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Well?

A real movie

wouldnt be surprised if a lot of people dont get it. I wanna hand someone an Oscar for Big John & Little John

I didn't watch it yet, but I did read a plot summary and if it's anywhere close to accurate then LOL this is maybe the most ridiculous horror movie in terms of the main villain surviving.

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s0nicfan posted...

I didn't watch it yet, but I did read a plot summary and if it's anywhere close to accurate then LOL this is maybe the most ridiculous horror movie in terms of the main villain surviving.

Um no

Michael Myers has been gunned down by a firing squad. Not to mention shot in the face. This is what it is for good reason. Its not ridiculous. Its the best. Borderline ridiculous, absolutely. From the get go they make it clear that theyre treating him like a supernatural apparition.

Xethuminra posted...

Um no

Michael Myers has been gunned down by a firing squad. Not to mention shot in the face. This is what it is for good reason. Its not ridiculous. Its the best. Borderline ridiculous, absolutely. From the get go they make it clear that theyre treating him like a supernatural apparition.

I'm not really considering stuff from any of the movies that have been rendered non-canon by this new series. Maybe the synopsis does a bad job of describing things, but specifically I'm talking about how a literal mob had him completely outnumbered and beaten down and they just kind of stop and walk away because they think they've killed him, all as an excuse to give him a knife so that he can just murder them one by one as they come back. If they want to treat him like a supernatural entity, fine, but we're starting to get into stupid territory here with characters continually assuming he's dead rather than doing the supernatural movie thing and behead him, or stab him directly in the heart, OR set him on fire and watch to make sure that his body has been destroyed.

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s0nicfan posted...

I'm not really considering stuff from any of the movies that have been rendered non-canon by this new series. Maybe the synopsis does a bad job of describing things, but specifically I'm talking about how a literal mob had him completely outnumbered and beaten down and they just kind of stop and walk away because they think they've killed him, all as an excuse to give him a knife so that he can just murder them one by one as they come back. If they want to treat him like a supernatural entity, fine, but we're starting to get into stupid territory here with characters continually assuming he's dead rather than doing the supernatural movie thing and behead him, or stab him directly in the heart, OR set him on fire and watch to make sure that his body has been destroyed.

Kind of. A few of the main characters walk off but the vast majority stay behind the finish the job. Like theyre gonna hang him or torture him to death. They decide to walk up and just shoot him in the head and be done with it. Michael turns the towns vengeance against them and pulls the knife out of his back that was way to close to the top of his shoulder....... and grabs the citizen who walked up to shoot him point blank while he was down.

Now michael has a human shield. He catches them by surprise and easily kills every last one of them. End of story.

Speaking generally about the character and this new continuity: honestly, I think for me it's the indecisiveness around the extent to which he may be supernatural that causes problems for me. With Freddy or Chucky or any of the horror villains that are obviously magical in nature, the characters go to extreme lengths to destroy their bodies specifically because they know stabbing them isn't going to work. Michael Myers is in this perpetual limbo where they simultaneously want you to think that a stab or a gunshot won't put him down, but the entire world he's in refuses to believe that they need to do anything more than conventional things to kill him for good.

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Someone got Terminator in my Halloween. It was okay though.

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s0nicfan posted...

Speaking generally about the character and this new continuity: honestly, I think for me it's the indecisiveness around the extent to which he may be supernatural that causes problems for me. With Freddy or Chucky or any of the horror villains that are obviously magical in nature, the characters go to extreme lengths to destroy their bodies specifically because they know stabbing them isn't going to work. Michael Myers is in this perpetual limbo where they simultaneously want you to think that a stab or a gunshot won't put him down, but the entire world he's in refuses to believe that they need to do anything more than conventional things to kill him for good.

Yes but at the beginning of the movie, they establish that Michael is now being treated as an apparition who can appear and disappear at will, and is completely impervious to gunshots. Like it was Pulp Fiction. Also, they embrace a different side of Halloween that a lot of us OG fans are not with.

