous texts/emails to do so, how am I supposed to pay him?

Sunhawk posted...

I like the way you think that's "by his own choice".

Right.

I like how you think I can force someone to do something

LincolnDuncan posted...

You are required to keep track of this as well, what's to stop him from reporting more than was done? If that's not possible, you must have ways of logging the work done and need to pay your employees for that work. You absolute umbrella.

If he won't communicate and I have no idea how much he's worked or what he's done, how am I supposed to keep track of his hours? I've tried numerous times and he just will not respond.

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Conflict posted...

Well, Sunhawk has never had a job before, so he doesn't really understand how the process works.

Lol gotcha. And if I just went ahead and filled out a timesheet for him he could claim I shorted him. Doing it this way he's making a choice not to get paid. I'm not gonna beg someone to let me cut them a check lol. Dude has grandchildrenand a degree, there's no excuse to not fill out a timesheet and do your reporting.

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Sunhawk posted...

I like the way you think that's "by his own choice".

Right.

How is it not by choice? You gotta turn in your timesheet to get paid....

It doesn't sound he was going to be fired for not being good at his job. TC can correct me if assumed wrong though.

TC gonna get fired so hard when upstairs finds out he isn't paying an employee

Literally one of the most serious fuck ups a business can do

Oh and they won't accept "But the timesheets". As the boss it's your job to handle it

Maybe he just wants to collect unemployment

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Why didn't you fire him immediately after realizing he wasn't going to answer your calls?
Who cares what the friend says. As a boss your not supposed to take any of that at any value other than the absence.

By day two I would have told the friend he can relay a one chance moment to his friend to not be fired.
This whole situation is new to me. Especially when it regards a new employees. I've had employees past the three months that disappeared for a long time as an example. Had to wait two months on terminating this lady. HR finally said okay do it.

In the situation your dealing with. Would have been different.

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t5yvxc posted...

How is it not by choice? You gotta turn in your timesheet to get paid....

It doesn't sound he was going to be fired for not being good at his job. TC can correct me if assumed wrong though.

That's correct. I really like him as a person and hate to do it, but this is unacceptable. If he can't communicate with his bosses, I now question if he should be working with clients. And I need the help, but it's also pissing me off that I can't speak to our partners about what he's been doing since I have no idea, makes us look bad.

Axiom posted...

TC gonna get fired so hard when upstairs finds out he isn't paying an employee

Literally one of the most serious fuck ups a business can do

Oh and they won't accept "But the timesheets". As the boss it's your job to handle it

What part of "if I don't have a timesheet with hours and the required reports I cannot do payroll" are you struggling with? It's not like a 9-5, we make our own schedules and set our own hours.

I'd love to hear how you would handle it

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3PiesAndAFork posted...

Maybe he just wants to collect unemployment

Maybe, but he's in for a rude awakening if that's the plan. Hasn't been with us long enough to qualify.

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Honestly you should just reach out and explain you understand that a remote job can be harder to ask for help on but you want to keep him employed and with him not doing the job/submitting his timesheets you'll have to let him go

Eh if he's terminated he's gonna need the money previously withheld from him. Free labor is not a thing.
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The moment you lost contact you should have informed someone. Frankly the lack of communication from you alone would be enough but to knowingly allow an employee to continue working without being paid

If they don't fire you then they're just as much a fuck up as you are

Will need an update topic next week.

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Brutal_Deluxe posted...

Honestly you should just reach out and explain you understand that a remote job can be harder to ask for help on but you want to keep him employed and with him not doing the job/submitting his timesheets you'll have to let him go

Done exactly that via text, email and voice-mail. As has my direct supervisor and the CEO. I don't BS, told him I totally get if he needs to be retrained and I want to keep him. He's been given way more leniency than anywhere I've worked for poor communication.

Hoodroar posted...

Eh if he's terminated he's gonna need the money previously withheld from him. Free labor is not a thing.

And I'll gladly pay him. I just need to know how many hours he worked. The money technically wasn't withheld when he never claimed it and there's plenty of documentation showing we tried.

Axiom posted...

The moment you lost contact you should have informed someone. Frankly the lack of communication from you alone would be enough but to knowingly allow an employee to continue working without being paid

If they don't fire you then they're just as much a fuck up as you are

LMAO ok buddy, reading way too deep into this. Please point out where I said I never informed my superiors about the situation.
I also like how you're completely ignoring how I said I've been trying and my bosses have tried too.

Swin and a miss

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PoundGarden posted...

