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UnholyMudcrab posted...

The mob justice scene was half-assed, hamfisted, and forgotten as soon as it was over

You mean when that dude jumped off the building or when they beat the shit after Michael after we saw him 1.) arrested by a dozen cops & beaten with a baton, as they contemplated shooting him, and then 2.) murder a team of innocent firefighters who actually saved his life. because I disagree. What movie like this have you seen before?

Xethuminra posted...

You mean when that dude jumped off the building or when they beat the shit after Michael after we saw him 1.) arrested by a dozen cops & beaten with a baton, as they contemplated shooting him, and then 2.) murder a team of innocent firefighters who actually saved his life. because I disagree. What movie like this have you seen before?

He probably means everything about Tommy Doyle going to the gas station and rounding up some bad dudes and then them confusing danny devito for michael then wasting 15 minutes chasing him around a hospital

like having the town decide to hunt michale is a good idea, the way they executed that idea was horrible in every way

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billcom6 posted...

He probably means everything about Tommy Doyle going to the gas station and rounding up some bad dudes and then them confusing danny devito for michael then wasting 15 minutes chasing him around a hospital

like having the town decide to hunt michale is a good idea, the way they executed that idea was horrible in every way

lets be honest, a lot of terrible decisions were made during this movie


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No. It was great.

That first-person shot as he falls, flailing & howling head all split open like a melon, arm broken from where he tried to catch himself snapped like a twig above the wrist. It was so sad. Thats the other side of the equation. Michael is a lone wolf. They are equally as monsterous tho. The horde.

What movie like this have you seen?

Notre Damme? Frankenstein? No.

I've seen the argument that Jason's immortal being brought up time and time again.

Well, Myers is also immortal, from the looks of the most recent movie's ending.

So Myers is on par with Jason IMO.

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I don't know what Myers is supposed to be these days.

The X Dawg posted...

I don't know what Myers is supposed to be these days.

The Shape Darkness In Human Form

Boogeyman

Captain Kirk

I really liked it and i'm baffled that people are taking issue with him not dying/being more than human.

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Its a 9 out of 10 that Im treating like a 10/10 on good faith. Empire Strikes Back, shes probably not.....

unless

Lorkhaj posted...

I really liked it and i'm baffled that people are taking issue with him not dying/being more than human.

The only thing I take issue with is how bad it was. The writing was awful, every character was stupid, and there werent any good scares.

It might even be worse than Rob Zombies Halloween.

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I loved it

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SoggyBottomBoy posted...

I loved it

So did I. It seems people are watching it expecting Shakespeare and not enjoying it for what it is.

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HagenEx posted...

So Myers is on par with Jason IMO.

He always has been

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SoggyBottomBoy posted...

He always has been

Not according to the last topic we had between Jason, Freddy and Myers.

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Friday & Nightmare are latched onto Halloween like a tic. Dracula, the Wolfman, & their friends are back here laughing their asses off.

Just saw this.

This was a action horror. Michael Myers meets John Wick.

By that, John has killed 210 people so far and survived as much. And if not that, then Batman has definitely survived worst and he's just peak human.

So none of what Myers does is unbelievable. In fact, it's pretty clear the town fucked up big time and didn't even try hard enough.

Xethuminra posted...

The major damage he took in H2018 (his hand) was used this time around

The damage to his hand was not from H20.

Laurie shot 2 of his fingers when he tried to break into her house in Halloween 2018.

SSJPurple posted...
It absolutely did. Maybe watch it again.

Wanna be tough guy douchbag stirs up an angry mob and said angry mob storms a building trampling over people and breaking glass with fire extinguishers

Sound like anything recent in US history? Maybe in January? On the 6th?

Thats not even getting into the mental health subtext

Movie was filmed in 2019. It wasn't about that. It was about fear and what it can do to people.

Tommy was the little kid Laurie was babysitting. His entire life was fucked up by that night. He wanted to end this and wrapped up everyone into hysteria.

HagenEx posted...
I've seen the argument that Jason's immortal being brought up time and time again.

Well, Myers is also immortal, from the looks of the most recent movie's ending.

So Myers is on par with Jason IMO.

That's a pretty huge leap.

He's a very strong human. I mean, going back to Batman, he's a peak human and I'm pretty sure he's taken it worse than Michael ever did.

Immortal would make more sense if the military came in and blasted him and he still got up.

The town was disorganized and was hitting him with wooden sticks.

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Why is this a hot topic

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the best way to watch this franchise

halloween halloween 2 and H20

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I mean he was always more than human based on the original anyways.

MedeaLysistrata posted...

Why is this a hot topic

halloween is probably the most famous horror franchise ever?

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The X Dawg posted...

I mean he was always more than human based on the original anyways.