He killed people with the Season of the Witch masks dude

you just gotta see it.

weren't people hyped about these movies because it was supposed to make the killer less supernatural? wasn't that the reason they claimed that the rob zombie movies, or hell even the original ones after halloween 1 were bad? i guess that's been thrown out the window?

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monkmith posted...

weren't people hyped about these movies because it was supposed to make the killer less supernatural? wasn't that the reason they claimed that the rob zombie movies, or hell even the original ones after halloween 1 were bad? i guess that's been thrown out the window?

No. Thats the brilliant part,

At the beginning of the movie, the first thing they do is own him by the cops so, we get to see how he got captured to begin with :)

I can't really describe how much I hated most of the characters in this.
Like the overall idea for the plot is pretty good, but the execution is terrible.

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Nonsensical.

The characters made choices that were too dumb for even horrors.

Also, the director clearly stated Michael is not supernatural, so it's even stupider he survives. It's an old ass man and he kills like 40 people in this one and it's because nobody has guns when you need them, and when you don't, they miss anyway.

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It was a complete mess.

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Completely terrible

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story and contrivance aside, it was a great slasher movie.

but yeah

the amount of stupid and nonsense that allowed him to survive and then the reason he doesnt die is because hes either super natural or the message is that we cant solve violence with violence is absurd. So what happens? Do they just let him live in his house and leave him alone? Do they burn the house down to the ground? Do they relocate the home to the moon?

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Pretty awful

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chrono625 posted...

story and contrivance aside, it was a great slasher movie.

It really wasnt.

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au_gold posted...

It really wasnt.

the kills were top notch and the cinematography was very good.

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The shots didnt miss. Lots of viewers missed the subtlety because he actually gets shot numerous times. Who knows. Maybe Michael is cauterizing his own wounds ;) Or maybe he was transformed in the flames at the end of the last movie. If you really watched it, the final shot has Michael doing Freddys signature move where he drags a surviving character through glass at the verrrry end of the movie, or appears when they think its all over at their home. Interestingly, this is also a character who experienced growth because she... you guessed it.... didnt BELIEVE in Michael until that moment. And thats when he kills her. So its hitting all these different notes.

Maybe some people are too busy writing their own screenplays & not doing enough watching? I have a lot more tolerance for inaccurate appreciation than I do inaccurate criticism.

its like, did we even watch the same movie?

chrono625 posted...

the kills were top notch and the cinematography was very good.

Yeah, but slasher movies are supposed to be suspenseful and scary. This wasnt either of those.

If youre just looking for good gore, then it delivers.

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au_gold posted...

Yeah, but slasher movies are supposed to be suspenseful and scary. This wasnt either of those.

If youre just looking for good gore, then it delivers.

its hard to deliver suspense and surprise in slasher movies when every single slasher trope has been done numerous times over many, many movies. So Im willing to waive that criticism. but I respect your view of that.

The last movie that delivered on all counts imo was the original scream.

I mean - the scene at the park where he holds the skull kids head in the mask was pretty fucking great for that moment to create some fear


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If you didnt like it, then you didnt like it. But dont say its bad. That doesnt make something else better by comparison.

Halloween
Metroid
Evangelion
Demons Souls
Kotor

these are paths we must largely walk by ourselves

When I think of Halloween, I think of creeping dread and the terror of being stalked. That's, uh, that's not what Halloween Kills offers.

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Xethuminra posted...

If you didnt like it, then you didnt like it. But dont say its bad. That doesnt make something else better by comparison.

Halloween
Metroid
Evangelion
Demons Souls
Kotor

these are paths we must largely walk by ourselves

it wasnt necessarily good either to be completely fair. There were a few parts that were completely unnecessary. Many parts that are just fucking asinine and dumb Lonnie going into the house alone??? Haha come on now.

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Xethuminra posted...

The shots didnt miss. Lots of viewers missed the subtlety because he actually gets shot numerous times. Who knows. Maybe Michael is cauterizing his own wounds ;) Or maybe he was transformed in the flames at the end of the last movie. If you really watched it, the final shot has Michael doing Freddys signature move where he drags a surviving character through glass at the verrrry end of the movie, or appears when they think its all over at their home. Interestingly, this is also a character who experienced growth because she... you guessed it.... didnt BELIEVE in Michael until that moment. And thats when he kills her. So its hitting all these different notes.