Done exactly that via text, email and voice-mail. As has my direct supervisor and the CEO. I don't BS, told him I totally get if he needs to be retrained and I want to keep him. He's been given way more leniency than anywhere I've worked for poor communication.

So long as you covered yourself and gave him a fair chance I see no problem with canning him

I like how some are piling on TC, you dont have to make him out to be the bad guy in every situation just because you dislike him and his pitbull hate

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Not paying an employee is nothing to joke about. That's a lawsuit waiting to happen and the odds are against you, your employer or the entire company if the court doesn't see things your way possibly leading to a massive corporate investigation if the matter is not settled or if it turns out previous incidents had occured "over the years"

To put it simply, no one works for free.


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TC: it's just funny how he's basically working for free since he won't fill out his hours. We've tried multiple times to contact him
CE: GRR YOU HAVE TO PAY HIM! MANAGER BAD!!!

How do y'all not have a way to track employee time lmao

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If the man is working, he must be paid. Even if it's against his will.

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David1988 posted...

I like how some are piling on TC, you dont have to make him out to be the bad guy in every situation just because you dislike him and his pitbull hate

idk, I feel like some people on GFAQs just see red whenever anyone says they're an employer, lol.

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Brutal_Deluxe posted...

TC: it's just funny how he's basically working for free since he won't fill out his hours. We've tried multiple times to contact him
CE: GRR YOU HAVE TO PAY HIM! MANAGER BAD!!!

Pretty sure that's HR's responsibility, if not the employer's responsibility.
Otherwise, wouldn't the employee bullshit his/her hours put on the job and potentially earn more $$$ simply because one couldn't track their employees # of hours put on the job???

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E_S_M_Z posted...

idk, I feel like some people on GFAQs just see red whenever anyone says they're an

I have to agree my good user that some people definitely like that

E_S_M_Z posted...

employer

Actually I take that back. You're fucking wrong.

E_S_M_Z posted...

idk, I feel like some people on GFAQs just see red whenever anyone says they're an employer, lol.

As I was reading through the topic I thought this exact thing lol.

TC's employee is in fact a pitbull.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

How do y'all not have a way to track employee time lmao

A disorganized shithole. I worked for a place exactly like this back in the day. It was on the "honor" system. Basically you told someone below the manager what you worked and they logged it into excel

One employee got fired and later didn't receive a paycheck owed them. They threatened to go to the labor board. Person who kept time was fired and Kronos was introduced

Brutal_Deluxe posted...

So long as you covered yourself and gave him a fair chance I see no problem with canning him

I literally don't know what else to do other than driving 3 hours and showing up at his house with a laptop ready to go lol

David1988 posted...

I like how some are piling on TC, you dont have to make him out to be the bad guy in every situation just because you dislike him and his pitbull hate

It's fascinating how petty some adults choose to be

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

How do y'all not have a way to track employee time lmao

Again, we work remotely and set/choose our own hours. We have a way to track it, it's called filling out the timesheet/reports in ADP.

Wii_Shaker posted...

If the man is working, he must be paid. Even if it's against his will.

That is a terrible precedent to set though. "Don't worry about doing a huge part of the job guys, I'll just wing it and throw a number at you".

E_S_M_Z posted...

idk, I feel like some people on GFAQs just see red whenever anyone says they're an employer, lol.

Also this

Homeless_Waifu posted...

Pretty sure that's HR's responsibility, if not the employer's responsibility.
Otherwise, wouldn't the employee bullshit his/her hours put on the job and potentially earn more $$$ simply because one couldn't track their employees # of hours put on the job???

And if he isn't returning our HR persons emails/phonecalls? Because he isn't lol.

I cannot stress this enough, he has completely ghosted us and we have zero oversight, it's a remote job. If someone knows another way I can get ahold of someone when text, email, phone has failed I'm listening

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Axiom posted...

A disorganized shithole. I worked for a place exactly like this back in the day. It was on the "honor" system. Basically you told someone below the manager what you worked and they logged it into excel

One employee got fired and later didn't receive a paycheck owed them. They threatened to go to the labor board. Person who kept time was fired and Kronos was introduced

ah, that makes sense why you were going off on the TC and thought he didnt report to his superiors about this. If he informed his superiors theres really nothing to he can do unless hes upper management or runs the company, hes an employee there just like this guy

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Won't it be on the company to figure it out eventually?

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David1988 posted...

hes an employee there just like this guy

If you are able to fire someone you are not just an employee

David1988 posted...

ah, that makes sense why you were going off on the TC and thought he didnt report to his superiors about this. If he informed his superiors theres really nothing to he can do unless hes upper management or runs the company, hes an employee there just like this guy

I am upper management. All avenues have been exhausted trying to reach him. Like I said, I'd even be fine with him treating his buddy as his direct supervisor IF he was doing the basics and reporting his time, I'm not hard to work for at all.
Axiom posted...