What makes Michael interesting is kinda the anti-thesis of what makes stuff like Psycho interesting.... being that you think hes a normal person. You know hes a normal person, but when you get locked in a room with him alone.... The lights seem to dim, the walls close in on you, your strength leaves your legs, he grows 2 feet taller, and despite every rational bone in your body telling you the contrary..... there is a truly sinister presence in the room. And all of a sudden its chaos & people are dying & then hes gone and you try to rationalize it all over again in this vicious cycle. Unlike Norman Bates who is a big one and done once you learn his secret.

chrono625 posted...

halloween is probably the most famous horror franchise ever?

friday the 13th is more famous

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AceMos posted...

friday the 13th is more famous

With who?

AceMos posted...

friday the 13th is more famous

absolutely not.

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Any sequel must be viewed with the understanding that it cannot possibly match par with the original, and I don't just mean in terms of quality.

'78 ended with the Shape transforming into disembodied fear. Continuing the story in any kind of sequel inherently undermines that original mythos.

To be fair, I enjoy all the Halloween movies. But the only way to truly honor Michael's character, the only "timeline" that preserves the legend, is to watch the original and leave it at that.

trash

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It felt pretty rushed at the end.

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XxKrazyChaosxX posted...

It felt pretty rushed at the end.

I believe that was intentional. Like they were rewinding a video tape. Except the story is actually still moving forward, but what youre seeing is an almost perfect reversal of what just happened.

Like, lol, ending spoilers and that was the night we killed Michael Myers. [shows dead myers] Evil died that Halloweens eve. Only..... thats not what happened. [myers gets up] Evil always comes back. [myers attacks the mob] In some shape, or in some form. [myers kills tommy doyle] so in like 2 minutes, the 6 minute fight they just had was basically undone. I loved it.

You just gotta watch. Laurie is basically the narrator, doing her thing from thb Hospital. And she never meets Michael face to face in this one (thanks for pointing that out to me!) so, like the scene is switching back and forth between hospital and Michael gettting back up. Its cool. And then there is one more scene.

The very last shot is a pretty classic slasher villain move too. Dont think Michael has ever quite done that to a survivor at their house at the end like that. Freddy does pretttty frequently tho. Isnt he #2? Anyway

^thats the gist of it.

#withwhom, #theonearmedman!

bump

Was good until the town beat down. Would have been better if there were a lot more people stomping the shit out of Michael for a few more minutes because it seems like they stopped way too soon. Michael getting up after the beat down is fine. It would have been cool to see the townsfolk slowly realize how ineffective their attacks are as Michael whittles their mob down to a few.

I didn't like Karen's sudden death either.

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

I didn't like Karen's sudden death either.

The moment in her heart she began to believe in the boogeyman, looking out that glass door, recollecting the nights events in her mind, is the moment he appeared from the shadows like a wrecking ball shattering glass. Slash after slash and roll the credits. I loved it. From so many different perspectives too.

Xethuminra posted...

The moment in her heart she began to believe in the boogeyman, looking out that glass door, recollecting the nights events in her mind, is the moment he appeared from the shadows like a wrecking ball shattering glass. Slash after slash and roll the credits. I loved it. From so many different perspectives too.

I like that part. I suppose I actually have an issue with pacing at the end. I wanted to see a longer, more brutal beat down leading into a surprise gradual comeback massacre. I imagine Michael taking several more killing blows like a curb stomp or bullet to the eye hole... only to keep getting back up to kill more angry mob until Tommy dies and the remaining townsfolk disperse.

On first watch I remember wondering if Karen and the mob dying was a dream or if Michael gained supernatural powers.

Am I actually about to go watch this movie again?

Its getting annoying at this point that everyone who wants to make their mark on the series wants to leave the mystical curse of the thorn BS in the past, yet still have Michael be an indestructible, supernatural killer. Bleeds yet never dies. They could have had a decent ending with this one yet they insist on setting up for another one.

Kills continues the series tradition of a promising new entry being followed by a dud. Meh. Maybe the next one will be better. :/

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This movie is about the Curse of Thorn.

Hence, the hand

Xethuminra posted...

This movie is about the Curse of Thorn.

Hence, the hand

lol what

there was nothing in the movie to suggest anything to do with the curse.

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Teh_Dr_Phil posted...

lol what

there was nothing in the movie to suggest anything to do with the curse.

Sure there was. You were just talking about it. On the other hand, you know, the Curse of Thorn story isnt that great. Michael may as well have a ....... special Silver Shamrock mask or something. Not to mention its been retconned twice already

Its the worst part of Halloween.

Also

The Hand! and the mythology is the same. The more he kills, the more he transcends. Theres tons of other supernatural implications. Its better than the Curse of Thorn. Its The Shape!

Xethuminra posted...

Sure there was. You were just talking about it. On the other hand, you know, the Curse of Thorn story isnt that great. Michael may as well have a ....... special Silver Shamrock mask or something. Not to mention its been retconned twice already

Its the worst part of Halloween.

Also

The Hand!

The silver shamrock masks were a nod, nothing more, nothing less. I thought it was a rather hilarious touch.