Maybe some people are too busy writing their own screenplays & not doing enough watching? I have a lot more tolerance for inaccurate appreciation than I do inaccurate criticism.

its like, did we even watch the same movie?

You're making up a lot when it's never implied.

Micahel constantly got lucky. Did you watch the same movie? He survived the fire because dumbass Laurie built a room down there with roller shutters. He just hid in that.

Every character that shot at him missed till the mob scene at the end. Those were fresh wounds, which is why he was able to get up.

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Was it studio meddling? How did they go from the brilliant 2018 movie to this piece of dog shit?

archedsoul posted...

You're making up a lot when it's never implied.

Micahel constantly got lucky. Did you watch the same movie? He survived the fire because dumbass Laurie built a room down there with roller shutters. He just hid in that.

Every character that shot at him missed till the mob scene at the end. Those were fresh wounds, which is why he was able to get up.

Well, yeah, but you could have just said that from the getgo.

Also, not sure why were ignoring the damage he takes throughout the film, or the fact that this movie makes a point at driving home the supernatural implication. I go this way, you go that way, I go both ways, you go no ways, you know? I mean. Not sure what reaction youre looking for here.

Xethuminra posted...

Well, yeah, but you could have just said that from the getgo.

Also, not sure why were ignoring the damage he takes throughout the film, or the fact that this movie makes a point at driving home the supernatural implication. I go this way, you go that way, I go both ways, you go no ways, you know? I mean. Not sure what reaction youre looking for here.

The director said he's not supernatural. Just that he can do crazy things. Definitely not impossible things like teleporting.

Also, I don't think he takes much damage. As I said, he gets lucky throughout most of the movie. He finally gets his ass beat, but it's just a bunch of bats, sticks and a knife. No heavy artillery.

Even then, it becomes stupid because he's still an old ass man. It would be bit more believable if it was young Michael.

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archedsoul posted...

The director said he's not supernatural. Just that he can do crazy things. Definitely not impossible things like teleporting.

Also, I don't think he takes much damage. As I said, he gets lucky throughout most of the movie. He finally gets his ass beat, but it's just a bunch of bats, sticks and a knife. No heavy artillery.

Even then, it becomes stupid because he's still an old ass man. It would be bit more believable if it was young Michael.

I legitimately dont care that much if the director said that, and Im not sure what the director said, or why it was said. I dont care because the content of the film speaks for itself, and its clear on a surface level that they aimed to film him as a man while creating a sense of supernatural power using mostly the editing and other camera tricks. So,

They intentionally caused confusion & raised questions & tried to hit both sides of the spectrum. Forget the demographic. Sometimes I myself wanna see Michael as a supernatural force..... and other times I want to see him just as a regular serial killer thing. The movie understands that & delivered something of a tolerable middle-ground. They film him appearing and disappearing at will, tanking bullets that appear to go right through him, and the climax gag involves the infamous serial killer slow walk vs someone running from them

Michael Myers once pushed his thumb threw someones forehead. Hes been blasted to kingdom come by a firing squad. Hes been shot in the head. Hes been burned. Hes been crushed. Hes been impaled. The major damage he took in H2018 (his hand) was used this time around to make him appear more like a ghost or a monster, with an inhuman handprint, and doesnt hinder him whatsoever.

Oh they shot him, but oh the didnt shoot him, but oh he could have survived because they were fresh, but oh he couldnt have survived, I mean.... This isnt criticism, man. This is how you enjoy the movie :) Was it good was it bad? Do I like these characters do I not? Do I need to watch the movie a 2nd time? Hows my memory? How are the discussions going, etc

as some one who roots for the villain I thought the happy ending was rad as fuck.

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BuckVanHammer posted...

as some one who roots for the villain I thought the happy ending was rad as fuck.

Because the villain undoes all their hard work in about 40 seconds during an epilogue and then it ends on the traditional slasher shock & lock?

me too

cuh posted...