If you are able to fire someone you are not just an employee

I dont want to fire him. At this point I have to fire him or it will look really, really bad plus we won't get paid. We contract for the state and submit those reports to be reimbursed for services delivered. There's no fucking way I'm falsifying a report to the state by doing it myself and guessing at his hours. I won't say what I do, but the best I can describe it is there's no way I could lie and get away with it if (when) the report is audited.

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This is why remote work does not work well. It's tough to keep tabs on people since we can't stroll over to their cubicle.

The employee knows he has to fill out the sheets to get paid. TC desperately wants to pay this guy and has been reaching out for weeks, but the employee just ghosted the company. Its utterly fascinating how many people in this topic are storming in and calling him the bad guy.

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OpWarpSpeed posted...

This is why remote work does not work well. It's tough to keep tabs on people since we can't stroll over to their cubicle.

Fair. It's a hell of a gamble and a lot of people say they can do it but shit the bed. The crazy thing is he's done this kind of work before just not remotely, so I think he's the type that needs direct supervision or like a 2 week dedicated training curriculum.

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PoundGarden posted...

Again, we work remotely and set/choose our own hours. We have a way to track it, it's called filling out the timesheet/reports in ADP.

I worked remotely too and we had a system we used to punch in and out.

Why do you have to manually report hours like it's the 1960s?

Like the employee is dumb for not reporting them, but it seems like having this basic feature in place would prevent stuff like this from happening.

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TC: I wonder how long he's going to work for free, teehee.
TC's boss: I'm gonna have to let you go. You allowed an employee to work for free, deliberately.

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OpWarpSpeed posted...

This is why remote work does not work well. It's tough to keep tabs on people since we can't stroll over to their cubicle.

I mean, you can't write off remote work based on one anecdotal experience. For most people it works.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

I worked remotely too and we had a system we used to punch in and out.

Why do you have to manually report hours like it's the 1960s?

Like the employee is dumb for not reporting them, but it seems like having this basic feature in place would prevent stuff like this from happening.

When a business has to report hours to a client to get paid, and like the TC said, they pay based on hours worked.

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PoundGarden posted...

And if he isn't returning our HR persons emails/phonecalls? Because he isn't lol.

I cannot stress this enough, he has completely ghosted us and we have zero oversight, it's a remote job. If someone knows another way I can get ahold of someone when text, email, phone has failed I'm listening

Well if he's "ghosting" the company...
but you have access to his public information, why not track your employee down (in person, even if it means to travel across states) and ask him what's going on? If you don't wanna do it yourself, why not get the feds to check up on your employee since you are not aware of his "whereabouts" since you claim he is "ghosting" you?
Perhaps your employee has died within x amount of time that he has ghosted your company, thus cannot willingly make contact with your company since he's dead...

Lots of things can happen you know...

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3PiesAndAFork posted...

When a business has to report hours to a client to get paid, and like the TC said, they pay based on hours worked.

The remote work I did had to report hours to a client too.

When we started our shift, we punched into a system. We punched out for lunch and to leave for the day. Everything was automated.

At no point were we required to manually track our own hours to get paid.

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I'm not sure how your company and this guy's position works, but it sounded like he had been doing tech support or something. Is it possible to see how many calls or tickets he took care of, get a rough estimate of how long one takes by going off of his previous output, and then just doing the math?

I've run into similar things when people outright forgot and then couldn't recall what hours when they did wfh. We all kind of just figured out an amicable solution based on the amount of work done.

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Probably just have to figure it out based on whatever you use to measure his productivity and the time it takes an average employee to make that level of production.

Though you should've restricted his system so he couldn't work anymore until he addresses these problems.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

I worked remotely too and we had a system we used to punch in and out.

Why do you have to manually report hours like it's the 1960s?

Like the employee is dumb for not reporting them, but it seems like having this basic feature in place would prevent stuff like this from happening.

Again, we too have an online system for reporting hours and documenting work done. It's great, but it only works when people use it. This isn't the kind of job you clock in and out of. You work with the client and it can be 15 minutes or several hours per week, plus time spent advocating for them or doing other tasks, that all goes into the bill/report. It's not like John clocks in at 2 and out at 6 to bill for 4 hours. He spends an hour researching/documenting, an hour with the client, and an hour advocating and an hour driving to bill for 4 hours.

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