The curse also came about as a way to attempt to explain Michaels supposed immortality, hence my pointthis is the second time weve had a retcon now that relegates that to obscurity, yet the same filmmaker still wants to have Michael be this unstoppable killing machine that bleeds yet never dies.

That doesnt mean this has anything to do with the curse. Its a condemnation of them wanting to retcon it without establishing any reason as to why this middle-ages mental patient should be able to withstand half of what is thrown at him.

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Teh_Dr_Phil posted...

The silver shamrock masks were a nod, nothing more, nothing less. I thought it was a rather hilarious touch.

The curse also came about as a way to attempt to explain Michaels supposed immortality, hence my pointthis is the second time weve had a retcon now that relegates that to obscurity, yet the same filmmaker still wants to have Michael be this unstoppable killing machine that bleeds yet never dies.

That doesnt mean this has anything to do with the curse. Its a condemnation of them wanting to retcon it without establishing any reason as to why this middle-ages mental patient should be able to withstand half of what is thrown at him.

I expect better of you.

Youve essentially taken the point of the movie and flipped it on its head by making a criticism. I also feel I am being asked to explain something that is both notoriously hard to explain by nature.... and should not have to be explained, as a given. Not to mention were almost deviating from the point. Do you not see any correlation between the Curse of Thorn imagery & Michaels handprint? Especially in *that* sequence. Was the ending not a Nightmare On Elm St reference, basically?

Remember, Halloween has always been this. They just made him old on top of it. And the Silver Shamrock masks are a lot more than just a nod, man. But its ok.

Halloween is cerebral and nebulous. Its almost Lovecraftian at its best. The audiences only connection to that fact in DIALOGUE is through crazy Dr Loomis. Everyone else says Michael is a normal human. When we see him, hes clearly got some superhuman abilities or extremely extraordinary abilities. They never really explain why. Maybe hes just evil. Michael is basically a berserker like a guy on PCP it even a mom flipping a car to save her child. Hulk strength. Who knows. Maybe he is the devil! The evil in all of us. Sort of stuff

by not having a Curse of Thorn ^ we gain what I just said. Which was in line with the original movie and what makes this all so good. That being said? Like I said they explained that Michael has the curse and gains the power without calling it by name.

Laurie is our Loomis

Last question

So why did they make the nod?

I dont expect a real answer. And hey, maybe I dont expect better from you! I take it back

I expect better of you - random upset user

I have no idea who you are, friend, nor do I care. The movie was a rushed turd. The masks were just a nod. The curse is not here (yet they still want him to be indestructible). Deal with the criticism.

Until the people at the helm of these series learn to preemptively address criticism like this with, yknow, some decent exposition, these movies will continue to be nothing more than mildly successful clunkers that often leave the future viability of the series in question.

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Exposition is generally very lowbrow. Thats how we get Dark City & Blade Runner fiascos.

Ah, youre trolling. Got it. Almost had me there, bud. 7/10.

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And youve resorted to calling the kettle black. Keep editing your posts there, bud.

Great delete

Teh_Dr_Phil posted...

I expect better of you - random upset user

I have no idea who you are, friend, nor do I care. The movie was a rushed turd. The masks were just a nod. The curse is not here (yet they still want him to be indestructible). Deal with the criticism.

Until the people at the helm of these series learn to preemptively address criticism like this with, yknow, some decent exposition, these movies will continue to be nothing more than mildly successful clunkers that often leave the future viability of the series in question.

$50+ million isn't "mildly successful", that's from just 4 days of being in theaters. Despite what critics and reviewers say, the movie is good and box office sales prove as much.

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Cow-tipper?

**shocked Hoth Han face**

Mr_Karate_II posted...

$50+ million isn't "mildly successful", that's from just 4 days of being in theaters. Despite what critics and reviewers say, the movie is good and box office sales prove as much.

Its interesting to think of this as the sixth best opening of the pandemic to be sure. Would it have been this successful with more worthwhile
competition? Who knows? What if the pandemic werent a think and this was not released on peacock? The real test will be next year depending on what Halloween Ends is up against, streaming vs theaters, and reviews/word of mouth then.

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Teh_Dr_Phil posted...

Its interesting to think of this as the sixth best opening of the pandemic to be sure. Would it have been this successful with more worthwhile
competition? Who knows? What if the pandemic werent a think and this was not released on peacock? The real test will be next year depending on what Halloween Ends is up against, streaming vs theaters, and reviews/word of mouth then.

Thats the thing. It took me a full year to muster up the courage to watch Halloween 2018 (The New H2O)

just trust me. I dont think this movie really works without having seen the one from 2018. You can probably stream it somewhere. If you feel as I do, go watch Halloween Kills. Lets put our money where our mouths are. We wanted this. They actually made it. Good people are in charge of this franchise now. Pls pay ur respects or you know....

let us enjoy our movie, yknow?