I just came back from it. To start, Im not a huge horror fan, nor a big enough Halloween fan (Ive seen the original, one or two sequels, and the 2018 one, which I did like a lot. It was badass. The three women fighting Michael in the house? So awesome. This movie actually made me want to rewatch it lol)

I do agree with the critiques on certain things. The characters are so dumb. The mob stuff was dumb too. I didnt like the we are the true monsters! We led an innocent man to suicide! stuff. But I did like the townspeople hanging together to go after him. I just didnt like that we got two mass killings by Michaelits a bit too unbelievable (Im talking about the firefighter killings and then the mob killings at the end).

But I still enjoyed it. It was fun being back in the theater (I havent gone since COVID hit), and the music is still excellent, and I did like all the characters who made reappearances (as a RHOBH fan, it was so cool to see Kyle Richards lol). Cant wait for the third one.

ya I missed the theater too, haven't been since zombieland 2. might go see that ridley Scott shit tomorrow...

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Brutal kills seem to be about the only thing this movie has going for it, and I think I'm just completely past the point of celebrating movies because of that. It just feels mean-spirited and juvenile.

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I enjoyed it, although I'm a little biased since I love the Halloween franchise, and I'll fully concede that it had a number of issues.

I'd probably rank it 5th, after 1, 3, 2, 2018 and 4.

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@Xethuminra

You're seeing things where there's nothing. He wasn't doing 90% of the stuff you're thinking. He wasn't just appearing and shit. He was using doors lol.

Also, it very much matters what the director's intent is. Nothing in the movie shows any supernatural stuff. It's all super stupidity and super luck.

He iterally kicked a car door open that made the chick shoot herself in the face.

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archedsoul posted...

@Xethuminra

You're seeing things where there's nothing. He wasn't doing 90% of the stuff you're thinking. He wasn't just appearing and shit. He was using doors lol.

Also, it very much matters what the director's intent is. Nothing in the movie shows any supernatural stuff. It's all super stupidity and super luck.

He iterally kicked a car door open that made the chick shoot herself in the face.

Right on, pal.

Thats the whole point of Halloween. He does absolutely nothing supernatural, but we say he is supernatural. Michael Myers is like the Batman of slasher villains. He doesnt teleport? But! Being a ninja.... He teleports. Make sense? Also For some reason he cannot die. Seemingly. Idk. Someone cut out his eye and blew off half his hand so.... Idk. Weird right?

@archedsoul

am I missing something here

I think it is laughable that some of you guys watch any kinda slasher film, especially fucking Halloween, and expect the characters to make logical decisions or for it to make perfect sense

It was good for what it was. Lol @ expecting it to be groundbreaking. The shape had some bad ass kills.

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Xethuminra posted...

Right on, pal.

Thats the whole point of Halloween. He does absolutely nothing supernatural, but we say he is supernatural. Michael Myers is like the Batman of slasher villains. He doesnt teleport? But! Being a ninja.... He teleports. Make sense? Also For some reason he cannot die. Seemingly. Idk. Someone cut out his eye and blew off half his hand so.... Idk. Weird right?

@archedsoul

am I missing something here

No, none of that actually makes sense because you have a horrible way of articulating your points. It mostly sounds like nonsense.

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archedsoul posted...

No, none of that actually makes sense because you have a horrible way of articulating your points. It mostly sounds like nonsense.

Okay. So you agree. You just dont agree with me? Well shit, man, that aint nothing new

No, I actually don't know what you're talking about anymore. I made several points and they were just met with some weird troll response.

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I can walk you through it if you need

Batman doesnt have super powers, right?

Did I just watch John Wick?

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@1NfamousACE_2 Its Baba Yaga The Boogie Man

Xethuminra posted...

@1NfamousACE_2 Its Baba Yaga The Boogie Man

My goodness, you're right

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BTW...I just posted this, I've never seen so many dumb decisions individually and collectively by a group ever in a movie

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1NfamousACE_2 posted...

My goodness, you're right

I wish theyd make up their mind about Myers treatment to children. He spares young Lonnie and that baby from the previous film yet has no qualms killing that father and son and now the kid wearing the skull mask. Which is it?